C’est incroyable! Forty-three years after France last won Eurovision with Marie Myriam, the country is enjoying its first win at the Junior Eurovision Song Contest. Valentina — a ray of sunshine who turned the stage into a giant rainbow, illuminated by a playful LED and her infectious smile  — carried a positive message that our imagination can save us even in the darkest of times.

And on Monday morning France’s Head of Delegation Alexandra Redde-Amiel was still overcome by it all as she sat down to speak with French journalist Fabien Randanne for 20minutes.fr.

In the wide-ranging interview, she discussed the eight-month process to get to the win, and made it clear thta Valentina kept the team going through all the uncertainty of recent months. “Valentina — the little sunshine that she is — carried us through this with a pride that she had to represent France,” Alexandra said. “She motivated us, energized us and made us want to fight….Valentina has always been there to say, ‘I’m up for it!’ It’s a beautiful example of winning — to say that nothing is impossible.”

France wants to host Junior Eurovision 2021

Unlike the adult Eurovision, where winning brings the responsibility to host, things are less certain with Junior Eurovision. Italy won Junior Eurovision 2014, but it declined hosting duties — instead, Bulgaria hosted the following year. And Russia won Junior Eurovision in 2017, but Belarus hosted in 2018. Does France want to stage next year’s show, now that it’s won for the first time in its four attempts?

“We are, of course, very keen to host Junior Eurovision in France next year,” Alexandra said, noting that she has support from both the president of the broadcaster and its TV director.

“We will first enjoy the moment and then discuss the possibility with the presidency of Eurovision and the EBU to find out how we can organize the 2021 edition and if it will be possible to do so. You have to speak with them before formalizing anything. But in any case, the wish is there.”

French HoD says that Valentina did NOT sing playback

The pandemic forced producers of Junior Eurovision 2020 to think creatively, resulting in a show that, for the first time, had artists record live performances in home studios. Naturally that’s led to speculation and intrigue online with some users accusing the French team of using playback. 20minutes.fr highlights comments from some Spanish fans in particular, who claimed Valentina’s win wasn’t deserved because of the allegations.

Previously, Valentina, through her official Twitter account, dismissed these allegations.

And on Monday Alexandre was more forceful, explaining that everyone followed the same set of rules. She said:

“Two things. The first: in each competition, there are dissatisfied people who do not want to believe [the result]…The second is that we had guidelines — that is to say a very clear charter saying what to do. Things were not different because we recorded our performance in each of our countries. We were all treated the same way with these documents indicating the number of cameras, the shape of the stage, the shape of the screens, when the performance was to be performed, how many times we could redo the song…Everything was live. Everything has been verified in Poland. Valentina sings live, there is no debate, and she has an absolutely gorgeous voice.”

EBU denies playback allegations to Spain’s RTVE

Over in Spain, RTVE’s Eurovision director has spoken out on the matter. At a press conference concerning their participant Solea, Toñi Prieto said: “Well, we were confused at what was going on both on social media and in the newspapers. So we formally asked the EBU about it. They explicitly told us, the delegations, that all countries were subject to the same controls and that the playback allegations were not true. No playback was used in any performance. The EBU is a big instrument, so Spain won’t push them with this issue. We have to believe what they are telling us.”

“We have followed all EBU guidelines, concerning stage, green rooms, performance… Perhaps some countries differed. If so, the EBU should be transparent about this.”

“That is why we prefer in-place Eurovision rather than one that’s pre-recorded. The same conditions apply when Eurovision is done in-place, and that is how should be.”

Rather pointedly, the Spanish entertainment boss suggested that France’s jury may have deliberately downgraded Soleá, who was considered one of Valentina’s chief rivals. She told reporters: “In my opinion, you won’t give points to your enemies.”

Are you excited that France wants to host Junior Eurovision in 2021? Do you think it’ll go to Paris? Or are we more likely to visit Lyon, Grenoble, Lille, Dijon or Aix-en-Provence? Let us know in the comments box below!

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mawnck
mawnck
1 month ago

Hey Wiwibloggs – This would be REALLY easy to check. You don’t have to take anybody else’s word for it. Here’s what actual journalists would do (or at least have someone else do). If they were really interested in getting at the truth: (1) Load up both the studio version and the live version in some audio software. (2) Sync ’em up. (3) See and hear for yourselves if the vocals are 100% identical or nah. (4) Report your findings to your readers. But of course that would require you to be more interested in reporting the truth, instead of… Read more »

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  mawnck

I also wait for their opinion about this issue since then. Wiwibloggs are a reference in Eurovision. Should do an appreciation of this controversy and point out the fault’s responsabile, like always have done to clarify things in the past.

Last edited 1 month ago by Jose
Vince
Vince
1 month ago
Reply to  mawnck

I agree with you. But you do not need to do that anymore, as it has been done arlready and confirmed that the two audio tapes are 100% similar. In my opinion, there is another possibility: that the live version was streamlined with original sound, and even originally uploaded to/kept on youtube with the original sound, for a while, and then later the audio got replaced with the studio (commercial) version because of minor errors when she sang live (like for example lots of breathing due to continuous choregraphy)… Even in the comments of the youtube videos, some people ask… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Vince
Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  mawnck

I’m wondering… am I a genius or what? I don’t need these tools, when I listen to a song I just memorize every nuance of it. I thought everyone does that, but I just learned that it’s not the case. For people like me, with musical memory, this entire scandal is a sh**show, because we know it was playback and no statements and tweets can change that. For all of you who can’t memorize sounds – do what mawnck says. I hope that will convince you.

Vince
Vince
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

Michu…No need to wonder you are a genius 😉 . The question is not anymore if the audio is the same. It IS the same. It has been confirmed by technics freaks and other geniuses like you. The question for which I would like to have an answer is more when this studio audio was put on the pictures (that we can see today) of the sunday performance. Was ist added by France production, before submitting to EBU? Replaced by EBU before broadcasting on sunday? Through EBU after broadcasting after uploading to Youtube? Still no answer…Again, has anybody recorded the… Read more »

jack
jack
1 month ago

if only spend their energy and time on doing good perfomances and not drama….

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  jack

Yess, you are right, if every country spend their energy on doing LIVE good performances, this controversy will not happen again. It’s EBU’s fault.

Stephanie
Stephanie
1 month ago

I’m no expert but was this truly “live”? I don’t know…. However many congratulations to France!
(so happy that Belgium doesn’t participate anymore. The best decision we ever made!)

Eli
Eli
1 month ago

I’m against the hate that Valentina is getting, but I’m also against the hate that the spanish fans are getting. Yes, there are some that are toxic but I see more comments that hate on Solea and Spain because of the toxic fans. Stop being toxic because others are being toxic, you’re only making it worse. And most of the spanish fans commenting on here are being respectful and are being clear that they are not against Valentina, they are against the use of playback. Also it is not just the spanish fans complaining. And before anyone says I’m biased,… Read more »

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Eli

Spanish fans are too offensive, but they are right. Last year Poland made Viki win by a huge margin (she potentially could win without this support anyway though), and this year France didn’t play fair. Jury voted upside down on purpose and they used playback. I think they only don’t get strong hate for that because it was a kid competition. It’s a very serious violation of international contest’s rules.

Eli
Eli
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

You’re right, I agreed with them both years, although some of the comments were far too extreme. I’m trying to say that most of the comments I see here that are arguing they used playback are doing so respectfully, without making any comments against Valentina or the French fans (who are being just as toxic as the Spanish fans at this point) because it’s the fault of the EBU or the French delegation. People can argue that France didn’t use playback without attacking the other side as well, but that doesn’t seem to be happening. Although obviously this is the… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Eli
Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Eli

I always try to keep the side of whomever I agree with, tone aside. I’ve told it here already, but what I believe is that it’s French delegation’s violation and EBU just allowed that to happen. It shocks me that nobody controlled the process of recording, I was hoping for it to be much better organized. I don’t believe in the stories that EBU decided to put playback over Valentina’s recording. To me it looks like Valentina knew she’s doing a full lip-sync and focuses only on the body language. In worst case, we’re all lied to and there was… Read more »

Laura
Laura
1 month ago

I really don’t think the delegations of France, Belarus and Russia would have risked sending a playback version to the EBU. There were rules: just imagine being disqualified because of not respecting one. There was too much at stake. To me the problem (because there is one) comes from the EBU. Have they done a mistake in mixing the tracks? Consciously or not? Because they were the ones charged to add the vocal track to the instrumental etc, it has been confirmed. So what happened? We should not blame the delegations.

Alex
Alex
1 month ago
Reply to  Laura

Yes, this is the most likely scenario. It’s probably the EBU’s mistake.

Teddie
Teddie
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex

Or maybe, an act of corruption took place. That is of course just a speculation at this point.

Teddie
Teddie
1 month ago

Oh man this does really disgust me 🙁
The question is, who’s to blame? If these “live” versions were greenlit by the EBU technical staff, it means there can’t be any penalties for the national delegations.

EProduc
EProduc
1 month ago

She still would’ve won the contest regardless of the playback, especially hearing her sing it live here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxGaD3xZts, cause she sings beautifully. So it doesn’t really matter but it’s still unfortunate her delegation decided to put the studio track on it or used autotune cause this clip really shows she doesn’t need it.. Whatever, well deserved and congratulations Valentina! People should realize she is just a kid and Russia and Belarus did just the same so it wasn’t like only 1 country is at fault, it’s a bigger issue.

Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago

Some YouTube videos exposing the playback were taken down, but it’s also available on Twitter (and from a French source): https://twitter.com/laidcow/status/1333131757697298433?fbclid=IwAR1M8fACO6SGbc2ZQencs8JPQ-z_-2Nna9717Vhay-bsPYU8dNhxQzaVzmk

Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

Actually superposition video is back with Copyright watermark now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu5OPNT32d8&feature=youtu.be

mawnck
mawnck
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

Aaaaand it’s gone again. A blatant violation of fair use rights. The EBU really doesn’t want you to see that video. Because if at least three countries can get away with it at Junior, they can get away with it in May as well! Frankly, given what we know now, and the EBU’s refusal to do anything about it, anybody who DOESN’T use playback at Eurovision 2021 is crazy. Reminder: The only reason these three countries got caught was because they were dumb enough to use the released studio version. Any countries that used playback, but to a different studio… Read more »

Héctor
Héctor
1 month ago

I don’t know if someone has pointed it out, probably someone did, but at some point during Valentina’s performance you hear her voice without her singing, not even with the mic in her mouth. Pre-recorded backvocals were allowed I think, but those didn’t sound as backvocals if you ask me. Also, they wouldn’t even recognized the playback thing if it was true. I don’t care that much because after all it is a kid contest and not as important as the adult Eurovision. About France’s jury vote there are some irregularities for sure, either it was tactical voting (which I… Read more »

Jose
Jose
1 month ago

The debate is now why France HoD and EBU lie to all Europe. It’s insane. Here it is a great vid explaining the big truth. Russia, Belarus and France did compete with studio versions
https://youtu.be/wu5OPNT32d8

Francois Ortega
Francois Ortega
1 month ago

Alors c’est vrai,
C’est pas toujours la joie
Dans nos cœurs c’est,
Un peu comme un combat
Mais toi demain
Toi tu fais quoi
Imagine avec moi !!!
LALALALA IMAGINE !
Vive Valentina ! Vive la France !
On ne nous empêchera de kiffer notre victoire.

Jose
Jose
1 month ago

https://youtu.be/UaPPWRVzkaQ

Who can deny it? EBU? France HoD? Anyone else?

What a shame!

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Jose

Also idiots in the comments, who need someone to tell them officially if there was playback or not, because they can’t hear it themselves.

Denis
Denis
1 month ago

2020: Emily in Paris
2021: Eurovision in Paris

Nicolas
Nicolas
1 month ago

She sang live just to herself. What we heard was just a pre-recorded or in the best scenario heavily real-time studio processing that today technology permits, making it the same in both cases.
I have a secret to reveal, on every studio recording the singer did sang live at some stage lmao.

jesc123
jesc123
1 month ago

okayy but I overlayed the tracks of belarus’ music video and live performance and there was absolutely no difference, naturally there would be slight shifts but it was the same track..

carlos
carlos
1 month ago

No way did she sing live. You can see when she gets lifted, her mic is by her side and yet her voice is still heard singing. What has eurovision become…. shame

Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago

And here it is, the first videos superposing live performance and studio versions, proving 100% playback was used by France, Russia and Belarus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM52J-iGbnI&feature=emb_title

We knew that, but just sharing a fact-based video for the people who are still denying (including the French HoD who blatantly lied about it).

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

What a pitty! ! The EBU has blocked the video due to copyrights. But don’t worry I checked myself the tracks and I realized the inconvenient truth. They have lied to all of us. That’s unbelievable!

Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago
Reply to  Jose
Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

I’ve seen this video. I personally didn’t need it, because I have a good musical memory, but it could potentially shut all the sheep thinking Valentina was singing live, including some sheep in the comments underneath. It’s not cool that France HoD simply lies about it.

Briekimchi
Briekimchi
1 month ago

Keep it simple and don’t allow the use of any pre-recorded vocals, at all. I have no doubt at all that France completely followed the rules of this year’s contest. I also have no doubt at all that some of the rules are completely stupid.

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Briekimchi

Wiwibloggs, may we have your opinion about this issue? You will clarify things. France was the indisputable winner, but, is it fair that 3 countries have competed doing playback? Not taking in consideration the results, just the fact that EBU allowed this

Last edited 1 month ago by Jose
Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Briekimchi

I agree that no pre-recorded backing vocals should be allowed, but I don’t quite get it why people keep talking about that “lalala” part. The parts where Valentina sings alone without anything in the background are obvious playback as well.

Loin dici
1 month ago

Gosh, you people, I just want her to sing with Valentina Monetta at this moment.

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Loin dici

Good point!

Azaad
Azaad
1 month ago
Reply to  Loin dici

Iconic JESC 2021 interval performance. Duncan, Roksana and Viki who?

Nancy G
Nancy G
1 month ago

First, no one should be cruel to any child. Second, no one should be mean to any competitor for something that may or may not have been done by the adults around them! Third, the EBU should explain the steps it takes to check these playback issues — then people will be less suspicious I think. Let there be PEACE please!!

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Nancy G

The Ebu have already talked about the complaint of Spain, all was regular, it’s done, end.

Alex
Alex
1 month ago

The problem is having as a recording backing vocals the singer’s voice. Then you really don’t know if it’s real live singing or lip sync. It’s the same in Melodifestivalen. They should have other voices as backing vocals and the singer’s voice should be only live, otherwise there will always be controvery imo.

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Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex

Like Alcazar 2014…they didn’t even sing the chorus live. That is when I really started to hate pre-recorded vocals.

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex

Are you aware that the verses, like the bery beginning of the song, are also identical to studio version?

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

The come back of……
Another new theory please please , I need it

Maya G
Maya G
1 month ago

I’m no expert, but to me it sounded nothing like live singing. Too clean and slightly auto-tuned.
I have no horse in this race, it’s just my unbiased impression.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Maya G

Unbiased yeah, of course

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Maya G

Interesting how you got upvoted, but all of us stating it’s playback got massive downvotes. 😀

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

Massive? ?? look at your comments below poor guy

GIOLO
GIOLO
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

I guess we may sound rude to some people, but it is not our intent to offend the kids, is it?

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  GIOLO

Of course not. I said clearly that I love Valentina and her song.

Maya G
Maya G
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

This is interesting, maybe some of them missed the word nothing and mistook me for being on their side?

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Maya G

Haha that’s certainly possible! But the rating changed recently, now comments stating it was playback are upvoted for some reason, hmm… maybe someone downvoted from multiple devices and went away? Not sure.

Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago

That Valentina kid looks absolutely adorable and I think compared to the other contestants, she’s a worthy winner. But let’s not put our head in the sand here: saying there was no playback this year is like saying Poland or Turkey do not get diaspora votes from the televoting. It’s like saying that Romania/Moldova, Russia/Belarus, Sweden/Norway or Greece/Cyprus do not exchange 12 points every year. It’s a waste of energy trying to deny something so obvious that everybody already knows it. I would find it more useful to learn from this experience and not repeat this mistake for future contests… Read more »

Julia
Julia
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

What nonsence you talk about. It’s not fair, that France sang from playback (and sang 100% from playback) and other kids sang live.

James
James
1 month ago
Reply to  Julia

You’re hating on a child.

Julia
Julia
1 month ago
Reply to  James

I’m not hating. I’m just telling the truth. It’snot fair, that some kids put a lot of work into it all,such a Solea, who sang anddances at the same time. And Valentine just move her lips and smiled . I’s very unfait to other children.

Vince
Vince
1 month ago
Reply to  Julia

Please check all her reherseal videos and vocal coaching sessions videos, she definitely is able to sing this song live. Additionnaly she has been touring for months as part of a band for children Kid Reunited and they do get good singing coaching and od sing live on stage. I personnaly think the sound Engineers at EBU covered the original live sound they received afterwards, or once they uploaded it onto youtube, with the studio version. I do not know what is the reason for it, maybe a mistake, maybe a request of french artistic directors to replace it with… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Vince
Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

Also just adding that talking about this issue does not question France’s win at all, since several countries resorted to playback. Winner or not, this is not the issue at stake here.

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

Agree

GIOLO
GIOLO
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

Don’t agree with Polish diaspors votes. Yes, a couple of countries really help Poland,maybe even more,but Poland substantially send songs that are more televoting-friendly, like 2014, 2016 and 2019

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

As a Polish person I can tell you this: I am 100% sure that you are RIGHT about Polish diaspora votes. I mean, it’s not even diaspora for JESC, because you can vote inside your country. There was a huge hype for Viki in Poland. Is it fair? Probably not. Is that evil? Nope. I’m sure there was a huge hype for Valentina in France this year, or even voting bots. The difference was just too much between her and the second televoting place.

Life is brutal
Life is brutal
1 month ago
Experts spoke about it and everyone agreed that the playback was 100 percent. You have to be deaf not to hear it.
Last edited 1 month ago by Life is brutal
Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago

Of course the Ebu was fooled, the jury was fooled, the public was fooled, I repeat in the jury there are musical experts BUT of course the spaniards and a bunch of sore losers and conspirators think they are the best, they are better than the people who have judged and better than the people who have checked everything, congratulations ! I want to know your secret……let me guess…….. I get it you are some big IDIOTS. Of course Spain was completely clean and the others not that’s the only reason why Spain has lost, lol OMG. And now even… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Esc addict
Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Why does this have to be about Spain? I’m not Spanish and have 0 relation to Spain, I still think something went really wrong with playback this year. Also this does not question France’s win since there was the same issue with a lot of countries (at least Russia and Belarus, maybe more).

There’s people coming from a ton of different countries here, and they’re all commenting the same thing. Focus on the message, not on the messenger. That’s always a better use of one’s time.

Last edited 1 month ago by Agumon
Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

From which countries please? Spain Poland and Frisian Esc the dutch patriot, weird…..
So so credible…..
95 % of the people os happy but of course it remains 5% of sore losers as always.

Last edited 1 month ago by Esc addict
Agumon
Agumon
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

This will be my last comment cause I can see this will be a useless conversation (for starters I literally just told you to focus on the message and not the messenger, and yet your first instinct is to call out alleged messengers/countries). But what data is your comment based on? How can you tell there’s only “Spain Poland and Frisian Esc the dutch patriot” commenting? And where are these 95/5 numbers coming from? I’m not happy or unhappy, as I really have no horse in this race. Just a random dude who watched the performances and doesn’t want playback… Read more »

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

What’s your data to say she didn’t sing live?
And yeah the messengers are even more important than the messages here, do you see the Hod of Kazakhstan Ukraine Russia Germany Malta to complain for example no, have you seen tweets or comments like that from people from these countries as from Spain for example, no, not a coincidence……
So the messages are not credible and also because we all know Spain never accept to lose it’s like that.

Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Agumon

I totally agree. I have decided to give up

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

1. Around 30 very heated up comments you have written under this article. Maybe you are the one being toxic and obsessed here? 2. Until now I haven’t even commented under this article yet. Why are you even mentioning my name? 3. I love angelina and I totally believe she created a live performance. My ears can hear these are not live vocals in the final version though. The fact I care about that isn’t because i’m salty of France winning. But because i don’t like the contest moving into that direction. 4. LMAO at the Dutch patriot part. My… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by Frisian esc
Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

Yeah when dusgusting and vicious people are trying to ruin the victory of a little girl I’m here and I would write even 30 more comments here if it’s necessary. No problem “you can always count on me”

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Haha, because your comments just breathe such a celebratory atmosphere. I wasn’t even going to write any comments about it anymore because i made my point.
Are you the guy who used to call himself dolu symon on this website? Because you have the exact same writing style and you gave me A LOT of personal attacks last year. + you called out my name on your twitter account and random eurovision related youtube videos which was weird… extremely weird.

Last edited 1 month ago by Frisian esc
Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

Yeah yeah I assume I mean I don’t like you for reasons and even more now but of course you only remember the effects and not the causes, typical. But you got what you spread, remember. And weirdly who is again here acting the same way….. I made my point too.

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

What point? You never went in on my arguments then and you don’t do so now + you make up scenario’s of things i’ve never said or done and posting them under multiple identities on social media and a internet fanblog. What that says about you, you can imagine yourself.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

A scenario !? Wtf yeah you have definetely mental issues, what are you creating to make believe you are a poor victim of the mean esc addict…the same way you create and spread things against a kid….#paranoia
Since many months and years I don’t like you and it won’t change trust me.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

I won’t argue on arguments based on emptiness, I won’t argue on delusional things which where already denied by all the persons involved, delegation, singer, producers, Ebu, now keep crying as always it will change nothing.

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Your pseudo suits you very well. Addict… way too much addict I would say. Just calm down and understand the comment with your brain before calling everyone sore losers. Most of the people who are thinking that it was playback remain kind to Valentina because most of them still love her. Nobody here is saying that France is not the real winner, we’re just pointing the fact that it wasn’t live and it’s not really fair. In fact, almost everybody here is polite except you! I’m from Belgium, I voted for France on Friday night but I don’t like what… Read more »

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago

Yeah thank you for my pseudo I know it’s perfect for me. Not so extremist you know, compared of what can I see here. But anyway what’s your point? Why do you feel so much offended by my comment? Of course people who doesn’t accept to lose are sore losers and you are defending them!? The Ebu has clarified the thing no playback for the singers voices only for the backing vocals so don’t be afraid for your future beloved contest it will be perfect as was jesc 2020, I don’t see why you complain.

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Sandra
Sandra
1 month ago

Well I guess except for that lady in the ukrainian x factor, Angelina is the first singer in the world who can sing exactly the same as in the studio version. Congrats to her 😀

xxc
xxc
1 month ago

poor girl

jan
jan
1 month ago

i saw so many nasty comments from spanish people towards valentina on twitter. They even said she looks like a bully. Unbelievable. T

Nils
Nils
1 month ago

This sounds like playback to 100%. Did not watched the show because it was almost clear something like that will happen.

We only have to hope that the pre recorded background vocal will not be louder as the singer. But since Martin is from Sweden I have no doubts that we will have performances like “Vem e som os” and “Norsken” with almost no live in chorus next years in Eurovision aswell, sad 🙁

Linus
Linus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

Actually you are wrong. In Sweden we have live voices but in the chorus back up sound are allowed like in JESC. And Dont blame Martin and Christer for everything that is wrong in your life. Dont name drop them all the time.

Nils
Nils
1 month ago
Reply to  Linus

I never blamed anybody for “everything that is wrong in [my] life”. I just critize/ fear that ESC will lose his heart by withdrawing live voices, and I am not alone at this case. Furthermore, I actually like the Swedish influecence in Eurovision and I do respect Martin and Christer, they did a good job almost always. But sometimes (not always!)the pre recorded backing vocals are too loud and you dont hear live voices (Everyday, Vamos Amigos in chorus).

Linus
Linus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

sorry. yeah but for example Mendez who dont sound good live. He should be very happy he have help in the chorus. I like live song ofc the most but it gives songs more power in Melfest with allowed chorus sound. But in ESC i dont want it. Its not 100% good either. Sweden in 2009 and 2018 did not sound super great in ESC. Malena could not have 100 voices there on stage

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

But there were no background vocals in the verses part and she still sounds identical to the studio version. I have no doubts they just played a studio version during her performance. The real question is: why?

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

Lol unplug this guy quickly he is sick and yeah about this I have no doubts.

Sal
Sal
1 month ago

Ofc it’s the Spaniards fanning the flames of these rumours xD

Nate
Nate
1 month ago

The main focus should be on the French jury and not poor Valentina… what’s the point of the jury if they only ote strategically?

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Nate

What’s your point Serbia didn’t deserve 12 points? So disrespecful, Ukraine didn’t deserve votes, Germany too what a lack of respect toward these countries to think that

GIOLO
GIOLO
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

I know I am gonna ve downvoted, but I think Germany had the weakest package in the competition. However Susan put her soul in what other people wrote for her and no way she deserved ro be under The Playback Trinity. Petar had not the strongest song, but he is so sweet and chsrismatic, loved the performance, even if I was not a fan of that stage. Oleksander was amazing live, the song was even more niche with the key changes and the stage did justice to the song. I was disappointed he was only 7th with the juries because… Read more »

Linus
Linus
1 month ago

After investigation on instagrams and audio without music. I feel that France, Belarus, Russia sang 100% live. They are REALLY good singers at this age. I feel thats why we ask.

Joe
Joe
1 month ago
Reply to  Linus

Precisely! I get that the prerecorded aspect makes people naturally suspicious, but some people just sing well. I’d bet anything that if 2018 was done the same way, we would be speculating about Elina Nechayeva too.

Linus
Linus
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

The spanish fan are famous for being bad loosers before so i am not suprised they behave badly this year to. They always behave badly.

Giolo
Giolo
1 month ago
Reply to  Linus

may you post some links, Linus?

Thank you

Marionette
Marionette
1 month ago

I have no doubts about that that Valentina sang alive.

I also have no doubts about that that the French Broadcaster played the studio version over her live vocals.

Asaf Rokni
Asaf Rokni
1 month ago
Reply to  Marionette

EXACTLY! I actually compared both the tracks (yes, I am extremely bored) – they are IDENTICAL. Seriously it is ridiculous to deny that this is playback. You can see in the middle of the song, Valentina stops singing but her voice keeps on playing.

I don’t think the blame and the anger should be aimed at Valentina. But I think that something needs to be done.

Vince
Vince
1 month ago
Reply to  Marionette

Agree with you. She sang live when recording. Possibly it was even broadcasted live with that original live version (did not see it). And then some silly producers decided it was better to replace the audio with the studio version. crazy. Some people even noticed that, and wrote it under the official EBU video of the winner. Complete nonsense action to replace the audio.

Look at rehearsals work, 11 first seconds especially convincing, voice is much to loud compared to accompagnement, she did sing live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlkL-F6JPAc

Anonimous
Anonimous
1 month ago

Valentina = Playback

CyxCy
CyxCy
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonimous

Anonimous = Stupid

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago

So these spanish people are insinuating that a kid of 11 years old, already a professional singer, who has already done many many concerts in big arenas, is not able to sing perfectly a song IN LIVE…….but they have small brains or what… #BiggestSoreLosers #WorstEurofans #DisgustingPeople
Spain can wait for a very very very long time now to get a single vote from me.

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Jose
Jose
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

You are wrong, we are insinuating that EBU didn’t do the right thing, allowing this inappropriate procedure of France, Belarus and Russia’s performances. I do think the girl can sing really really well and maybe she should have won as well singing live but, before settling prejudices against spanish people you should try to listen the official video at the same time than her ‘live’ performance’. It’s identical 100%. And do the same thing with for example Georgia or Malta where you can listen to the differences, but not even a single little difference with Valentina performance, not even a… Read more »

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Jose

Allowing what!? To who? Ok some people are becoming totally crazy….
And it’s not “maybe she should have won” but she has WON fair and square with 112 points from online voting and being 1st with the jury, what’s your problem ?

Ernest
Ernest
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

ESC addict you are vomitive

Jose
Jose
1 month ago

Oh really, William? Try to Listen the official video at the same time than her ‘live’ performance’. It’s identical 100%. And do the same thing with for example Georgia or Malta you can listen to the differences, but not even a single little difference with Valentina performance, In fact I bet you can not distinguish them, kinda strange, right? Again, we are not stupids EBU.

Lucie
Lucie
1 month ago

This is why I want a live event in one place for the adult Eurovision. Some countries will overuse their pre-recorded vocals or will use a non-live take of the act. I want to see artists live on real time with nerves. That’s what makes it exciting.

Jacob S
Jacob S
1 month ago

I feel bad for her because she probably did sing live, but some technical mistake happened that they did have to put some form of playback on the live 100%!

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Jacob S

I have another theory. I think she doesn’t sing live in this clip (because her lips match the studio version perfectly), but I can’t accuse a child of lying, so I suppose they had another clip recorded, which for some reason hasn’t been used. Arina from Belarus also didn’t sing live in the clip they’ve sent, because she’s too nonchalant about the distance from the microphone. It looks like a staging test video.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

OMG “another theory” , that shows you are not even sure of yourself so you are here only really to spread your negativity and your crazy theories, I call that a conspirator……. lol be careful THEY are watching us .

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Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Logic is not your thing, is it? I have a full right to have a THEORY about WHY it happened, because I don’t know why. But at least I can hear when someone is singing live and you are just a sad puppy, who believes whatever TV says, without your own cognition.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

How Poland can create people like that…..

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Jacob S

Wrong….. simply wrong, I would love to know where you got this fake news again……

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago

Spain is weird with their complaints each times they lose, last year Viki, this year Valentina, are they ok? If you don’t accept to lose don’t compete and honestly it will give us a break from these useless crazyness brought by you each times.

kjhj
kjhj
1 month ago

why did she sing playback? poland organized actually another amazing show

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago

Pascal wilfer the wanna be youtuber, childish as hell and Michu the sore polish loser ……OUT

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Yeah, I’m such a loser for wishing all kids a fair competition, evil me!

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

It was square and fair, no debate, the Ebu has talked, the jury has talked, the public has talked, what do you want more, enjoy this magical performance, congratulate Valentina and get a life.

Pascal
Pascal
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

Stop insulting people here in the comment section. It’s very out of place.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago

My view on the subject: 1) Valentina can sing live and there’s no doubt – she’s no stranger to singing and performing and any decision about playback was probably done by the adults, so leave her alone… Plus, she won both jury votes and online voting so yea, she’s a definite winner 2) They would never confirm whether they used playback or not, so there’s no use in trying… 3) The French jury vote was definitely suspicious… They gave their most points to the weaker entries and put Spain in their last place, that’s super fishy 4) I wish France… Read more »

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

5) Those claims about playback don’t only go to France but also towards Belarus and Russia, so I would like to hear from their delegations too

Whisker
Whisker
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

I suspected playback *during* the performance for Belarus, Russia AND the Netherlands.

Pascal
Pascal
1 month ago
Reply to  Whisker

Here’s my video proof of Belarus, Russia and France using playback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM52J-iGbnI

eurofan
eurofan
1 month ago
Reply to  Whisker

not the Netherlands, you can hear quite a bit of differences like the doors shutting, Mauds voice because its deeper, etc

Una
Una
1 month ago

Is it the same lady who said she (they) didn’t know why Spain got such different results for JESC and ESC? Sorry, I don’t believe a word from the word salad about France.
Valentina at 11 is more clear and articulate.

FanESC
FanESC
1 month ago
Reply to  Una

I don’t think. Alexandra is the french HoD and I’ve followed a lot what she sayd during the last months and I don’t think she has ever said that (but I might be wrong, too).

Una
Una
1 month ago
Reply to  FanESC

I was talking about the Spanish HoD … Wiwi published an article on Spain quite recently … 11th November … An eye opener …

xelx
xelx
1 month ago
Reply to  Una

Toñi Prieto, she’s not the HoD, she’s TVE’s Head of Entertainment. She’s clueless about most things ESC-related. You can tell she’s not very keen on ESC and JESC in general. I wouldn’t read too much on anything she says.

Spanish HoD since 2017 is Ana María Bordás, who is more professional and is at least trying things despite her bosses’ antics. She pushed for Spain returning to JESC.

Una
Una
1 month ago
Reply to  xelx

Ay perdon. I got confused and took the head of entertainment for the head of delegation. Mil disculpas.
Anyways the one that talked bad about France is not credible to me at all. France won. It’s great. I feel for Blas.

xelx
xelx
1 month ago
Reply to  Una

No need to apologize 😉 Toñi Prieto the Head of Entertainment is the one who spoke today at a press conference. Don’t think she has a real interest on disputing France’s victory, she’s not interested in Spain winning, having to host is most probably a nightmare scenario for her (because of the extra work). They asked EBU about the playback allegation because she knew she would get questions (mostly people running sites who want clickbait for fans) at the press conference, and she only wants to save fave, because she usually gets questioned about TVE’s poor decisions on staging and… Read more »

Una
Una
1 month ago
Reply to  xelx

Aww, muchas gracias for your kind explanations 🙂

Denis
Denis
1 month ago

Isn’t this the same procedure every year? This country accuses this country of something this country wants to count all the votes again. The winner will always be questioned no matter what.,
What is this, Donald Trump? Let the girl and France be happy and move on!

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
1 month ago

I loved the song too and I wanted to see it winning but we can’t deny it was playback (same for Belarus that was my 3rd favorite). And perhaps Valentina sang live, yeah… but if 95% of what we heard was studio then we don’t care of the 5% remaining. And once again I’m happy that this song won but it wasn’t fair for the others. Plus, I’m sure Valentina is very talented but it prooved that France Télévision doesn’t believe in it’s artist or simply that they wanted to win so bad that they forgot what matters. And the… Read more »

one
one
1 month ago

chorus are allowed this year to be in playback. only second voices were in playback. main vocal line melody were sang live. Belarus is another thing, but valentine did it live

Michu
Michu
1 month ago

I have given up explaining. Cheating and ignorance won this time. You will get downvoted for your comment. Small correction: it was 0%, not 5% that was live for Valentina. But yeah – the majority will stay in a bubble of “if someone is a great singer, they sound like it was a studio version”. Alternative reality for me, idiocracy at its finest.

Pascal
Pascal
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

At least some people like you are smart enough to realize that France, Russia and Belarus were 100% playback. Of course they‘re denying it. There is enough proof that it was playback. I‘ll upload a video to proof so on my YouTube channel.

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Pascal

I don’t think your videos will prove anything to these dumbos. They’ll keep saying that “she’s just an amazing singer” XDDD

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Pascal

Yeah wilfer from youtube, pathetic everywhere as we can see, omg you have like 20 years old and you act like a sore loser child, that’s insane. Your useless video shows nothing and you want only ruin the Valentina’s victory with your stupidity, shame on u,

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Pascal
Pascal
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

First of all insulting people here is very out of place here. No one insulted you and so you should not treat other people like that. I did a totally objective video analyzing the songs and proving that they’re not live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM52J-iGbnI Please treat people here just the way you want to be treated too.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

Michu the toxicity as its finest. The aim of this guy is to bring toxicity and to try to ruin the deserved victory of a talented little girl, so disgusting …..

Michu
Michu
1 month ago
Reply to  Esc addict

So I’m toxic with telling the truth, but winning a singing contest by using studio version is not toxic? I’m sure all these other kids (except France, Belarus and Russia) and delighted to lose with a PLAYBACK.

Esc addict
Esc addict
1 month ago
Reply to  Michu

Fake news

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
1 month ago

Just so everyone understand my feelings behind those words. I’m not trying to convince anyone of what is true or not. Everyone has its own reality and it’s difficult to change the mind of others without indisputables proof. Also I’m not saying that France shouldn’t have won. I like the song and the singer. I’m just disappointed in what was shown. It didn’t seem fair to me and I feel like France Télévision (or whoever edit the video) didn’t believe in the talent of Valentina or respect her work. PS: I voted for France when the lines were open on… Read more »

Mikey
Mikey
1 month ago

Please dont generalise. Im spanish and i never said that, i LOVE her she was my winner.

jason
jason
1 month ago

Congrats to Valentina and France for winning! Happy for them finally gaining a victory in an ESC event and can’t wait for their follow-up NF in January 🙂

Oh and y’all Spaniards can keep staying pressed and don’t even think of attacking a 11-year-old girl just to change something which has already been set, that’s all I’m going to say.

Joe
Joe
1 month ago

In any case, the majority of viewing numbers were incredible, from what’s been released. Poland’s continued dedication to the contest has paid off, as they got the largest viewing numbers for a single audience in the history of the contest (an average of 6 MILLION viewers!). Strong numbers in Spain, France, the Netherlands, and (the happiest news for me) Germany as well. People wanted some Eurovision, and by golly, they tuned in!

xelx
xelx
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

The number in Spain is not considered strong by any means, it lost almost a third of the viewers from 2019, and the 2019 number was already not satisfying for RTVE. The 2020 Contest got 272k less viewers than the cheap German TV movie that aired just before, the kind of content that airs on La 1 on that timeslot. France’s number is similarly poor, in that timeslot France 2 got less viewers than TF1, France 3 (their sister channel) and M6, despite winning. Won’t comment on Dutch and German numbers since JESC aired on kids channels instead of the… Read more »

xelx
xelx
1 month ago
Reply to  xelx

Real headlines about the viewing figures in Spain:

Vertele (eldiario.es): “Escaso seguimiento a Soleá (7.4%) en TVE en su camino al podio de Eurovisión Junior 2020” (Poor following for Soleá (7,4%) on TVE on her way to the Junior Eurovision 2020 podium)
Bluper (El Español): “‘Eurovisión Junior’ se hunde en TVE al perder 400.000 espectadores” (Eurovision Junior plummets on TVE as it loses 400k viewers)

Eurovision-Spain.com: “Eurovisión Junior 2020 registra un discreto 7,4% de audiencia con 1.082.000 espectadores” (Junior Eurovision 2020 meets a modest viewing figure of 7.4% with 1,082,000 viewers)

Joe
Joe
1 month ago
Reply to  xelx

Satisfying or not, apparently they’re still set to compete in 2021. Still getting those results, and there’s at least some potential for building an audience. France is still readjusting to Junior Eurovision. The recognition for their entries usually comes in the aftermath of the contest (like how “Bim Bam Toi” became a TikTok hit a couple months after the contest). And exactly! The numbers are gonna be skewed cuz they’re kid-oriented programs on non-kid-oriented channels in bigger countries (and even then, look at Poland: they’re not a small country and their numbers are bonkers). For what they are, when they… Read more »

xelx
xelx
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

Social media engagement and web visits from a very engaged fanbase (of mostly over 30 ESC fans) are probably satisfying enough for now. But don’t be surprised if RTVE withdraws any other year, despite good results in the competition.

James
James
1 month ago
Reply to  xelx

Depends. Late Sunday afternoon timeslots tend to not be competitive, depending on every TV market, thus viewing patterns tend to be low at average.

Me!
Me!
1 month ago

I think this JESC win might get some enthusiasm in France about Eurovision

Joe
Joe
1 month ago

See? France just did their thing! Valentina’s just a really good performer and the Spanish are making much ado out of nothing. (And if France was a strategic voter the last two years, in both cases when they were also among the favorites, maybe they wouldn’t have given 12 points to Poland in 2018 and put three of the four songs that put them in fifth place as their top three in 2019?). In the end, this was the kick in the butt they needed. I feel like they probably would’ve gotten a disappointing result with Tom Leeb (we’ll never… Read more »

Joe
Joe
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

Be more like Spain in 1979 (graceful losers) and less like Span in 1995 (not-so-graceful losers).

Joe
Joe
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

You don’t see Kazakhstan raising a fuss, that’s all I’m saying, and they have way more to prove with Junior Eurovision than Spain does.

NickC
NickC
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

why would spain 1995 was not so graceful losers? Genuine question. I know nothing.

Joseph Mendy
Joseph Mendy
1 month ago
Reply to  Joe

France’s victory in JESC yesterday shows that they can do it. They just need to be bold & believe in themselves and of course the artist, as well as picking the right combo of song and artist.