Photo: Keshet / Shai Franco

Finnish and Icelandic artists are among those who have called for Israel to be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 over the ongoing Gaza War. But on Thursday the European Broadcasting Union re-iterated its position that Israel will be allowed to participate in Malmö.

In a statement the EBU director general, Noel Curran, said: 

“The Eurovision Song Contest is a non-political music event and a competition between public service broadcasters who are members of the EBU. It is not a contest between governments.”

“Our governing bodies … did review the participants list for the 2024 contest and agreed that the Israeli public broadcaster Kan met all the competition rules for this year and can participate, as it has for the past 50 years.”

Eden Golan will represent Israel at the song contest. She won the right in February following a three-month national selection, HaKokhav HaBa. Critics of Israel’s participation have drawn comparisons to Russia’s expulsion following its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. They say the EBU isn’t being consistent.

But, as the Agence France Press reports, Mr. Curran does not believe it’s the place of the EBU to compare wars.

“In the case of Russia, the Russian broadcasters themselves were suspended from the EBU due to their persistent breaches of membership obligations and the violation of public service values,” he said. “The relationship between Kan and the Israeli government is fundamentally different to the relationship that exists between those Russian members and the state, with the Israeli government in recent years threatening to close down the broadcaster.”

In January, more than 1,400 artists based in Finland signed a petition calling for Israel to be excluded from this year’s contest. Their petition said: “It is not in accordance with our values that a country that commits war crimes and continues a military occupation is given a public stage to polish its image in the name of music.”

“At the same time other participating countries end up giving their support to Israel’s policies.”

In February, 400 celebrities hit back with a letting supporting Israel’s participation.

Helen Mirren, Emmy Rossum, Mayam Bialik, and Scooter Braun were among those who signed the letter.

It said: “Music is a place for unity not division. It is a language that should always bring us together. Artists should never be discriminated against for who they are, who they love or where they’re born. These boycott efforts do nothing but distract from the uplifting and unifying power of music — something we need more than ever.”

 

 

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Anifer
Anifer
1 month ago

This is nothing short of cowardice. Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, and is brutally dispossessing Palestinians in the West Bank. It should be made a pariah and should be shunned by the civilized world until they stop their barbaric murdering of innocents. If the world pressured South Africa to stop its apartheid, it can surely pressure Israel into dropping its apartheid rule against Palestinians

Gil
Gil
1 month ago

And israel is climbing the 3rd place in the odds..lol…when tge song will be out it will jump directly to tge first place, Eden Golen is in the house…israel haters are gonna be si mad cause Eden is thaaaat good…i dont think there was such a singer at eurovision since celine dyon and i am not joking…Go and win it girl??

Anifer
Anifer
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

Even winning the Eurovision won’t absolve Israel of its crimes. Israel is doing so much Artwashing and Pinkwashing because it sure has a lot of dirty laundry, doesn’t it?

Vlad
Vlad
1 month ago

EBU thinks mostly about financial benefits for themselves. Rest is not as important to them.
When Ukraine asked them to disqualify russian participation due to the war begin in 2022, EBU denied it. Then they had to do it after a few countries, worn to cancel their participation if Russia still would be part of the contest.

Gil
Gil
1 month ago

Eden will save eufivision from a disaster year…what happened to the songs this year? So for only italy and ukraine are ok, luxemburg as well imo…the rest are terrible

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago

Worldwide the tides are shifting in Peoples their voices against the W @rcrimes Israel is commiting.

Today 100K’s of protesters globally took it to the streets of their cities demanding for Ceasefire NOW and Peace!!

In the meanwhile the machine is just going on. If nothing can stop their Destruction . but yeah ‘they started it first………………………”

But we will being embraced and be loved in the United by Music ESC24 bubble……………………..

How this looks like the 30’s again!!??
HOW For Gods sake
WHY???

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Fizzpunk

Lol, go to sleep kid, no one cares about your radical muslims ter*rists…for sure not eurovision fans

Mark
Mark
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

You’re a Nazi, go away

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Mark

Lol, if you have tge ckurage to tell a jew that he is a nazi it says everything abkut ,ou sc@m…say it in my face if you are so brave…i am willing to give you my address, little as& hole

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

Avada Kedavra, I speak to destroy
The feelings I have, I cannot avoid
Through twisted tongues, a hex deployed on you
That all the pretties in your bed
Escape your hands and make you sad
And all the things you wish you had, you lose

Lawrence Gibb
Lawrence Gibb
1 month ago

I stopped commenting here because of the facile, childish responses I received from a minority of readers. However, I find it hard to read some of the comments below. Too many people are being labelled anti-semitic because they criticise the Israeli government, so what I am about to write is not about Judaism, Jewish culture or individuals, it is about a government and an army which is not conducting a war but the slaughter of innocents. The attacks on Israel in October were horrific and should be condemned but 8,000 Gazan children did not carry out these attacks. To suggest… Read more »

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago

There are still ways to protest this. You can turn off the stream during Israel’s performance, people in the arena can trun nheir back to the stage, they can boo Israel getting points like they did with Russia numerous times and we can keep talking about the unacceptable things that are happening to P. civilians and helping whichever way we can. May this be an opportunity to send a message, we can be d*mn sure Israel will try to do that for themselves through their song and performance.

Th16
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

We can try to prevent them from spreading propaganda, but what you suggest is really unfair for Eden

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago
Reply to  Th16

Eden agreed to represent Israel that is currently killing thousands of civilians, i do not feel sorry for her, she could have declined.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Sometimes

Exactly.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

If I were a musician offered to sing under my country’s flag and that country was investigated for w4r cr1mes and almost unanimously condemned by the UN, I would not in good conscience find it justifiable in my heart to represent it. I’d find myself revolting.

Mark
Mark
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

Everyone should take tomatoes and throw them on stage during the Israeli performance

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Mark

I will find your lovation, be carefull

Haze
Haze
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

You cant even find your own pants Hasbara bot

Polinia
Polinia
1 month ago

All the people complaining really don’t care about Pal- they simply want to be seen as saviours. If you truly cared you would donate to the cause to aid those that need it instead of whining about a song contest. Whether Israel participates or not won’t affect the lives of Pal- what will make a difference is donating to them and actively helping. But many Europeans simply want to look as performative activist when in reality eurovision and what’s going on have NOTHING in comm

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Polinia

Exactly. Just like the difference between those who throw food at art pieces in museums and those who just go out there to clean a river or something.
Some like being loud and seem as activists, some are literally active.

Polinia
Polinia
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

They are delus!onal, they believe boycotting Eurovision will magically have an effect in the conflict. It did not happen with Russia, why would it be any different now? This is a song contest not the committee of United Nations! Truth is, whether Israel takes part in the contest or not it won’t change what’s happening in that region, specially when the Israeli government and broadcast organisation are not linked. Anyone that votes politically in the contest will just be wasting money that could have been invested in helping those that really need it.

Peace
1 month ago
Reply to  Polinia

Again double standards, Ukraine won few times for political reason , what an hypocritical comment ,I’m amazed with you comment

Katey
Katey
1 month ago
Reply to  Polinia

BDS played a massive role in bringing down apartheid in South Africa. BDS works! People prioritising their own comfort over Palestinian suffering right now is shameful.

Haze
Haze
1 month ago
Reply to  Polinia

Every boycott is important because they draw attention to the issue

People will eventually ask “Why Israel wasn’t allowed?” and then find its because their country is drawing a genocidal campaign that has claimed the lives of thousands of innocent children.

Haze
Haze
1 month ago
Reply to  Polinia

Then let Russia participate too, the double standards of this response are massive

Troy
Troy
1 month ago

Israel has already won:
1. Israel participates despite all the hatred
2. There are 2 Israeli representatives in Eurovision this year
3. Israel pass Iceland in betting odds
4. Israel up in the odds when Israel doesn’t have a song yet

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

There are 3 Israeli representatives in Eurovision this year (Including Bashar from Iceland, he is Israeli and live in Israel) 🙂

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

Avada Kedavra, I speak to destroy
The feelings I have, I cannot avoid
Through twisted tongues, a hex deployed on you
That all the pretties in your bed
Escape your hands and make you sad
And all the things you wish you had, you lose

Sebas
Sebas
1 month ago

Im so done with the selective outrage. Where were all of u to boycott the UK during the invasion of Iraq? I ain’t hearing anyone about Azerbaijan anymore? It just screams of virtue signaling and clearly the EBU aint pandering to it, good for them. And if the artists don’t wanna go? Fine, then don’t. Stop the attention seeking of being a good humanitarian and just make the decision not to go then. First of all less people to be rude to/ignore Eden this year. And instead of windows whoever man we will get Paskana, sounds like a win/win to… Read more »

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Sebas

So you think calling out a gen0cide is virtue signaling? You think calling for repurcussions for said gen0cide is attention seeking?

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago

If it truly is a gn0cide, how come the ICJ didn’t tell Israel to stop the war right now?
There’s a big difference between a war and a gen0cide, please choose your words carefully.

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

The ICJ have instructed Israel to avoid civilian casulaties whilst Israel are picking off women and children like its sport. I stand by my words.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago

You think that’s what Israel does, while in reality, they’re doing their best to hurt as few as possible.
Do you have a better way of doing so? Maybe a magic spell to hurt not even a single civilian? Everyone would like to hear.
The ICJ literally told Israel to just keep on doing the same – make sure to avoid civilian casualties and keep on providing humanitarian aid, as already happening.
Stand by your words when you got some support for them. Otherwise, stay open to learn more about the reality there.

Melissa
Melissa
1 month ago
Reply to  Sebas

Sebas, the average Wiwibloggs user was likely either not “on the internet”, a child or not even alive in 2003. We can only properly criticize the actions that are undertaken in the current day and digging up old crimes won’t advance anything. If we want the contest to advance peace and understanding between all, we should speak up on current events and learn from the past. That is not what is happening here currently if they get to participate despite how much suffering is being committed actively every single day and we are in our right to call it out.… Read more »

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Melissa

Melissa, I love your comment. Kudos to you.

Sebas
Sebas
1 month ago
Reply to  Melissa

The people crying about Palestine today would also be the first people to cry about European colonialism in the 15-20th century and slavery and how they need to apologize for it. So it’s kinda rich coming from them to talk about “old crimes”.

Th16
1 month ago
Reply to  Sebas

You keep addressing the criticism as from whom it comes , essentially avoiding to talk about it. That’s sad. Either say your arguments about the issue or don’t comment about it at all

Max
Max
1 month ago

They do know, we see flags on the screen, not the logos of broadcasters, don’t they?

Ern
Ern
1 month ago

Meanwhile, Azerbaijan is busy cleansing Armenians, and crickets from the EBU.

Give me a break!

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Ern

It’s an absolute travesty. My heart goes out to Armenia as well as Pa1est1ne.

Anna Karenina
Anna Karenina
1 month ago

Shame on the EBU!!!! They are co-signing on Israel’s genoc!de by allowing them to participate!!!

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Anna Karenina

Blame the Irish head of the EBU Noel Curran. He said last year ‘It Will Be Terrible if Israel Is Removed From Eurovision’

Anna Karenina
Anna Karenina
1 month ago

Shame on the EBU!!!! They are co-signing on Israel’s genocide by allowing them to participate!!!

Span
Span
1 month ago

Gosh people just can’t enjoy a song contest without the needless politics. Get a life already and stop bullying artists on social media weirdos.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Span

“needless” politics?? Have you been living under a rock? This isn’t about some petty feud, it’s literally a question of our humanity.

Span
Span
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

Needless politics in a SONG contest. You help no one by harassing artists and pressuring them to withdraw from a song contest! Go be an activist where it matters instead of being a keyboard warrior. Gen Z is truly degenerate.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Span

What makes you think I’m gen Z? lol
First of all, EVERYTHING in this world is political, that’s how society works and secondly, eurovision has ALWAYS been political. It’s not a song contest where you have random artists regardless of their background. You have one from each country, representing that country. Flying the flag of that country, showing the culture and values of that country/nation. Let’s not fool ourselves.

Span
Span
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

No, not everything is political. The contest worked just fine before twitter activists pushed politics onto it. Normal people just want to enjoy a song contest in peace. Leave us alone and go strike in G aza.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Span

I doubt your love of Eurovision if you have watched it for years and never found anything political in it. Its very foundations are rooted in politics.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago

Th ICJ literally found Israel guilty of the worst crimes possible and somehow the EBU is comfortable running propaganda in their favor? Because make no mistake even if everyone keeps their mouth shut (they wont) there will be israeli flags at eurovision and no one permitted to speak for their victims. Shameful and disgusting. I love eurovision as much as anyone else here but if the options are endorsing this travesty and missing the show. I will miss the show. Boycott the EBU. Israel should not exist much less be alowed to compete.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

The ICJ literally did NOT find Israel guilty. That would take YEARS. All they did was find that a case can be brought foward. Argue your point, but it only gets undermined when you are wrong about basic facts.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

I struggle with this too. I think in the end I’ll still be watching Eurovision out of my love for it, but I won’t be watching Israel’s performance. I’ll turn the stream off for the 3 minutes. And I’ll fully support all kinds of protests against Israel in and outside of the arena.

Yankee
Yankee
1 month ago

Screw Finland and Iceland. Getting Zero Points from me in May.

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Yankee

Unlike Iceland, most Finns have no problem with Israel taking part

Wedding Cake Island
Wedding Cake Island
1 month ago
Reply to  Yuarith

I doubt you know most Finns.

Melissa
Melissa
1 month ago

Considering we just elected an US ass-kisser as the president the countrys policy is probably going to become very pro-Israel in the coming years because he’s more than likely just going to mimic what Biden does.

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Yankee

As an israeli i dint thunk finland is like iceland…iceland and ireland are the countries that are famous for jews hatred, not finland

MartyMcCu
MartyMcCu
1 month ago

I actually feel sorry for her. Not a good place to be when the spotlight will not be about her.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  MartyMcCu

In a way, yes. She isn’t the Israeli government. On the other hand, she can always say no to going. So…

AMAAN STORM
AMAAN STORM
1 month ago

Always gets me when a government plays victim during a raging war that they’re totally complicit in, yet STILL find the time and money to compete in an unimportant entertainment show.

Total waste of resources, they won’t win anyway.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  AMAAN STORM

Unimportant entertainment show, how dare you.

Maya G
Maya G
1 month ago
Reply to  AMAAN STORM
  1. It’s not the government’s decision, it’s the public broadcaster’s call. The resources come from the broadcaster’s budget (and sometimes sponsorships), like in most countries.
  2. Do you feel the same way about Ukraine’s participation since 2022?
Emily
Emily
1 month ago

I have to wonder. Don’t people here get that the more they uproar and put Israel in the headlines the more hype Israel gets and therefore has higher chances of winning the whole thing? Trust me, there’s more than enough people who will vote for them purely due to empathy over your hatred. You’re basically achieving the opposite.

Now that the decision of Israel’s participation is finalized you might as well get over it and just enjoy the show. Or just don’t watch it.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Emily

I think a lot of us will just ignore Israel’s bizarre participation this year.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

I wonder if you think the UK should also be banned this year, for attacking in Yemen

Chris
Chris
1 month ago

Speaking to Abba’s Björn Ulvaeus on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, for which the Swedish songwriter was acting as guest editor, Eurovision’s executive supervisor, Martin Österdahl, was asked if the decision to exclude Russia had been hard to make. He said: “It was, and it still is. How Europe feels very much affects the contest. “It is also that when you look back in time, you see that the Eurovision song contest is like a logbook of what has happened in Europe, what the trends have been in Europe. “But, also, what is the kind of mood and sentiment of… Read more »

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Chris

Waterloo 2024, Avada Kedavra,

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago

Just a light-hearted segue: I wonder who has the job of proofing all the ESC song’s lyrics for political content? (This is apparently an ESC regulation.)
P.S. I wasn’t asked. I might like the job in the future though.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

Is Jiminy Cricket available?

Alex
Alex
1 month ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

I saw on Reddit that they did in fact reject Israel’s initial song for 2024. It had ‘political’ lyrics.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Alex

Please, give us the proof. Actual proof, not something you saw on Reddit.
As far as we know, the Israeli delegation is still choosing a song and making sure, of course, it ain’t political.

Tino
Tino
1 month ago

Some comments here make me nauseous. The world is completely fu cked up.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago

Fine. May they come and may they have an awful experience. They should feel unwelcome. And before someone comes at me with the idea that the performer shouldn’t suffer the consequences… By agreeing to go, they know what they are doing and who they are representing. Even the thought that this is their chance to showcase their music in front of a wide audience is laughable, since it is just as likely if not more that they will ruin their career. And if their 3 minutes under the spotlight mean more to them than tens of thousands of murd3red children,… Read more »

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

Tldr; f*** Israel and its representative. You’re welcome

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

Lol..Another “genius” that is also an army expert that want to teach israel how you fight ter*or organisation that hides among civilians, in hospitals, mosques and school and force its citizens go stay in dangerous areas while israel is warning them to evacuate to.
You talk like israel out of the blue to sttack g@za, like nothing happaned on october 7….like israel is not killing h@m@s ter*orists..only childeren… if you are that stupid at least dont share it with everyone…you are a ter*or supporter that aims to teach the jewish ehat is morality, the jews invented the morality you clown

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

Israel is the terrorist organization

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

No and No Ha**mas is the terror organization ..Israel is a state.
Idio******t.

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

And you are tge stupid girl on earth so?

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

I actually thought this comment was somewhat serious until that absolute parody of the last sentence haha

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Mqe

When you will read the whole torah you will understand its not a parody, until then its better to keep your opinion to yourself

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

Now ask me what is torah…lol

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago

I would like to thank EBU director general Noel Curran for the clarification. KAN may well be a respectable member of the EBU, and that is good to know. However, the general viewing public will not see a broadcaster being presented on the stage. They will see a song title, Eden Golan’s name, and they will see the flag and the country name: Israel. Because of this representation of one’s country, the event can be seen an expression of patriotism. It is this expression that will be criticised, given the current circumstances. Moreover, rightly or wrongly, the event will likely… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

Bucks Fizz had an armed police unit with them at all times back in Dublin 1981. There was a bomb scare in the arena right before the 1997 contest. Security threats are not new, and HOPEFULLY something the EBU has considered in this case.

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

I guess we’ll be going to Harrogate instead of Malmö then? 😀

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Purple Mask

Ou est Harrogate?

Devito
Devito
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

To be honest, it’s even worse. Both EBU and Kan are ready to risk the safety of 37 delegates, hundreds of media guests, and thousands of spectators for the sake of one: making sure the Israeli propaganda is heard loud and clear.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Devito

We haven’t heard the act, yet, so I don’t necessarily agree that simply turning up is propaganda… but yeah, the EBU have never cared about that issue. Baku 2012. Here is Putin himself literally wandering around in person at the 2009 contest, visiting the press centre. Not intimidating at all.

https://youtu.be/8iPQ5eoLBFg?si=uO8Ee7bvjCOysfHc

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Devito

When yku surronder ti ter*or irganisations like h@m@s means that you invite them to do you the same, the mentality and madness in the middle east is not something you are familiar with…when you show weakness in the midfle east you are dead, thats why israel must win the war and win it big time..all the other muslim countries surrondung israel are watching the war and if they will feel weakness from israel response they will try to sttack israel as well…life is beatifull in europe? Well, do mind your own buisness and dont try to teach israel how you… Read more »

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Gil

Israel dos not deserve to exist. It is a terrorist apartheid state. Its neighbors should dismantle it.

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

Hey guys, look, The daughther of hitler is still alive….

Salmon the sardine
Salmon the sardine
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

I hope you are activists human rights when it comes also to Israeli women being r*aped by terrorists.

Or for yemen arabs by ki*lled by terrorists, or the curdis being bombed and ki*lled by te*rror Turkey regime.

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago

Someone forgot to disable the comment section lmao

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago
Reply to  Yuarith

William is no doubt watching us, with his finger on the “stop” button if we stray too far.

Doris
Doris
1 month ago

Jerusalem 2025

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Doris

If Eden will not win its not because of her or the song, everone knows that she will be the best singer at eurovision by far

Dennis
Dennis
1 month ago

I hate mixing my favourite feel good moment of the year with politics. The world can be an ugly place but during these 3 tv shows I just enjoy the show and the music. I am not ignorant, I am not naive, not pro or anti, this war only has losers, but can we please refrain from politics as much as possible? And WiWibloggs, I am a big fan and understand and support free speech, but maybe turn off the comments section regarding this topic? I know, a slippery slope, but I feel this only makes the divide bigger without… Read more »

Karl
Karl
1 month ago
Reply to  Dennis

“How dare people being gen0cided prevent me from blissfully reveling in my sheltered privilege where I don’t have to fear for my life or starve to de4ath? I just want to enjoy my favorite show in peace!! Turn off the comments so I don’t have to be disturbed with this nonsense that shouldn’t affect me at all.”

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

Ok H4m4s enabler

Katey
Katey
1 month ago
Reply to  Dennis

You said the quiet part out loud. You want to be able to enjoy ESC without having to think about an ongoing genocide. How sad for you that a genocide is getting in the way of your good time. I suppose you’re the real victim here.

Felix
Felix
1 month ago

Everyone, no matter where you’re from – please reach out to your broadcasters and ask them to protest this decision. Protest does matter. That was the real reason Russia was banned, not any “technical violations.” If you don’t have a national broadcaster participating, reach out to the EBU and SVT.

Felix
Felix
1 month ago

EBU thinking this is a good move is baffling. It’s one thing to stay silent, its another to try to defend this again and again. It only looks uglier the more they talk. Everyone knows Russia was not banned for technical violations, or they would’ve been banned many, many years ago. They were banned because the other participating broadcasters protested the Ukraine invasion. Israel’s Kan, as many have pointed out, have a good amount of violations up their sleeve, from broadcasting war propaganda to censoring journalism they don’t like. Hell, Israel stops any journalist they don’t like from going into… Read more »

Felix
Felix
1 month ago

Complete and utter nonsense. Russia was not banned for any named violations, or they would have a long time ago. They were banned because of pressure from other broadcasters amid the Ukraine invasion. Plenty broadcasters break the rules. Israeli KAN has used its competition to broadcast both war propaganda and admitted that the Israeli entry will exist to make the country look good in these “difficult times”. For that matter, press freedom seems to be something the EBU cares about, yet the many deaths of journalists by the IDF and the way Israel censors news about the war and doesn’t… Read more »

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Felix

AMEN
Thank you for showing
Wise words.

Mqe
Mqe
1 month ago
Reply to  Felix

Excellently put!

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago
Reply to  Felix

As I recall, Russia withdrew from the EBU. It was Belarus that was banned. My recollection is never at 100%, however.

Samo
Samo
1 month ago

Russia is an aggressor, Israel is a victim. I can’t comprehend how can anyone even compare the two. Banning Israel would be like banning Ukraine. An utter nonsense.

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago
Reply to  Samo

You lose your right to call yourself victim after killling thousands of innocent children and women. There is no excuse. You can go after h2mas all you want, but not in exhange of 2 terrorists for 200 children etc.Its pure evil

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Sometimes

The situation is messed up but its not as if H4m4s (G4z4 strip’s governing authority) cares about them either

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Yuarith

hey Bro. Thank you for speaking out.
Use the phrace District G indicating the occupied territories.
Easy way avoiding a moderator block.

Samo
Samo
1 month ago
Reply to  Sometimes

Right, so Palestini4ns aren’t victims. It’s funny how none of you confused pro-terrorism people mind Palestinians putting toddlers in oven, that’s quite alright in your world apparently.

Israel is restraining itself a lot, to fight this war in accordance with international law and reduce civilian casualties to the greatest extent possible.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Sometimes

Where do you get your numbers from? Just twisting reality…
There are thousands of H@mas people dead, don’t just take anything they say as holy.

Karl
Karl
1 month ago
Reply to  Samo

An occupier is not a victim.

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

Amzigh people, Phoenicians, Kurds, Coptic Egyptians, Sudanese people and others agree with your comment

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

Occupiet? Lol…how can jewd be occupiers on the land if israel? Lol…what you are saying is that israel never had kingdoms on this land way before tge name palestine wad invented(btw by the romman empire that expeled the jews from their land)…like there is no bible that says clearly to whom tnis land belongs to…you are so dumb its embarracing, but i guess that its not that you dont know it, now go to sleep littler N@zi

Samo
Samo
1 month ago
Reply to  Karl

There’s no occupation.

Katey
Katey
1 month ago
Reply to  Samo

The fourth largest army in the world, backed by the US, UK and UN vs an indigenous resistance militia. Israel is absolutely not the victim. 75 years of occupation and apartheid is violence.

The Voice of Reason
The Voice of Reason
1 month ago

Rules for Russia but not for the Russian-Israeli

Troy
Troy
1 month ago

Israel did a massive mistake when they gave G@Z@ to the p@lestinians in 2005.. they need to return to G@Z@ asap and clean that area from terr0rists!

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

How many are still left?
Just wait a few weeks.
They could be done by than.
Just enough time marketing a nice Lala Love and Peace song on the ESC24 stage.

Could work?

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago

I swear if they will send some kind of “peace” song like Polina did back in the day(that fooled so many, didnt fool me though),
i feel like throwing up even thinking about it

Bejba
Bejba
1 month ago

Cancel Eurowision Permently If Izrael Competed Or Make A New Eurowision Without Them

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

Shut up little hitler

Bejba
Bejba
1 month ago

Izrael Does Not Ewen Care For There Own Hostages . Shame EBU God Is Watching And Juging You For This Sin , Same To All Who Supoort This Evil Empire

Bejba
Bejba
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

The Majorty Of Peoples Have Brains And Harts And We Know The Evil Being Comited By Izrael . Izrael And Ukraine There The Same And Want To Destroy There Enemys Completly . Its Called GENOSIDE

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

Don’t compare Ukraine to Israel.
Israel is doing genocide in Palestine.
Ukraine is protecting their land from Russia who feels they will never have enough of land, Ukraine is fighting for many of us in eastern europe, cause we know once Ukraine is fallen we are next to be taken by Russia.

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

Don’t compare Ukraine to Izrael.
Izrael is doing genozide in Palestine.
Ukraine is protecting their land from Russia who feels they will never have enough of land, Ukraine is fighting for many of us in eastern europe, cause we know once Ukraine is fallen we are next to be taken by Russia.

Sometimes
Sometimes
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

100%

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Bejba

No brain, no worries its your definition

Sun
Sun
1 month ago

OMG! I read comments and I want to believe that they are not aware of what they write, which I already read in the last history but now from the other side and that really saddens the soul.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago

I heard interviews of Israelis, they want the war to continue until H@m@s is destroyed, they don’t care what the world thinks. And about Eurovision? They feel that they have won by the fact that they are even participating in this year’s contest despite all the attempts to ban Israel. 🙂

Troy
Troy
1 month ago

Israel can lose in world’s public opinion, but Israel cannot lose in the war against H@m@s, Israel’s enemies will see it as a weakness and attack it as well, and that’s why Israel prefers to lose in public opinion but not lose itself. There will always be hatred for Israel and the Jews anyway.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

Are you having some kind of episode? You’ve posted 3 bizarre rants in a row screaming about Isreal not caring about what anyone thinks of their actions but you really seem to care an awful lot.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

They don’t… but.. I care.. 🙂
It’s hard for you to read the truth.. I know.. that’s why I’m here..

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

If you don’t care what anyone thinks of Isreal’s actions and it’s just israel against the world and blah blah blah why do you keep commenting the same things again and again? Clearly you care a lot what Europe thinks about you.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

I DO CARE… but they don’t 🙂

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

If they didn’t care they wouldn’t be pushing so hard to participate.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

They are not “pushing”, they just don’t want be banned because of a war that they don’t even start.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

If one has been planting a seed once.
Harvest could be expected sooner or later.

Even if the results are sour fruits or rotten.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

Im wondering why Israel is also commiting raids, arrests and mayhem with the peoples on the West Bank, bombing targets in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon.

Do they have tunnels there as well?

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Fizzpunk

Bebause h@m@s exist also there maybe?
Did you know that if there were elections in the west bank h@m@s would win?
Thats exactly why you dont have elections in the west bank…

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

This has nothing to do with jewish people and everything to do with israel’s crimes.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago

OMG! She is sooo stunning! Our ESC 2024 Winner!!! 🙂
She is AMAZING! On another level!! LOVE HER!!

Musiclover
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

Shes only waling and screening OOOOAAOO al the time. Israels song its bad

Gil
Gil
1 month ago
Reply to  Musiclover

Lol…the song wasnt even released…and i am sorry for but Eden will be tge best singer at eurovision this year and by for…we are talking here on world wide star potensial, not just another singer..wait and see…

Devito
Devito
1 month ago

We need a new vision without an EBU reference group. If A can be banned or pushed into dismissal for murdering hundreds, so shall B be banned from participating in killing thousands. And I don’t even care if H*mas is using civilians as a shield. That’s simply not an excuse to kill thousands of children and women. Imagine Nazis saying, “We’re only killing those Jews who support terr0rists”, and then killing millions in the process. I mean, history will repeat itself despite us living in a digital era, mark my words.

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Devito

You dont care about more than 1400 Israelis who murderd By Ham*as and the Israeli hostages taken by monsters.
We care and i dont care about your disgusting opinion.

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Maybe the EBU should also ban pepole like you who support Terrori**sts like Ha**mas I**si**s

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

@devito

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

The EBU doesnt ban anyone quickly.
You must understand that by now I guess?

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Flip that, and ask yourself do YOU care about the thousands of P alestinians m urdered by Israel and the P alestinian hostages taken by Israeli forces, held without trial.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

Both are valid questions.

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

No i dont, becouse palestinian also praticipated and support Ham*as isi*is. They want to kill every jew and Israeli and destroy israel, thats their agenda.
I do care about innocent pepole and the IDF doing a lot to not attack innocents.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

You are contradicting yourself.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Yeah, thats why there are 28.000 killed humans in District G after 4 months? Because they took care……………………..

They really do care isnt it?
Its a beautifull picknick in the park.

Hope the IDF can distributed portable radios to the displaced, hungry, sick and traumatized 1.000.000 + citizens in district G.
So they can listen to the United by Music Lalala Peace message of ESC 24.

Maybe that could turn them into better human?
So they can carry on their suffering with a more enlightened heart an soul.

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Fizzpunk

Do you really believe H4m4s’s made up figures you clown?

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Yuarith

No I dont believe figures published are made up? I dont understand your question?

And why calling me a clown? Did i call you names?

If you arent able having a decent talk with me. I wont use any more time reacting.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

All the IOF do is attach innocents. All Israel wants do do is kill all arabs. The pal e stinian people only want to be allowed to live in their homes. You are a liar or a hypocrite but regardless history will revile you and yours. That is what you will have to live with you miserable piece of garbage.

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

they aren’t “P@lestinian hostages” they are criminals that did terror in Israel, that’s why they in jail.. but you right on on thing.. Israel need to kill all those terrorist next time and not let them live in their jail cells.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

YEAH, bring back the Quillotines…………….

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Troy

Ah yes all the imprisiond children held without trial. Guilty because you decided. Go f yourself

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

This excludes five people, among them four Israelis, still listed as missing by the prime minister’s office

source France24.com

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Fizzpunk

The numbers are not relevent! If a country is attaced by terro*r group it should do everything to protect itself.
Like The U.S did after 09/11.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Ati, do you post here under any other names?

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

So confronted with official published numbers of the mortal victems on israeli side its suddenly not relevant? Those attacks were horrendous indeed and nothing or nobody can justify this by any means. The same applies for the 09/11 attacks. But as a matter of fact the numbers of innocent humans killed in both counterattacks dont lie either. There has been also global concerns amd outrage on the USA approch back than. And rightly so. So may onslaught has happenend for many years. USA pres. J Biden has stated in a speech recently about this period that he thought the USA… Read more »

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

You do know that most people would agree that the US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were a terrible idea now right?

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

Also, Iraq particularly had very little if anything at all to do with Sept 11. Bush Junior just used it as excuse to finish his father’s war from a decade earlier.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

With morons like Tony Blair jumping aboard based on nothing but sympathy and goodwill. Rationale was irrelevant. We should be more like Chirac here.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

The whole western geo politics back in that time has been proven truly attrocious. No wonder much more anti western sentiment have been risen in many areas across the planet. And gues who are stepping in?? Russia and China.

Yuarith
Yuarith
1 month ago
Reply to  Fizzpunk

Indeed that’s messed up too, rxssia and chyna are as bad as the west was two decades ago

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

The Israeli people care about the hostages, but the government doesn’t, they could have them back tomorrow if they wanted, but then Bibi would have to give up his power over the emergency government.

Ask yourself that, why isn’t the government doing everything they can do get them back? Why are they continuing to bomb the areas they are held in?

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Maybe if the israelis hadnt pushed all the natives of that land into concentration camps, they would not have been attacked? Just a thought

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

So you’re justifying the actions of H@mas on October 7th. Thanks for showing your true self.

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Devito

Your comment show how ignorant you are.
You just suggest to give a prize to a terr**or group.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Ati

Please, stop calling people who react on what you post but are on the other side of your spectrum as dumb, ignorant, anti semtic or nasie.

Some more space in understanding even its a try in our differences, will help you beter in listening to the others.

Haters gonna hate has become a hollow (hehehe TY Don) One liner……………………!!

Jo.
Jo.
1 month ago

i don’t know why they are so insistent about this…
israel should just sit out this year, honestly. things are too tense and there will be security threats. stay out, it will be better for everyone

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Jo.

How about we condemn those who wish to harm the Israeli delegation instead of telling them to sit out?
What are you saying? We should tell women to stay home so they wouldn’t get assaulted by strangers? Come on…
They insist on it because Israel has no problem competing this year, that’s all.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

But if I insist beating my wife, as she treated on me, my kids as they put my slippers out of sight.
Or hitting my dog as he pooped in the bedroom.

The whole neighbourhood is withness of this and speaking words about it.

I got their invitation of the their summerBBQ tho in my mailbox.
Only not many feel comfortable me having there.

What would be the most wise decision and solution in this case??

Just asking for a friend.

Nils
Nils
1 month ago
Reply to  Jo.

That’s a bit of victim blaming, isn’t it? If the Israeli delegation or even the whole event is threatened in Malmö, Sweden and the EBU should rather keep an eye on those who make these threats instead of giving in and letting violence win over democracy, right?

Karl
Karl
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

“victim blaming”
The chutzpah!

Liam Lindsay
Liam Lindsay
1 month ago

I want Israel to compete, I have no qualms or quarrels with them competing. However, if their competing puts others at risk due to security concerns then that’s an entirely different scenario that should be judged accordingly. My main concern is how this is going to be judged and voted upon, I don’t want people voting for the Israeli entry just because of October 7th. I want people to vote for Israel and for all countries competing based on the package presented to us on the Stage in Malmo, not predicating it beforehand based on domestic issues, strife, tragedies etc.… Read more »

Liam Lindsay
Liam Lindsay
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay
Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay

As an Israeli, thank you. I don’t want political votes. Not ignoring us because of the war and not voting for us because of the war. Unfortunately, I think you and I are a minority here, as people are ready to fight for their lives against Israel in the contest, as if it’s going to help anyone… I will say though, with how good Stefania is, it did win thanks to the war, and the proof is the huge televote score. Israel will not win this year, probably, and it’s ok, I just want people to remember that hating on… Read more »

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

I hope a lot of people will take the approach of just ignoring their participation. There is no need to target the artist, but simply turning around during the performance and meeting it with silence would be a more powerful message than abuse or booing.

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

How? It will do absolutely nothing.
It will only help the haters of Israel.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

Why do you childishly dismiss any criticism of Isreal as coming from “haters”?

It sends the message “You are not welcome anymore, we will not engage with you”

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

I’m not saying anything is hatred, I’m saying that ignoring Israel in Eurovision will only benefit the haters.
It won’t help the Palestinians, for example.
Don’t put words in my mouth.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

It would send the message to Palestinians that the world is not in the mood to celebrate Isreal – and we are not ignoring their suffering. Isreal is blocking most aid to them, so how are we supposed to take any other actions?

Roy Moreno
Roy Moreno
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

Hundreds of trucks with humanitarin aid are entering Gaza on a daily basis, what are you talking about?

Liam Lindsay
Liam Lindsay
1 month ago
Reply to  Roy Moreno

Thank you for seeing this and look after yourself whether you are in Israel or not being one is incredibly dangerous right now, look after yourself and know you are loved.

We are all human, We all deserve the same respect, Israeli, Palestinian, everyone. We all have that right to be treated fairly.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay

Hear, hear!

Wise words, Liam.

Ati
Ati
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay

Thanks from Israel

Nils
Nils
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay

„I don’t want people voting for the Israeli entry just because of October 7th.“

I totally understand that. But don’t forget … RÚV is actively aiming for such pity votes in order to win, even despite having nothing to do with the conflict.

So … there’ll be a lot of political voting going this year anyway. But I don’t think it will determine the winner.

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

So Palestinians can’t even participate in national finals without being accused of trying to win “pity votes”? Nice.

Liam Lindsay
Liam Lindsay
1 month ago
Reply to  Nils

I disagree with that. RUV are using Bashar Murad as a shock value contestant, it’s like a gimmick to them, a really selfish, incredibly poor inappropriate taste gimmick. The Icelandic broadcaster knew of the attacks and chose Bashar to compete in Songvakeppnin 2024 to make a big drama about it. RUV knew entirely the impact this would cause and is milking it for all its worth. I hope that Hera Bjork wins it as at least we will have a queen amongst the rabble. I do feel sorry for Bashar as his ethnicity is being used as a gimmick in… Read more »

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Liam Lindsay

The implication is that no Palestinian can compete in Eurovision this year because they just want “pity votes” – yet I don’t see people criticising Ukrainians competing to represent Sweden or Latvia, it’s just very selective outrage.

Fizzpunk
Fizzpunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Rory

It is.
But hey they arent the ‘Chosen Ones”………………………………………

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago

Funny that the EBU DG is married to a Eurovision winner, who won with a hugely political song. “Bring me your peace, and my wounds, they will heal…”

Jason
Jason
1 month ago

I wonder if SVT / EBU will have their canned applause and cheering ready to play over the boos from the audience in Malmo

Troy
Troy
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason

OMG! This is a great idea!! 🙂

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago

It’s a union of broadcasters, so let’s assess the broadcaster. Do they cover events accurately and fairly, with a healthy range of opinions? Does Bibi and his cabinet get the criticism they so richly deserve?

Actual question.

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

Even if the broadcaster operates independently of the government (which it doesn’t) Eurovision in reality is far from being a contest for broadcasters. Eden will perform in May with the word “Israel” in the bottom left corner of every viewer’s TV screen not the word “KAN”.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

Right, but public service broadcast and press reportage, investigative journalism are a crucial part of a healthy democracy… punishing KAN might only serve to HELP Bibi and his cronies?

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

I have seen multiple cases of KAN propagandizing. There’s a whole account in Twitter devoted to publishing such instances. Even if they are against Bibi himself that doesn’t mean they don’t actively advocate in favour of exterminating the P@lestinians

ThorBeta
ThorBeta
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

And? Do you want Israel banned from the Olympics too for the same reasons?

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  ThorBeta

Yes

ThorBeta
ThorBeta
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

Understandable now that you’ve explained it. What was your position about banning Serbia in the 90s? And how about Turkey after the invasion in Cyprus in the 70s? Or Russia after the invasion in Georgia in 2008? Or in Crimea in 2014? And these are just examples from Europe. I’m just curious to hear how you think.

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  ThorBeta

Okay, my full opinion and it’s a long one: There have been many cases when citizens of a country have been (unjustly) harmed in a worldwide level because of the actions of their governments. This goes way back, but more recent examples include the impoverishment of Germany through the treaty of Versailles after World War I that led to the rise of N@zism and the horrific sanctions imposed on Iraq during and after the Gulf War that led to millions of indirect deaths and culminated with the disgusting invasion in 2003 that was one of the first events that triggered… Read more »

Rory
Rory
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

Great comment!

ThorBeta
ThorBeta
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

Thank you for the reply and mostly for the fact you have arguments. I tried a longer reply but it’s awaiting approval so to keep it shorter: I agree with how bans have more risks than benefits, so there’s a contradiction in your answer. If you are aware of the risks, I don’t understand how you think that isolating Israel will actually help P@lestinians (who’ve been unhelped for decades from all sides). Or in other words if you’re against isolation and bans: why Israel and why now? And why does the “West” need to impose the sanctions? Isn’t according to… Read more »

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  ThorBeta

As I said, firstly it’s a matter of having or not having double standards. If we are to consider bans as a proper way to deal with countries that engage in criminal actions then that should be the case even for our allies. In all fairness, bans from such events are a symbolic way to show we are against what’s happening. Of course I am not talking about sanctions against people, like disruption of free trade or measures that could harm them like what happened in Iraq. But cutting off military aid that’s been given mostly by the US but… Read more »

ThorBeta
ThorBeta
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

I still can’t follow your rationale completely. On your previous message you explained how isolationism propagates extremism and revancism and now you’re requesting bans for symbolic reasons? Is it just a question of ethics or a real problem? And if we agree that it’s a real problem that no ban will ever solve, why is only the West responsible? Who armed H@mas? And for what purpose? Isn’t that double standards? Or are you then gonna defend Israel after being attacked? And having said double standards who are you comparing Israel with to call out double standards in the first place?… Read more »

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  ThorBeta

H@mas isn’t being arme