The controversy surrounding the Benidorm Fest 2022 voting results has already been discussed in the Spanish Congress and by the government. Now, following calls for greater transparency from broadcaster RTVE, the full results of Benidorm Fest have been revealed.

They confirm that Tanxugueiras won the televote in a landslide, securing 71% of all votes — putting the Galician artists well ahead of Rigoberta (18%) and eventual winner Chanel (4%). The result was so lopsided that no other artists managed to secure more than around 2% of the public vote.

Benidorm Fest 2022 full results: Jury, televote and demoscopic poll

Public vote (25% of overall vote)

  1. Tanxugueiras: 70.75%
  2. Rigoberta: 18.08%
  3. Chanel: 3.97%
  4. Varry Brava: 2.26%
  5. Rayden: 2.12%
  6. Blanca Paloma: 1.04%
  7. Xeinn: 1.01%
  8. Gonzalo Hermida: 0.76%

Demoscopic vote (25%)

A total of 433 people sat on the demoscopic jury. This jury consisted of people selected to be representative of the Spanish TV-viewing population.
 
Interestingly, the results of this vote are far closer with around one percentage point separating the Top 3 acts. Some have suggested that Galicians voters turned up and turned out in the public vote. But, owing to the more even spread of demoscopic participants across the country, we don’t see the same lop-sided result.
 
  1. Tanxugueiras: 14.59%
  2. Chanel: 13.88%
  3. Rigoberta Bandini: 13.52%
  4. Gonzalo Hermida: 12.62%
  5. Rayden: 12.17%
  6. Varry Brava: 11.39%
  7. Blanca Paloma: 10.92%
  8. Xeinn: 10.92%

Jury Vote (50%)

RTVE listed the jury results by juror number and they are not connecting any judge with an identity. The broadcaster argues — as it mentioned in the beginning of the process — that the jury vote will remain anonymous. This is to safeguard the jury’s freedom and personal integrity.

RTVE is well-aware of the death threats that have been levelled against jurors in the past (and not just in Spain…) and will keep their names secret to protect their safety. 

Judge 1: 

 
12 Rigoberta 
10 Tanxugueiras
8 Rayden
7 Chanel
 
 
Judge 2:
 
12 Chanel
10 Rayden
8 Rigoberta
7 Tanxugueiras
 
Judge 3: 
 
12 Chanel
10 Xeinn
8 Blanca Paloma
7 Rayden
 
Judge 4: 
 
12 Blanca Paloma
10 Rigoberta
8 Chanel
7 Tanxugueiras
 
 
Judge 5: 
 
12 Chanel
10 Rigoberta
8 Blanca Paloma
7 Xeinn
 
As you can see, only one juror ranked Tanxugueiras in the Top 3, awarding them 10 points. Chanel, meanwhile, earned three sets of douze points. 
 
Blanca Paloma and Rigoberta earned the other two sets of 12.
 
RTVE has called on the public to accept the result. It will hold public discussions to assess ways that the festival and indeed the voting system can be reformed and improved moving forward.
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George
George
2 years ago

Chanel was by far and away the more polished act. I don’t know how some Spaniards can see it differently!?

funkerman
funkerman
2 years ago

probably the only time I will say this but thank god for the jury. What on earth are the public in Spain thinking ? it’s not 1980 anymore.

Nick
Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  funkerman

Totally agree

Ana
Ana
2 years ago

Netta lost the popular voting and came only second during the national final. If it was up to the public she would never go to Eurovision. Just saying.

Wrath
Wrath
2 years ago
Reply to  Ana

It’s easy to buy juries when you have banks and lobbies and Israel has plenty of those.

Ana
Ana
2 years ago
Reply to  Wrath

I’m talking about the national final in Israel, not the Eurovision final you poor little dumb*ss. Netta won the popular voting during the ESC final, not the jury vote. There is a word for people who claim that the Jews control all the banks and finances, could someone please to remind me that word?

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Ana

salvador sobral too… he was 2nd in televoting at fdc. it’s time for eurofans to accept that when there’s a mixed system, the public’s favorite might lose. this was all revealed beforehand.

Ethan1994
Ethan1994
2 years ago

It get’s better. He came 2nd in the televote in the FdC final, but in the semi final, he came 3rd in the televote.

JmaryP
JmaryP
2 years ago
Reply to  Ana

Yes, but if it were just for the jury Netta would never have won ESC2018. Austria was the favorite of the jury, followed by Germany. It was because of the public that she won

Last edited 2 years ago by JmaryP
vetrina
vetrina
2 years ago

All I know is that this year, Chanel will have the best result for Spain in years! Her performance is …fuego!

Amaan Storm
Amaan Storm
1 year ago
Reply to  vetrina

All those downvotes didn’t age well! @Vetrina, you were so right!

Yush
Yush
2 years ago

All I can see is that Spain’s public really want to get 0 points. Like wtf??? Ay Mama???? What was that horrendous staging? it felt like a joke. Second of all IF YOU WANT TO SEND A SONG WITH A MESSAGE, THEN SEND A SONG IN ENGLISH SO EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND. In addition, Why the HELLL are you obsessed with Terra? like one of the members clearly doesn’t feel comfortable on stage… not talking about the absolute obnoxious staging… too many things going there. Then the GODDESS Chanel, comes in with a banger and an unforgettable, spectacular, marvelous, jaw dropping… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Yush
JmaryP
JmaryP
2 years ago
Reply to  Yush

Yes, because we all remember the “Englishness” of Salvador Sobral’s Amar Pelos Dois (that song which earned the most points of the history of the ESC) and of course its staging which can be defined as jaw-dropping, spectacular and marvelous. I can’t help but to remember him flying over the 4 dancers that were making out-of-this-world stunts while he was singing over a pre-recorded chorus.

Anna SmiT
Anna SmiT
2 years ago
Reply to  JmaryP

And dont forget to remember the Englishness of Zitti e buoni, Voila, Tout l’universe and Shum that made Top 5 last year.

funkerman
funkerman
2 years ago
Reply to  JmaryP

terra was sh*t, whether you consider it to be original Spanish sh*t or not.

Nick
Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Yush

Totally agree. Let them cry. Haters gonna hate. The fact that Galicians voted for this group massively doesn’t mean it’s the best song.

Mary M.
Mary M.
2 years ago

And they keep going … this topic is tiring already. Las night locals were praising the single juror that gave 12 points to Rigoberta Bandini because apparently, they were the only person with “taste” … listen, I love the lyrics to “Ay Mama” but the staging was questionable, specially after seeing Chanel, Rayden, or Blanca Paloma for example. I have even seen journalists this morning literally attacking the choice of Chanel because “the televote is the 50% and Tanxugueiras won” when that is not correct, they are not even talking about the demoscopic where she was literally second, and the… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Mary M.
Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago

btw when here in italy mahmood won sanremo despite being 8th(!!!) in televote no one but right-wing nuts complained and even that lasted for a couple of days and then they got over it… soldi broke the record for the most daily streams and it became one of the biggest hits of 2019. spaniards are truly being embarrassing by dragging this on for so long, televote favorites lose national finals all the time but they’re the only ones being like this.

Vale
Vale
2 years ago

It is a different thing. The jury had 33% impact and they were more than 5 people, not involved with EBU and also they weren”t from Austria and Iceland, like the ones in Spain

okanial
okanial
2 years ago
Reply to  Vale

International jury is not a bad thing, they are impartial, they don’t vote to songs because of cultural reasons but for what would have the best chance to win.

Vale
Vale
2 years ago
Reply to  okanial

International jury impartial? Are you realising they were people involved with EBU? ‘Don’t vote to songs because of cultural reasons’? Eurovision has to do exactly that. Each country brings its own identity.

Last edited 2 years ago by Vale
Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Vale

“televote favorites lose national finals all the time but they’re the only ones being like this”. what i said remains valid. y’all need to stop being such losers gosh

Vale
Vale
2 years ago

Sanremo Festival doesn’t have just televote and you know very well. Inoltre modera i termini, evitando di definire quelli che non la pensano come te ‘losers’.

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Vale

ok maestrina

Chris
Chris
2 years ago

Because also the point system was different. They were adding the percentages of the vote, how many people or jurors were voting for you it mattered for the final results…

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago

all contestants have accepted the results so i don’t see the point in this extended whining. the juries just did their job and voted for the best package. i disagree with this voting method and i think televote should be proportional, but what’s done is done and if people keep whining spain might find itself without a representative at all this year.

Liis
Liis
2 years ago

There should be a rule that when the public votes with this amount of certainty then it counts for etc. 50%. I like SloMo, but seeing those numbers I see why people are bitter over her win.

Efraim
Efraim
2 years ago

So… I already said this in an individual reply, but I keep seeing people crapping all over the jury because of being ‘not musicians’. But the hard fact of it is, even if the word ‘song’ is in the name, Eurovision at this point is a performance contest. And so is Benidorm Fest. It’s not just about writing the song and/or singing it, you have to put together a performance for television, and that requires a team. A team that could very plausibly include a stage director (check), a choreographer (check), a vocal coach to keep the singer’s voice in… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Efraim
Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago

The public vote corresponds practically to the 4 polls.

1.-“Los 40Principales” (closed 24/01/22): Terra 78.30%; Ay Mama 13.31%; SloMo 0.81%. (43,352 votes).

2.- “VerTele” (closed 24/01/22): Terra 62%; Ay Mama 20%; SloMo 2%. (36,500 votes).

3.- “ESCplus Spain” (closed 28/01/22):Terra 17,618 votes; Ay Mama 12,361 votes; SloMo 8,332 votes.

4.- “Eurovision World” (day 26/01/22): Terra 56%; Ay Mama 16%; SloMo 2%. (30,811 votes).

All YouTube simulations (Say Eurovision!; PlatinSam; ESC Matthew; ESC Silver; Eurofavourite; ESC Ryan) were favorable to Terra, always ranking first.

Last edited 2 years ago by Xabier de Nóvoa
Aria
Aria
2 years ago

this looks really bad.

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
2 years ago

Credit to RTVE for the transparency. A 71% voting landslide is difficult to hide. It’s also difficult to explain, mathematically. It can’t be only due to Galicia’s 2.7 million people (roughly) when Spain has over 46 million. The maths don’t add up. So either Spanish viewers all really did genuinely like Tanxugeiras or there was an error, or something else. The Demoscopic results are evidently the most balanced of the three. All very interesting.

Azaad
Azaad
2 years ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

I doubt that all 46 million Spaniards voted. It could be that Galicians who usually aren’t into Eurovision tuned in to watch and support a Galician act that had a serious chance of winning.

Maes
Maes
2 years ago
Reply to  Azaad

Precisamente los gallegos tuvimos problemas para votar tanto el la semifinal como en la final. No pudimos enviar sms porque R una compañia de telecomunicaciones con muchos clientes en Galicia no lo permitió, yo personalmente he tenido que llamar 22 veces antes para poder contabilizar una llamada .HAN VOTADO DE TODA EsPaÑA A Las TAXuGuEIRAS.

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

it was revealed that 196,000 televotes were cast

gea
gea
2 years ago

That is a very low number of votes for such a big country so votes from Galicia (depsite it is less than 3 million people living there) could be quite dominant in televote segment and can explain this huge percentage for “Terra”.
I understand the power of 5 people in jury versus thousands of televoters on the other side is probably not good, but having one Spanish region having such a huge impact on overall televote results is not good either.

Adrián
Adrián
2 years ago
Reply to  gea

The results of the televote can be skewed fairly easy by a rather small number of people voting several times, something that can’t be done with demoscopic voting, where each person can only vote once.
In Galicia the Final had share of 49.5% (this means that half of the people watching tv in Galicia were watching Benidorm Fest), while in the rest of Spain the share was around 20-25%. It’s pretty obvious the televote was skewed by a lot of Galicians voting in mass and multiple times.

Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
2 years ago

As much as this whole thing has been an absolute trainwreck, I am overall very impressed with the team behind Benidorm Fest. Maria Eizaguirre (RTVE comms boss) sat down today in front of the press for almost two hours and answered every single question that was posed to her. Don’t remember anything like that ever happening after the absolutely scandalous selection process for ESC 2017, so kudos to her. The overall impression I get is that they do seem really committed to the format and proud of the festival. Only time will tell if they make good on their promises… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
Ivan
Ivan
2 years ago

Highest points from jurors for Xeinn are obviously from 2 international jurors. One more time I wonder why jury ranks Eastern European and traditional flavoured songs so low and mainstream pop high. Can someone explain me?

Pearli
Pearli
2 years ago
Reply to  Ivan

Jurors are usually music producers or DJs or some songwriters. They are seeking for and creating songs that can be on the charts and spotify. This explains a lot why they love pop songs so much.

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Pearli

xeinn’s song has zero commercial appeal in 2022 tho lmao

Pancake
Pancake
2 years ago

I’ve been reading some comment replies on YouTube saying that an unknown Telecom company in Galicia has been offering a lot of free Sim cards to people to vote for Tanxugieras and a bar is giving away a bunch of free drinks for the exact same thing, thus why Tanxu got a lot of votes (a bit too disproportionate if you ask me). If those rumors are true, technically that’s consider vote buying which is a shameful act on it’s own. I’m not accusing Tanxu of anything (they probably didn’t know that was happening at that time) but I just… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Pancake
Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  Pancake

Intoxicación informativa, solo faltaban las fake news

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Pancake

You are traslading a fake. I’m from Galicia. I could not vote like many people, because “curiously” gave error, both in the semi-final and in the final. IN GALICIA THERE IS NO TELECOM.

Efraim
Efraim
2 years ago

Valencian Community here and I couldn’t vote in the finals either. I’m guessing no one planned ahead of the line tension that the number of texts and calls could bring, and the lines crashed, or at least suffered major backlog, because of it.

Nadia
Nadia
2 years ago

I couldn’t either and I’m from Andalusia. I looked up the error on Twitter and it happend to people all over Spain, it wasn’t targeted.
My theory is Tanxugueiras were really popular in other places of Spain too because people are eager to show Europe a different side of Spanish folk culture, something different from the flamenco/Andalusian/Azucar Moreno kinda stereotype.

Adrián
Adrián
2 years ago

Dude, Toxo Telecom admitted to do that, they tweeted about it. The twist is that according to them only about 300 votes were sent using their free sms. Considering it’s a very small company is very likely to be true. I don’t think the votes were “fraudulent”, but it’s undeniable that votes from Galicia were desproportionately more numerous than from the rest of Spain and I think they should do something about that for the next Benidorm Fest. I don’t think it’s fair that a region can bomb the televote like that, this time was Galicia and people won’t mind,… Read more »

Zulal
Zulal
2 years ago
Reply to  Pancake

This is true. Some people are saying it’s fake news. But there’s actually an article in a famous newspaper from Spain talking about this issue (the one regarding the Galicia phone company), including an interview with some of the representatives of this company, who said they wanted to support Tanxugueiras and payed the cost of the sms of their clients if they voted for them. The same with the bar. And before anyone comes saying “I’m galician and I had to pay for my sms, and didn’t know of the existente of this company” that doesn’t mean that this news… Read more »

CagardiB
CagardiB
2 years ago

Sain votes as if it was a sammarinese national final, not because it’s a small sample of the population only, but because it assumes that the 25% of all voters are somewhat accurately depicted in 400 people as if their country would have 10K people. On what world do yo leave 50% of the chances to vote on 5 people when over a million people vote to be a part of the 25%share. I don’t mind Chanel, she isn’t my favorite but it’s also not what the public wanted. If you want to have a fair competition let them choose… Read more »

Zulal
Zulal
2 years ago
Reply to  CagardiB

Tbh, the demoscopic vote is more representative than the televoting for the reason I explained in a comment I posted before. The demoscopic vote was formed by a sample of 350 people from all over Spain (the different regions were represented proportionally according to their population; 50% were women and the other 50% were men; and there were 2 age ranges (18-44; 44-onwards). And I can tell you RTVE really took this demoscopic jury very seriously (the Head of Communication explained the procedure they followed, which consisted in many interviews and stuff). Btw, the members of this demoscopic jury were… Read more »

Adrián
Adrián
2 years ago
Reply to  Zulal

I like the demoscopic vote because it compensates regional voting bombs, like Galicians did this year. The final in Galicia doubled the tv share than in the rest of Spain, they were extremely invested on their girls LOL

Amaan Storm
Amaan Storm
1 year ago
Reply to  CagardiB

Comment from three months in the future here. The public CLEARLY are not always right! Chanel got Spain their best position in absolutely years. Tanxagueiras wouldn’t have done that at all. Not anywhere close! With Fulenn being the most likened song to the one by Tanxagueiras, I think they too would have finished lower down the right hand side of the board.

Obviously we’ll never know, but what we do know is that Chanel slayed! So glad the public didn’t get to choose!

Pearli
Pearli
2 years ago

Jeez, this is absurd.

Zulal
Zulal
2 years ago

The audience figures that were published the other day showed that BenidormFest’s Grand Final had an average share of 21% nationally. BUT the TV share in Galicia was almost 50%. It was the region with the highest TV share, followed by Madrid with almost 29% of TV share (a huge margin). Objectively speaking, Tanxugueiras received points and had much support across Spain, so, even without Galicia’s support, I think they may have won the televoting aswell. However, you can’t deny that they received a massive and unconditional support from Galicia (there were tons of regional broadcasters and newspapers supporting them).… Read more »

Adrián
Adrián
2 years ago
Reply to  Zulal

I totally agree. This whole thing is pretty hypocritical, not trusting on the judges without any actual evidence of wrongdoing but completely ignoring the messed up televote results. I hope they do something about the televoting system or ditch it alltogheter in favor of a demoscopic with a larger group.

Karworld
Karworld
2 years ago

My point of view as a Catalan: 1. My favourite song before the Fest was Terra, despite I liked all of them. When I saw Chanel’s performance I wanted her to win. The song itself may be a bit generic, some would say Eleni’s copy. But nobody can question this is the authentic Latin material and it was perfectly performed: singing flawless with such a choreography requires a high level of professionality, she slayed twice, and elevated a song up to a point that the performance as a whole was ART . Terra’s performance lacked something I cannot describe and… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Karworld
Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  Karworld

Bueno Chanel canta en coros, porque en directo…..
Ser riguroso da credibilidad

Karworld
Karworld
2 years ago
Reply to  Atlas

Canta a veces con coro, otras muchas no. Y no para de moverse en ningún momento! Ni siquiera le falla la voz en ningún momento del cansancio! Para mí tiene un mérito increíble. Tremenda preparación física!

Rich
Rich
2 years ago

Even without regional voting, Tanxugueiras probably would have won the televote. Everybody saying they only received votes from Galicia is ignorant to what was actually going on here in Spain. They’re also ignoring the fact that Rigoberta – who didn’t benefit from a regional fanbase – got MORE THAN FOUR TIMES the number of televotes that Chanel got.

And before anyone says “Oh, the Catalans were all voting for Rigoberta!!!” I’m Valenciano, I voted for Rigoberta and Tanxugueiras, and Chanel… is from Catalonia.

Tomas Davitt
Tomas Davitt
2 years ago
Reply to  Rich

“I’m Valenciano, I voted for Rigoberta and Tanxugueiras, and Chanel… is from Catalonia.”

thats a sample size of 1

Last edited 2 years ago by Tomas Davitt
Rich
Rich
2 years ago
Reply to  Tomas Davitt

You either didn’t understand my comment or selectively quoted it to make your own point. So, are you stupid or just being polemic?

Rifki
Rifki
2 years ago

this proves further that I am right, the flaw is in the method of converting the televotes and demoscopic votes. as said by a commen earlier below me, if it used percentage-based points instead of using a fixed set of points (basically the 2011-2018 Melodifestivalen instead of 2002-2010 Melodifestivalen), the results would have been different.

Meckie
Meckie
2 years ago

So if Spain ends up Bottom 5 all fans will blame Chanel and RTVE. If Spain ends up Top 5 RTVE might give juries more voting strength I guess. What a twisted situation it is.

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Meckie

The best thing RTVE can do is to override the results. There are many irregularities: 1. non-compliance of their own bases; 2. the employment relationship of Chanel with RTVE and with one of the members of the Spanish jury; 3. the relationship of RTVE, two members of the Spanish jury and Chanel with the multinational BMG that composed and produced this song 3 years ago in USA and its economic interests.

Last edited 2 years ago by Xabier de Nóvoa
sav001
sav001
2 years ago

They will not override the results, get over it.

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  sav001

We’ll see. First we’ll see what comes out of the Senate and the minutes that the RTVE CC.OO. union has requested. If there is a “conflict of interest” (RTVE, two judges and Chanel are related to BMG, and Chanel had labor relations with RTVE and with one of the judges) would lead to the immediate annulment of the entire competition. Second, three complaints are being filed through the courts, which may also provisionally suspend the outcome.

Teddy
Teddy
2 years ago

Honestly these numbers seem to be the EXACT reason RTVE went with the demoscopic poll. The jury only consisting of 5 people, only one of whom was a singer or songwriter was just irresponsible on RTVE’s part. If voting was free and the contest was more popular, it wouldn’t have been a landslide like this at all. 1. A highly disproportionate number of viewers and voters were from Tanxugueiras’ region, Galicia. 2. Only around 200,000 votes were received during the show amongst an audience of 3 million. Considering casual viewers are less likely to pay to vote and this skews… Read more »

Steve
Steve
2 years ago
Reply to  Teddy

But those people didn’t vote, so who cares? If you don’t vote, your voice doesn’t get a say.

Polegend Godgarina
2 years ago
Reply to  Teddy

in spain televotes were €2 and limited to a few per person while in sweden’s final they’re for free from the app and you can cast over 60(!!!) votes from one device, not the same thing

Stian F
Stian F
2 years ago

And where in spain did these votes come from?? These results dont matter if lets say 200 000 votes came from Galicia and 20 000 votes came from all of rest of spain. It was a landslide in percentage, but we need to have the exact number to know how much of a landslide it was and the geographical distribution of these votes. We have had these situations in Norway as well where regional support means a LOT for some entries…. And the results are always heavily discussed in how fair it is that regional connection matters more than the… Read more »

bartosz
bartosz
2 years ago
Reply to  Stian F

And why is it wrong that Galicians voted for Terra? Galicia is part of Spain and they have every right to vote for whatever song they like as every other person living in Spain. It’s not their fault that the rest of the country was not interested in voting as much as they were

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Stian F

The number of votes, according to RTVE, was about 190,000.

Im so fab
Im so fab
2 years ago

What the phaq is this? But honestly, Chanel shouldn’t pay for the corruption of RTVE. Stop the harassment.

Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  Im so fab

Nadie acosa a Chanel, pero si a los tres jurados de RTVE que votaron muy diferente de los internacionales de una forma muy sospechosa….eso y los antecedentes de RTVE hacen que huela mal

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Im so fab

Nobody harasses her. Who should pay for the fraud is RTVE and the Spanish judges. And they will pay.Possibly she is afraid that both votes will be annulled, which is very possible.

sav001
sav001
2 years ago

They do harass her. Or do you consider death threats being sent to her on Twitter as non harassment?

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  sav001

If that really happens, it is deplorable. The fraud is from RTVE, that knowing all the irregularities, allowed their participation.

hhhhurricane
hhhhurricane
2 years ago

Literally what the hell is this. Why isn’t the damn vote scaled accordingly. Like, you can’t pull this 12 10 8 bs with a 50-25 power imbalance it’s WHACK

Pachaz
Pachaz
2 years ago

It demonstrates that public has definetely Good taste, much more original and authentic than this « déjà vu » and boring Chanel’s song. The vote of the Spanish jury is such a shame !

Bella
Bella
2 years ago

Couple things come to mind when I read this, so here’s my 2 cents… (1) The artist was basically solely chosen by RTVE through their jury, but is it really a surprise? Since the voting method was revealed and they said that 75% of the decision would be made by juries (experts and demoscopic), it was pretty obvious to me that the Spanish televoters would not decide anything. Not saying it’s a good thing, but just saying it was obvious all along (and even more so when they revealed how televoting points would not be proportional to percentages, making it… Read more »

Sandro Gonzalez
2 years ago

I’m a Spanish Eurofan and live in the UK. I feel able to see things both from the Spanish and international perspective. So hope I’m not seen as a Spanish ‘‘talifan’’ as someone has said, nor a know-nothing foreigner. Let me try to enlighten both sides of the Pyrenees mountains. Let’s hope I can provide some nuance. First of all. This year was a bit of a freak year, this shouldn’t have happened any other year I don’t think. Tanxugueiras had a disproportionately strong regional base. So many people that voted for them wouldn’t be Euro fans. And you can… Read more »

Rich
Rich
2 years ago

You absolutely nailed it.

Kosey
Kosey
2 years ago

I’m an international audience and it’s obvious what sort of song SloMo is even if I don’t understand Spanish. The irony that SloMo beat a song like Ay Mama is not lost on those outside of Spain.

Bella
Bella
2 years ago

Super interesting perspective, I really like the second part of your comment. But some of the things you say at the start are not based on anything objective. Like “Tanxugueiras had a disproportionately strong regional base. So many people that voted for them wouldn’t be Euro fans”… How do you know that? Like, no one outside of Galicia wants to send a “regional” song? And even if that’s so, so what? Who ever said you had to be a “euro fan” to vote in national selection? Acts represent a whole country, not the euro fans. Honestly if my country sent… Read more »

Sandro Gonzalez
2 years ago
Reply to  Bella

We probably agree in more things than we disagree on. I believe Tanxugueiras was the most popular entry in nearly all spanish regions. I hail from the Canaries and most of the people I know voted for them. The reason that I say Tanxugueiras’ main support base is in Galicia is that TV audience share as a % was in the high 40’s there and in the high 20’s in the whole country. So it’s not unreasonable to think that Galicians were particularly engaged. And what I was trying to explain is that any other year there would’ve been less… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Sandro Gonzalez
Atlas
2 years ago

Olvidas que el jurado internacional dio 12 y 7 a tanxu , mientras el español de RTVE y vinculado …..? Dio 2 2 y 4…. ni siquiera aplaudieron esa actuación , como si lo hicieron con las demás y los demas

Sandro Gonzalez
2 years ago
Reply to  Atlas

No juror gave 12 to Tanxu. You mean one juror (we can only speculate who!) gave Tanxu 10 points. If I post a comment is not to repeat the information already given in the main article I’m commenting on!

I’ve already said Tanxu could definitely appeal internationally. I’d only add they’d need much better staging and presentation though. I suspect RTVE might be partly to blame for that as well.

Last edited 2 years ago by Sandro Gonzalez
Lorena
Lorena
2 years ago
Reply to  Atlas

We do not know who each member of the jury is. Therefore there is no way we know if the 2 came from a Spanish or a foreign member of the jury.

Lorena
Lorena
2 years ago

Yes, very good analysis. But just like somelse here pointed out, though, the only “not so right” point is that Tanxugueiras were actually supported by the whole of Spain. I am Andalusian and most of the people I know here voted for them. Agree, for sure much more in Galicia and they were massively voted there. But they would have won the televote even without the Galician factor. Maybe, as you live abroad, you did not realise. The only other act that was close to Tanxugueiras in people’s voting intention was Rigoberta.

Jamie
Jamie
2 years ago

What’s the point in having the televote then… I like Chanel and all, but this voting system is a disgrace.

willchrisiam
willchrisiam
2 years ago

So let me get this straight – when it’s Azerbaijan buying the votes with money being the incentive it’s called rigging the contest but when a carrier is doing the same thing with your culture and ethnicity being showcased to the whole world as the incentive it’s called people’s taste?
Am I getting it right?
Give me a break! You Tanxugueiras stans are a bunch of hypocrites.

Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  willchrisiam

No intoxiques..

Leendert Jan
Leendert Jan
2 years ago

I’ve done a little bit of math: if the points of the televote and the demoscopic jury would have been calculated based on their percentages, the result would have been: Tanxugueiras with 146 points Rigoberta with 88 points Chanel with 75 points But let’s face it; the system was not like this and the rules were clear beforehand. And remember that many countries use a system where a percentage of the vote is irrelevant: Portugal for instance has used a simple 1-12 points for both the jury and the televote in Festival da Canção (The Black Mamba was 2nd last… Read more »

Last edited 2 years ago by Leendert Jan
Rifki
Rifki
2 years ago
Reply to  Leendert Jan

thanks for doing the math. they should have used that system this year, and I hope they will use it for next year.

Rifki
Rifki
2 years ago
Reply to  Leendert Jan

in Eurovision, we can easily divide the televotes by countries, but in national selections it’s far harder to divide the televotes according to their state/province of origin. because of that, it should be solved by either using a fixed set of points or using percentage-based points.

Leendert Jan
Leendert Jan
2 years ago
Reply to  Rifki

It’s not entirely impossible. Sweden and Norway both use a regional televote.

Allaine
Allaine
2 years ago

You are not going to stop until you destroy Chanel

Dr. D
Dr. D
2 years ago

There’s no point to argue with anyone until the final night of ESC where Spain will place in the bottom 10 this year.

Mustafa
Mustafa
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. D

Well, that will feel like winning for Spain.

Roodi
Roodi
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr. D

Spain will finish top 10 this year boomer

Josh
Josh
2 years ago

What’s wild to me is how close Rigoberta was to beating Chanel in the demoscopic vote, which would have caused her to win. IMO if that had happened we definitely wouldn’t be seeing as much backlash. Definitely not at the final, maybe some here now (since the 50% gap between televotes is still pretty crazy). What a mess all around.

willchrisiam
willchrisiam
2 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Yeah, makes no sense because we follow the ESC on the radio where a package doesn’t count…

Jake
Jake
2 years ago

The biggest problem with this jury was it’s imbalance of professionals. Only 1 jury member of 5 was truly a music professional—1 singer. Zero songwriters. Zero musicians. The others were an RTVE corporate professional, a choreographer, a director/stager and a foreign head of delegation. So a song contest without a single person who actually writes songs on the panel. Package won over song. But everyone knew this going in. But if you worked with the winner and you gave the lowest possible points to the biggest competitor—SHAME ON YOU!!!

John Welsh
John Welsh
2 years ago

The bigger picture here is the winning song is picked to compete at Eurovision. The publics favourite may be extremely popular nationally but not necessarily at Eurovision. The job of the jury is to pick the song which will give Spain the best chance to do well internationally at the contest.

Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  John Welsh

Eso es totalmente subjetivo, además los dos jurados internacionales votaron bien por tanxugueiras, fueron las corporativas de RTVE que las colocaron últimas sabiendo que eran favoritas….
Internacionalme en todas las plataformas los números de tanxugueiras hablan de ello y te responden

Charlie06
Charlie06
2 years ago

If RTVE made a set of artists and songs for the festival (serious enough artists, not Chikilicuatre or John Cobra), WHY DO WE NEED A JURY?

Lazarus
Lazarus
2 years ago

Galicia’s population is just 5.69% of the whole spanish population. Tanxugueiras received 70% of the televote. 7 out of 10 votes where for them. Do the math. They recieved support from all around Spain… You can’t get such a high percentage otherwise… Not enough words to describe what happened. Chanel’s career will be remembered for being the one who unfairly represented Spain in ESC with a song only 4 out of 100 people wanted. But nothing to blame her. It’s all RTVE fault. There is only one way to fix this. I propose to let Tanxugueiras participate directly next year… Read more »

Teddy
Teddy
2 years ago
Reply to  Lazarus

Around 50% of Galicia was tuned into Benidorm Fest, which is something like 1.3-1.5 million people. Around 3 million people watched the show in total meaning that almost half of the viewers were Galician. Factor in the fact many will have voted multiple times, especially considering how in love the region was with the song, it becomes very feasible that level of dominance was largely driven by the lopsided nature of the viewing figures. The fact the demoscopic vote was neck and neck between the three favourites also backs this up.

Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
2 years ago
Reply to  Teddy

Audience share is not calculated upon total population, you know. Otherwise BenidormFest would have been watched by some 10 million people (21% of the Spanish population!).

Roughly 475k people watched the show in Galicia (49.5% of audience share), making it the most followed non-sporting event in the region since – funnily enough – the 2018 Eurovision Final.

Last edited 2 years ago by Aseriesofcatastrophicalcoincidences
Lazarus
Lazarus
2 years ago
Reply to  Teddy

Galicia is the region in Spain with more music culture. People there love music. Loads of local bands, popular orchestras, etc. If other regions have less interest in music is not the fault of the people from Galicia. Plus, Tanxus had supporters all around Spain, not only in Galicia. You don’t get 70% support only by votes there. It’s funny how when it’s obvious it all was rigged in favour of Chanel there’s still people saying she had support. 4% of the televote means Spain didn’t like her song…

Charlie06
Charlie06
2 years ago

Guess who gave 2 points to Tanxugueiras… Hahahaha
Maybe the coreographer who worked with Chanel a few years before? LOL
With all this mafia, nobody will participate in Benidorm Fest 2023.

Sometimes I think ‘poor Chanel’ she’s just an artist having one of the best moments of her career. But at the same time, I think ‘I’m sure she knew about this’

Karl
Karl
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie06

What she knew is that putting on a great show would get her a high score, which is what she did. Good on her.

Mustafa
Mustafa
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie06

Nobody will participate at Benidorm 2023

Oh my friend it can be the mob itself at Benidorm and they’ll find another 1000 songs to choose from, it’s too big of a spotlight to pass…

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Mustafa

But not from Galicia and possibly from any other historical nationality with co-official language. If the Spaniards want to hear our music, go to Lorient in French Britain, Glasgow, Vancouver or Boston and pay for the tickets.

Paul
Paul
2 years ago

thank god for juries

Frau Loch
2 years ago

Let’s turn this “Terra was robbed” BS around.

It is Chanel who should demand a research into the televote. 71% against 4% looks like an obvious attempt to rig the system! Where did the televotes come from and who trolled the system? It looks very much like Kirkorov and his bought SIMcard votes for Moldova in 2021.

Jake
Jake
2 years ago
Reply to  Frau Loch

The Roop won 60% of their vote in Lithuanian National final? Was that rigged too

Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  Frau Loch

Otra intoxicadora….carece de argumento , mientras el hundimiento del jurado (solo el español) es conocido…
Sólo la actitud (el único jurado que no aplaudió la actuación de tanxus) ..es revelador…aplaudieron todas las demás…

ahod
ahod
2 years ago

*Patiently waiting for Chanel to secure Spain’s best result in years and become a European-wide summer bop and seeing all of these dramatic fans that knew the voting system way before the festival began jump on the bandwagon & praise her.*

Atlas
2 years ago
Reply to  ahod

Se conocía el sistema de votación , pero no las trampas de las tres jurados vinculadas a RTVE…
Cuando tengas información habla

Chris
Chris
2 years ago

So if it was like san remo they would have added the percentages… The problem is not that jury is 50-50 with the televoting, but that 70% of spain voted for a specific song to go in and somehow no matter how many people voted for them the 3% of televote was enough for her to get just 10 points less than terra. It should have matter how many people call for a specific act in televoting. Like for example the 13.88 of demoscopic jury voted for channel and 13.52 for Rigoberta and then she had 5 points more but… Read more »

Chris
Chris
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

And don’t tell me again how is the same in eurovision. In Eurovision they have that system so that each country has equal number of votes, otherwise we would have the song Russians wanted winning every year.

Lewis
Lewis
2 years ago

Galicians are 2.7 million in a population of 47.4 million, so it’s almost certain that Tanxu won the televote in other regions even if Galicia provided a very outsized portion of the vote.

The fair thing to do is to give Tanxu an automatic spot in the next Benidorm Fest if they so choose, make the voting system 50:50 and ensure that there is at least one song in a local language for future editions.

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago
Reply to  Lewis

Galician musicians will never represent Spain again. We have asked Portugal to participate in the Festival da Cançâo.

Teddie
Teddie
2 years ago

Ahahaha. This is incredible. So basically everyone votes for a particular song and in the end it loses because of some 3 random dudes. Way to go Spain! That’s how you do a NF! Lol

Nadia
Nadia
2 years ago

Seeing everyone argue about this so angrily it’s exhausting, let’s take the opportunity to reflect on an interesting question: should the selection process of a country choose always the one they like more at a national level? Referring to Amaia & Alfred (Sp.2018), I saw non-spanish fans describing this phenomenon as being “blinded” and they (at least pre-Benifest results) said it was happening now. And to what extent is it important to embody a message and culture in the song? Other Spain Eurofans compare Terra to Go_A, and non-Sp Eurofans to Tulia (Poland 2019). But leaving voices aside, I want to… Read more »

Xabier de Nóvoa
Xabier de Nóvoa
2 years ago

It seems that there are very murky things. It will be investigated in the Spanish Senate, the TV Union CC.OO. has asked for all the documentation of the vote and requests the annulment of the result (it can also end up in the courts). There is a link between RTVE, two of the Spanish judges and the artist with the multinational producer Getmusic, who made this song in the USA 3 years ago, and that the result was already decided, rigged by economic interests. On the other hand, Galician musicians, well known in Celtic music festivals, are asking RTP to… Read more »

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
2 years ago

All I keep in mind is that Chanel is the only one who worked really hard to put on a show, show that will be remembered in May. All I keep in mind is also that Chanel is going up on Spotify through Europe. Tanxugueiras would have been a good choice too but juries did a great job.

I would also love to see the votes from the different regions of Spain. Perhaps 60% of the votes come from Tanxugueiras’ region.

Chris
Chris
2 years ago

And you know that because you have some kind of an info we don’t?
Still the diferrence between Rigo and Channel was huge…

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

You’re trying to make me say something I didn’t say… I just hypothesised something but it’s only a hypothesis and it won’t change the fact that Tanxugueiras won the public vote.
I didn’t try to say Chanel should have won public vote, Rigoberta was also higher than her with the public. The only thing I did is support Chanel because too much people are trying to convince others that she is bad and didn’t deserve to win.

WannaEatMySpaghetti
WannaEatMySpaghetti
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

And I will just add one thing. It’s clear that Tanxugueiras are really appreciated. But 71% of the vote when there are 8 candidates and when half of them are really good… this is highly unlikely. In terms of statistics, it is almost impossible. There is clearly a hidden effect behind these results. That’s why I was talking about mass voting by people from Galicia.