Picture: Ruud Janssen for AVROTROS/EBU

The Wiwi Jury — our in-house team of music unprofessionals — is reviewing and rating the 37 competing songs in Eurovision 2024. Next we review the Netherlands, who have chosen Joost Klein with “Europapa”.

Have we found our new European daddy? Read on to find out!

Joost Klein – “Europapa” (Netherlands Eurovision 2024)

Review: Joost Klein – “Europapa”

Simon: Being young in the ’90s (19, not 18!), this entry reminds me a lot of the dance music we had back then. I’m not a gabber or techno fan normally, but “Europapa” is just so catchy that I can’t help stomp my feet every time my playlist shuffles to it. I love that it takes on the Dutch traditions of dance music — and what would Eurovision be if there wasn’t at least one entry that just made you a bit happy along the way. The clever balance of not being too hardcore to cater for a more broad audience is clearly working with the insane amount of streams the song has, and I could see this as a contender for winning at least the public vote.

Score: 8.5

Deban: Whilst “Europapa” may seem like a fun spin on “Euro Neuro” on first listen, the song’s message is riddled with hope. Autobiographical in concept, this year’s Dutch entrant is living the lyrics of his song by participating at Eurovision, and navigating the continent’s musical landscape. That said, moments within this track feel misguided. And although Joost Klein can rock any look, wearing the European flag takes the visuals here into literal territory.

Score: 5.5

Ruxandra: This song holds the potential to win and could become a Eurovision anthem. Joost masterfully incorporates beloved elements popular in Eurovision (catchy choruses with repetitions, easy dances etc.), offering a delightful mix of everything the contest stands for. It’s fun and enjoyable, yet it maintains a genuine and serious undertone, even amidst the joyful delivery. The placement of the dance break is well-executed, and keeping the outro would be essential as it seamlessly blends fun and energy with genuine emotion. Joost impressively performs both the chorus and rap sections flawlessly, with maximum charisma.

Score: 10

Youyou: Over the last few years of the competition, many countries are finally realising that the so-called standard “Eurovision pop” might get you to the final, but it won’t get you to the top. Most of the songs that have done well are new and unusual. This year, the Netherlands have done just that. “Europapa” has been running through my head on loop, plus the intention of the song is great. I’m a little worried that the jury vote will kill the song though.

Score: 7

Netherlands Eurovision 2024 ranking

In the Eurovision 2024 Wiwi Jury, we have 17 jurors but only have room for four reviews. The remaining scores are below:

Antranig: 4

Cinan: 9

Georgia: 9

Jonathan: 7

Lucy: 7

Pablo: 7.5

Ron: 5

Scarlett: 7

Sebastian: 7

Suzanne: 6.5

Tom: 7

Tomas: 10

William: 8

We have removed the highest and lowest scores prior to calculating the average. This is to remove outliers and potential bias. We have removed a low of 4 and a high of 10.

Wiwi Jury verdict: 7.40/10

What do you think of the Netherlands’ Eurovision 2024 entry? Share your own score and review for Joost Klein’s “Europapa” below!

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Dominic
Dominic
1 month ago

NETHERLANDS – After several years of sending some of the best English-language ESC songs in the 2010s, they took a risk with finally sending a song in Dutch in 2022. After it scored well and had a positive fan-response, they did it again.  However, apart from the language, their new entry has very little in common with Die diepte. Europapa is uptempo, with a constantly pulsating beat, and a very catchy hook. It’s somewhat reminiscent of the 90s Eurodance songs, but with a modern twist. The only other aspects the two entries share is that they’re both telling a personal… Read more »

Michael
Michael
1 month ago

This song is just good example of low-quality, circus-like and trash song 🙁 I hope this entry wouldn’t be in top5 because there are at least much better songs than this like Italy, Croatia, Switzerland and Belgium.

Cos
Cos
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

Did it ever occur to you that some other who love this song . If you don’t like it stay away from it, simple as that, we be glad not to have you here criticize and downvoting this song like thousands of times. There’s still 36 choices out there and feel free to pick you favorite

Henry
Henry
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

You already made your point about 10 times at this article.. we know you hate it and we know that you hope it will flop.. but we shall see what happens..

rdd
rdd
1 month ago

come on people, it’s wiwi jury. Handing out 10’s to the most average stuff and not in tune with vibes outside the eurobubble. Never forget this 4.4 out of 10, that turned out number 2 behind a hugely hyped message. We will see in May. https://wiwibloggs.com/2014/04/05/netherlands-jury-reviews-common-linnets/43619/

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
1 month ago
Reply to  rdd

Check!!
“its now or never!!”

Jessica Folcker
Jessica Folcker
1 month ago
Reply to  rdd

Common Linnets should have won that year!

Nix
Nix
1 month ago

He plays now on Kaaria, so low. Song is stupid. One of the worst this year. Even he is so annoying in that blue suit

musica
musica
1 month ago
Reply to  Nix

He doesn’t play on Käärijä, they are friends. In fact Käärijä heard the song before Joost was even picked to represent the Netherlands. It seems the Euro fandom is so focused on hate and negativity, they don’t understand the concept of friendship.

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  musica

People who advocate for love and peace are often the first people to spread hate. Eurovision Bubble is a great example of this.

Despicable Annie
Despicable Annie
1 month ago

This would be the most worthy winner in my opinion. It’s very representative of all of Europe, it’s fun, and hella catchy. The Netherlands have one of the best full packages this year.

Iván el Conquistador
Iván el Conquistador
1 month ago

This song was number one not just in Netherlands, but also in Belgium. When was the last time an Eurovision song was the number one hit in two different countries before the rehearsals?

Michael
Michael
1 month ago

Quite normal to be N1 in belgium as Netherlands and Belgium are neighbouring countries.

musica
musica
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

Not normal at all, in fact it has never happened before that a Dutch Eurovision entry is no. 1 in Belgium before the contest even starts. Joost also hasn’t had a no. 1 hit in the Netherlands before (not even close). He did in Germany, but not in the Netherlands or Belgium 🙂

Oy oy
Oy oy
1 month ago

Whn you get into the song and the vibe, «Europapa» is catchy as h*ll! 🙂 But it took me some listenings before I got there and had also heard this from many others. Maybe it’s not instant enough! Good luck, it would be really cool with at Dutch win again!

Camellia
Camellia
1 month ago

14th place – Netherlands (personal ranking) The very first time I listened to this song, I legit was like “Wtf is this”. I thought it was not good and I found it annoying, just couldn’t understand how people liked it. However some time passed by and I showed the song to my mum. She liked it and for some reason I then began liking it too. I often find myself singing it quietly and I never skip it on Spotify. The point is, the song isn’t bad at all, but I think there are people like me out there who… Read more »

Purple Mask
Purple Mask
1 month ago

The Netherlands “Europapa” is my No. 5 in ESC 2024. Since there has already been extensive discussion about this song’s music and meaning in many platforms, I’ll keep my opinion short: I really like the 90s childhood memories, the gabber music Drop, the touching story and the devastating Outro. I have heard that Joost is apparently awesome on stage, so I think this one is poised to do well.

Héctor
Héctor
1 month ago

This is my biggest grower of the season. I was not feeling it at first, as I dismissed it for being too novelty or trying to follow the “Cha Cha Cha” wave. However, “Europapa” has been climbing up my top during the last month. Like “Cha Cha Cha” before it has taken time for me to realised the work and the concept behind. I think this song has the potential to appeal both the televote and the jury if they appeal to the Pan-European sentiment. It feels like an anthem and the added eurotecnho/eurodance melodies from the late 90s-early 00s… Read more »

Héctor
Héctor
1 month ago
Reply to  Héctor

1. Lithuania (8,75/10) 2. Czechia (8.25/10) 3. Ireland (8/10) 4. Spain (7.75/10) 5. Norway (7.5/10) 6. Ukraine (7.5/10) 7. Belgium (7.25/10) 8. San Marino (7.25/10) 9. The Netherlands (7.25/10) 10. Sweden (7.25/10) 11. Poland (7/10) 12. Austria (7/10) 13. United Kingdom (7/10) 14. France (6.75/10) 15. Australia (6.75/10) 16. Finland (6.75/10) 17. Greece (6.75/10) 18. Azerbaijan (6.75/10) 19. Armenia (6.75/10) 20. Slovenia (6.75/10) 21. Serbia (6.5/10) 22. Portugal (6.25/10) 23. Georgia (6/10) 24. Denmark (6/10) 25. Germany (6/10) 26. Israel (6/10) 27. Italy (5.75/10) 28. Moldova (5.5/10) 29. Latvia (5/10) 30. Malta (4.25/10) 31. Luxembourg (4/10) 32. Cyprus (4/10) 33.… Read more »

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago

It seems that this song has touched people the right or wrong way! First I heard this I thought what dug is this… hearing it again after the explanation, he deserves to win! I even bet on him to win! Let’s hope he does wel even when he’s bot winning, still my hero
When he wins, I will be there in Rotterdam doing the whole show over and let Rotterdam have the big party the didn’t get due to COVID and I’ll be there working as as a volunteer again! So vote for Joost and Rotterdam! ?

Basti
Basti
1 month ago

If there is one song that could unite Europe. Its this one. This gonna be such a wild fun ride. Cant wait for his performance. Im 100% sure people at home will enjoy this. Especially now, looking at whats happening in the world, people will appreciate something that brings a smile upon their face. Something fun and light. This is a serious contender guys, you know it.

Mike Ahern
Mike Ahern
1 month ago

This has been bothering me all day so I had to come back and comment. Deban says parts of the song are “misguided”. That is an incredible display of condescension. It annoyed me when I read it first but the more I think of it, the more disappointed I am by such an arrogant statement. It’s fine if you don’t like the song, but don’t question the artist to that degree.

Lewis
Lewis
1 month ago

I can take or leave this. Its got a catchy vibe, and he himself is a quirky artist, seems likable. But the song just doesn’t get me going anywhere – my mind is at anime game song. It’s grown on me slowly and I don’t dislike this as much. Just not my taste.
Score 3.5/10

Sally
Sally
1 month ago

What concerns me is that in multiple live performances I’ve seen, the ‘backing track’ was carrying large chunks of the lead vocals and he was just adding ad libs and accentuating bits. If he brings that to the Eurovision stage he will get no votes from me.

And neither will any other act that does the same thing.

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Sally

Kaleen want her backing recordings back……………………………..

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago

Joost is like a Pied Piper, leading the good people of Netherlands away from evil rat Geert Wilders.

Mark dowd
Mark dowd
1 month ago

Europapa is the “Agadoo” of ESC 2024…

https://youtu.be/POv-3yIPSWc?si=nQuydooqmY75fXyL

And that’s being kind.

Dimitri
Dimitri
1 month ago

7.40??? Is this a joke???

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Dimitri

Indeed underrated

Mike Ahern
Mike Ahern
1 month ago
Reply to  Dimitri

Scandalously low score.

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Dimitri

Yas, precisly, should have been higher indeed!

Ron
Ron
1 month ago
Reply to  Dimitri

You are absolutely right, TWELVE POINTS GO TO THE ?? NETHERLANDS 🙂

Vivian
Vivian
1 month ago

Back when Joost was first announced I really thought AVOTROS had lost the plot. “An entry like this would surely revert our country’s status back to the era of the Toppers and Sieneke” I thought. And oh how wrong I was. Being a native Dutch speaker the lyrics are easy to understand for me of course, so the message it bore was one I caught on quickly, and for a song in a genre I normally find extremely obnoxious, this one surprisingly does its job well without becoming too annoying or excessive. It has that typical Eurovision wackiness but still… Read more »

Eyal
Eyal
1 month ago
Reply to  Vivian

Toppers and Sieneke were not an istant TikTok act. Social media and new young viewers of ESC have a serious influence on the contest results. And, of course, this song is much better than some songs the Netherlands chose during the 2000’s and 2010’s.

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
1 month ago
Reply to  Eyal

Sieneke was such a joyful act. She sung perfectly.
Very dutch.

I think in these days she would have gotten much more attention?.
The epic dutch streetorgan. ( hollandse draaiorgel) would have gone viral.

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
1 month ago
Reply to  FizzPunk

*barrel organ

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago
Reply to  FizzPunk

Sieneke, didn’t have a good staging! The song is catchy and I like it! Most Dutch don’t until in a pub and it’s a big hit!
I would have put on some dancers with represent all the countries mentioned! Because the music was good for a dancing show!

Andrew
Andrew
1 month ago

What a nasty thing to say. Has it made you feel better about yourself?

Kor
Kor
1 month ago
Reply to  Andrew

Well he thinks he is fab… so he is obviously narcissistic….

Tunes
Tunes
1 month ago

Love Joost and the song. Especially because it reflects the way I felt growing up. Happy on the outside and lonely on the inside. I speak Dutch (I’m not Dutch myself), so it helps me connect with the song even more. Love the aesthetics and his other music too. Even if you feel indifferent or even annoyed by this song, what matters is that it makes other people feel something. That’s what matters at Eurovision and that’s what gives you votes.
10/10 from me

Gosh
Gosh
1 month ago

I find it too toady to Martin Osterdahl and big countries. Too cheap strategy tricks. Besides that the song is great for kids birthdays.

Basti
Basti
1 month ago

I love it. Im all for the good vibes and this song and Joost are giving me that. It doesnt take itself too serious and yet, there is a beautiful message behind the song. I love the nostalgic feel to it. This is definitely a contender. I do expect it to finish 2nd behind The Code.

Michael
Michael
1 month ago

Good energy but the song is just childish and trash; he just tries to garner Public support meeting with Kaarija 🙁
I hope this song will be underscored by juries because it is just trash and low quality song 🙁

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

“He just tries to garner Public support meeting with Kaarija.”

They’re just friends.

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago
Reply to  GojoSatoru

They’re just friends….since Kaaria scored 2nd place on esc. He’s meeting him right before esc and possibly will include him in his performance. Wonder why he won’t include some other friends.

Minime
Minime
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

🙂 He will include his other friends on stage!

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

Ah, just because Kaarija got 2nd, they can’t be friends…

Basides, Kaarija was the one who came with the idea of meeting up, not Joost.

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago
Reply to  GojoSatoru

Ur either naive or dutch. Or both.

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

You are just a schizo.

Seddik
Seddik
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

Get your facts straight. His long time friends Appie Mussa and Martijn van Eijzeren are confirmed to be on stage with him. Gover Meit, another friend, will be his creative director. They were all in the video.

Käärijä and Joost are buddies too. They met last year and Käärijä campaigned for Joost to be the Dutch entry. He also provided feedback for Europapa before Joost submitted the song to the Dutch selection committee. And for Käärijä joining him on stage: that’s nothing but a rumor for now.

Marlinken
Marlinken
1 month ago

If I’m honest, I like it because of what he brings to it more than the song itself. If it were sung by someone else it would be a disaster. It’s Joost that elevates it. With a good performance, this will be a serious challenge to Croatia and Ukraine in the televote.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago

Gold star!

Jessica Folcker
Jessica Folcker
1 month ago

I wasn’t too keen on this track when it first came out. Switched it off after a minute. But after seeing a few interviews and realising how sweet and funny Joost is, plus seeing a clip on Instagram with that No Limit-esque drop of which I wasn’t aware, I got obsessed with Europapa.

Darren
Darren
1 month ago

I have found myself humming this song on occasion throughout my day. It is an ear worm there is no denying that.

Presentation wise, I’m not into novelty acts, but it probably is one of the better novelty acts this year.
Televote will love this, juried won’t so much I expect.

Mike Ahern
Mike Ahern
1 month ago
Reply to  Darren

Using the term “novelty act” does this song a massive disservice.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Ahern

Yeah, I think so. Beyoncé, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus do all sort of outrageous stuff but are never dismissed as novelty.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

They probably should be.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

Arguably. Beyoncé’s country schtick, for example.

Emily
Emily
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Ahern

Placing this in the same league as, say, Dustin the Turkey… definitely a disservice.

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Mike Ahern

And a complete misunderstanding of how Joost has built his act up over a number of years – he has a huge degree of credibility

Emily
Emily
1 month ago

13) Netherlands – I’ll admit that I was pretty disappointed with this on first listen, but this has gradually risen in my top and I really like it. The energy is great, Joost is full of personality and the beat nearer the end is very enjoyable. All ending with a sad tribute to his father, that I didn’t understand at first but now I do. While I don’t consider this a winner, I still think it’ll do great and maybe it’ll exceed my expectations. 8/10

ANDREW BROWN
ANDREW BROWN
1 month ago

I enjoy this song so much. The public will too. However juries mmm. Can’t wait to see the staging.

Ivars
Ivars
1 month ago

I really disliked this when I first heard it. Now I am hooked! I don’t see this anywhere near the top of the jury vote, and in the popular vote it will fight over support with Croatia. 5th place overall? 8/10

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ivars

I also was not a huge fan at first, but then the parental backstory suckered me into taking it seriously and then I saw the light.

Eurogambler
Eurogambler
1 month ago

I see that Joost has a strong following of dedicated, motivated and vocal fans, that are detached from reality. Outside of this core audience, the mainstream support isn’t there.

Everyone is talking about him winning the televote, but I fear it will be a disappointing night for the Netherlands.

Toine
Toine
1 month ago
Reply to  Eurogambler

Detached from reality? The reality is that Europapa is since it,s release the most streamed 2024 Eurovision entry every day , even if you take out the streams from NL and Be it is still the most streamed one. ( almost 40 million streams) 20 million YouTube views and 3rd with the bookies.. this is not only coming from the Joost fan bubble. Of course we have to wait for the results but it’s safe to say that NL will do well with the televote this year. And besides that other countries with high expectations can also be disappointed, because… Read more »

BbTt
BbTt
1 month ago
Reply to  Toine

Most streamed literally means nothing nowadays when it comes to the points. It’s likel that bunch of those views are from the Netherlands. Also, one view ? one person, plus not all of those people will vote.
Just look at “Snap”.

Eurogambler
Eurogambler
1 month ago
Reply to  Toine

I have no doubt that the high streams are from a large, dedicated fanbase that are streaming multiple times a day and that’s not a bad thing, but it doesn’t translate to votes. This is evident in the OGAE and INFE results we’re seeing.

musica
musica
1 month ago
Reply to  Eurogambler

It’s funny how you see actual streams in the real world as meaningless, and OGAE results as “mainstream”. The complete opposite from reality. Europapa was a massive hit in Belgium, but the Belgian OGAE barely gave it any points. That’s the difference between the mainstream and the Euro bubble.

IsJaden
IsJaden
1 month ago
Reply to  musica

‘Is’ a massive hit in Belgium. First 5 weeks at #1 – dethroned by Beyonce but sitting tightly at #2 for 2 weeks now. See this rising back to 1 once Eurovision starts

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  musica

Yup. OGAE Bubble in 2021: Gave Malta the most points.
Televote in 2021: Only 50 points for Malta.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Eurogambler

Dedicated fanbases vote A LOT.

ESC ex fan
ESC ex fan
1 month ago

You know what, I sincerely hope Joost wins. This is an awesome feel good song which is well produced and is something different. I am tired of 1) the same Eurovision ballad 2) the same weirdo ESC artist 3) the same political ESC song. Let’s have a gabber winner this year and maybe nezt year we have a latino song winner so can mix things up a bit.

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago

I feel like this dude is convinced he’s winning the whole thing. And with rumours coming out that he’ll bring Kaaria onto stage with him and other marketing gimmicks I’m getting drawn away. Like, whats next, Loreen flying onto stage for Switzerland. The song is fun, but considering the Lasagna was a sole producer of his song in every aspect and seems way more humble I’m hoping he’ll win the televote.

The Voice of Reason
The Voice of Reason
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

Yea yeah fire? More like yeah yeah BASED

Annemarie
Annemarie
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

Kaairja on the stage with Joost? Where did you get that idea. So not true. They are friends for a year now, not just now.

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago
Reply to  Annemarie

The internet and his dutch fans. Either that or Kaaria appearing on screen. For a year? So, since Kaaria went on esc and gained a large fanbase. He seems a bit naive, Joost is doing the same thing as Bojan from Joker Out, using him.

Sebas
Sebas
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

And once again, on an article about the Netherlands I see unnecessary comparisons coming up to bring the entry down cuz you don’t like it. Especially the wiwi jury articles. I’ll say it again, these “Netherlands” comment sections are looking more and more like the winner of Eurovision comment sections .

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago
Reply to  Sebas

Fine, I’ll do it without comparisons. It’s gimmicky, fun but not that fun, borderline annoying and overrated.

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

So are you?

Robbert
Robbert
1 month ago
Reply to  Yeah yeah fire

Käärjää with Joost on stage, is what fans have rumoured. I don’t believe these rumours at all.
Joost has been friends with Käärjää for years. So, not very strange they meet each other sometimes.

Yeah yeah fire
Yeah yeah fire
1 month ago
Reply to  Robbert

Proof that they are friends for years?

ESC Serg
ESC Serg
1 month ago

This is at 7.4 and Finland is at 4.7 or something. And the general eurofandom isn’t much better, they literally had Finland as their NQ of the 1st semi and Netherlands as their top 3 of the 2nd semi.

I’m not saying these are the same songs or something but they’re similar enough not to be treated with THAT much of a difference. It just shows the difference between eurofans getting an internally selected polished studio version with a video and a national final participant with a live performance and winning over fandom favorites.

IsJaden
IsJaden
1 month ago
Reply to  ESC Serg

oh common, the BPM might be the same, the style might be the same, but the whole aesthetic of both songs are from 2 different planets. No rules is pure gimmick, europapa is not. 1 makes you cringe, the other makes you exited.

ESC Serg
ESC Serg
1 month ago
Reply to  IsJaden

Even if I 100% agreed with you, the difference in opinions still shouldn’t be that big. But actually, they even have similar vibes, if you don’t like this stuff or not in a good mood, you could easily call them both “cringe”/”gimmick”/whatever word is negative for you here. If Finland has a man without pants and stuff, Netherlands have a guy in a cowboy hat with a striking haircut smiling too much and riding a scooter. And if we look deeper at both of the entries, we see that they’re much more that this. Finland is about not paying too… Read more »

Stephanie
Stephanie
1 month ago

Nothing against Joost Klein cause he seems a nice guy but this is my dead last! It just has to do with the type of music. It’s just not my thing . Sorry . But it will certainly stand out!

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago
Reply to  Stephanie

So are you, just you wait and see! Nobody can cater for all music taste!

Rich
Rich
1 month ago

We all know which songs we remember and replay, year after year when the contest circus comes to town. Verka, Go-a, Fuego, Euphoria, Fairytale. This song, also because of his charisma and stage show, will be added to that list. It’s what Europe expects and longs for that Saturday. Some songs are maybe “better”, some people have better vocals. But I think nobody has his electricity and connection to the audience. Through the camera. Just imagine eg the songs and performers of Holland and Croatia switched and see what will happen. I think Joost sells it. And that is something… Read more »

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
1 month ago
Reply to  Rich

oh i think we’ll do well, but i just recognize this year being all about Israel basically (like 2022 was all about Ukraine) but yeah i think our staging will be something quite entertaining, some k-pop dance moves, similar happiness vibes as in Kaarija’s performance, but also with a Salvador Sobral moment (like in the outro part of the song) the combination of those two polar opposites kinda intrigues me and am excited for how everything will come across Israel is among my favourites yes, i have no shame in promoting Eden’s beautiful song, because i judge the songs, and… Read more »

Rich
Rich
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

I love Bambi’s creativity. Not so interested in peoples genes and genders though. I heard her rap /sing another song and she’s pure quality. The production of the song is not nice to my ears. Wish she sang it on the piano as she last did, she would be top 3 then for me. Spain is fun and good message, and I have no clue what letter she is in the alphabet. But her message comes across, wonderful. Swiss I do not feel. Good singer though. Croatian song I liked from the old clip without seeing him. But the song… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Rich

They

Sun
Sun
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

How can someone sing in front of millions of people and then enlist in their country’s army to continue murdering Palestinians? There are people without soul or shame. This world never ceases to disappoint.

Rich
Rich
1 month ago
Reply to  Sun

You’re on the wrong site. We’re discussing the Dutch song and how some fans view this. Please go annoy people elsewhere. Plenty of attention there for your issue.

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

My top 10 are Spain, France, Italy, Great Britain, Israel, Netherlands, Austria, Lithuania , Croatia, Sweden, in not particularly order but a special mention Ireland!

Andon
1 month ago

I hope that we don’t go back to the joke entries era…

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
1 month ago
Reply to  Andon

the joke entries will be cancelled after Israel’s win, no worries (at least Israel knows to stay serious in terms of entries)

let Israel’s win also be a nice middle finger at p.a.l.e.s.ti.ni.ans

Dennis
Dennis
1 month ago
Reply to  Andon

This is not a joke entry in my opinion. It is certainly different, but there is definitely a meaning behind it. Joke entries are there to score on a superficial level without any sort of depth.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
1 month ago

no threat for our Israel, Eden Golan will shine beautifully in her stunning white dress and accompanied by 5 dancers

downmark me all you want lol, the more downmarks the more votes we will get!!!!

#VoteIsrael

Robert
Robert
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Then leave Brabant and go to Israel

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert

well if i am in israel, i can’t vote for them 😉

only one performance i am actually watching this year and that is Queen Eden’s ethno ballad

Marlinken
Marlinken
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

“Ethno-ballad”?! Every time I log in and say to myself “Now, be nice today” I see something like this and want to scream. ‘Hurricane’ is not an “ethno” anything. It’s a completely conventional pop song of the sort that the UK used to give to winners of X Factor twenty years ago. It’s on the same level as the German entry this year; a decent song but nothing that hasn’t been heard a hundred thousand times before. That’s without even getting into the genoc*de…

Basti
Basti
1 month ago
Reply to  Robert

Stop feeding the troll 😉 Tomorrow Nicky will be back to loving it again

Dick van den Broek
Dick van den Broek
1 month ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

I hear you, I can’t vote for Joost but Israel has my vote

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago

How did Sweden score higher than this song?

Milla
Milla
1 month ago
Reply to  GojoSatoru

Because it’s a better package?

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  GojoSatoru

Sweden is very low in my top, it’s plastic generic etc, but I would also have placed it higher than the Netherands this year

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago

32ND PLACE: THE NETHERLANDS: An unpopular opinion here, but I really don’t like this entry. I don’t find it particularly witty or smart, but rather just a joke, silly entry trying to be funny. There are too many gimmicks involved for my taste and at the same time I can’t find any interest in its music whatsoever or its lyrics (at least apart from the final part). I get that the song might also carry a personal meaning for Joost, and the song at the same time may also bring the party to Malmö arena but it’s not for me.… Read more »

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

I knew I couldn’t possibly be alone with my low opinion of this entry haha

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

I was also afraid of being alone on this. Though we are going to possibly find out how alone we are when the televoting points are announced on May 🙂

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

The Netherlands have in recent years sent some amazing songs, ranging from introspective songs to country songs, with varying levels of success. I hope Joost’s inevitable success won’t push them towards the direction of joke entries from 2025 onwards.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

Yeah, I mean I also thought that last year was terrible but I didn’t wanna push them to do that, just to get a better, deeper song and more competent singers, not just take the next best entry from their buddy Duncan. They were at their best when they put two great artists who hated each other together on stage and made them stare at the other for three minutes. That was wonderfully introspective. Or S10.

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

I liked Burning Daylight but certainly not as much as previous Dutch entries. De Diepte was my winner of 2022, Duncan was solidly in my top 10, the Common Linnets and Douwe as well etc.
Listing all these, Europapa is my least favourite Dutch entry since Sieneke or The Toppers

Dominic
Dominic
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

I understand the dislike, but do you really prefer Trijntje?

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Dominic

Yes! Whyjajajaj is iconic 😉

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

Yeah, she elevated that to listenable … but imagine what she could have done with a proper song. Such a missed opportunity.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

Very true. But that was kind of on her. She chose the song and didn’t wanna do much work for Eurovision.

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Dominic

Oh I completely forgot about that one 🙂 . Yeah that was also a dark page in Dutch ESC history xD

Emily
Emily
1 month ago
Reply to  Thanos

2009 and 2010 were difficult times to be a fan of the Netherlands in Eurovision, that’s for certain. Still haunt me to this day…

Thanos
Thanos
1 month ago
Reply to  Emily

Yeah definitely. I am glad they had a renaissance after 2013

Anna
Anna
1 month ago

When this song was released it wasn’t in my top ten at all. I just didn’t feel it. But then PrePartys happened and it completely changed my mind. Now it’s my top 2 just because of his performance there. He just delivered, that’s all. He knows how to work with the public, how to entertain people. I want to see quality performance, and this is it. So, 12 points for the Netherlands!

Ari
Ari
1 month ago

I hate to admit this, but maybe the juries spoon feeding Loreen the victory wasn’t such a bad thing after all, as I had originally thought. If the keep entries like this one right here and Croatia from winning, I can finally see the use of juries. The problem is when they still screw up and give totally undeserving songs like Unforgettable the edge. Then, we might as well have a silly song win.

Lauren MIA
Lauren MIA
1 month ago

Love it or hate it, the infectious “pa pa pa” will stay with you for a long long time. And that’s good – having a memorable part people can even sing with the artist is always fun. They just need to nail the right amount of chaos when it comes to staging. Too little or too much and it might not recieve as many votes. Still I wouldn’t be that much worried that it won’t qualify. It will.

Miko
Miko
1 month ago
Reply to  Lauren MIA

It haven’t stayed with me… like at all.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago

Joost seems very smart and knows exactly how to get votes. It’s also a very good thing to achieve the momentum he got on home soil, respect for that. However, I really don’t want this song to win Eurovision. It would be a sad thing to happen as we have some really outstanding music competing. This is just a silly, silly act to me. His success may prove The Netherlands right, but I’d find this a horrible winner. Music first, always.

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

Wachtmuziek

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

“Music first, always”, a very good motto, applies to this song as well. Only people with surface level thought process think the song is a joke.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  GojoSatoru

I never said it was a joke. I ain’t laughing.

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

silly or a joke, it’s practically the same.

Jonas
Jonas
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

I think the political and humanitarian aspect of the song raises it from silly. Agree or not,it does have at least SOME substance.

Open borders!

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

“Stay here until I die” also has a very strong social commentary as well – Joost is a clever chap, it’s so much more than the shiny facade that some people cannot see past.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Kosey

If I liked what I heard, I would try to see past the facade. But the music just isn’t my thing at all.

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

Just because the musical style is not your thing, does not mean that the music itself is not quality.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Kosey

True. But it doesn’t mean the opposite either.

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Ari

Sure. But you gave absolutely zero analysis as to why this is a poor quality song – you just referred to it being a “silly, silly act” and that quality is important, inferring that this was not quality, however offered zero explanation.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Kosey

True. Maybe it just appears silly to me, it may very well be top quality for what it aims to be.

Ari
Ari
1 month ago
Reply to  Jonas

I mean yes, it has a concept and a message. The presentation and antics are putting the entry on the silly side. I agree that there’s substance, I just find the whole act silly nevertheless.

Davie
Davie
1 month ago

They say that Eurovision songs should be divisive to score points. This is certainly divisive. I absolutely loathe it. I cannot think of a Eurovision song I have detested so much for many years.

and to those who say but it’s deep and has meaning. I know Joost’s back story and I’ve read the translation of the lyrics. It’s not deep.

Kosey
Kosey
1 month ago
Reply to  Davie

Just because you don’t have the lived experience, please don’t try to control other people’s emotions. It’s fine to say that you don’t connect with the song but please don’t deny other people their valid emotions. If someone has a very deep connection to a song, then let them have it, you don’t need to pretend that you have control over whether something is deep or not.

GojoSatoru
GojoSatoru
1 month ago
Reply to  Davie

That you don’t understand the deeper meaning of the song, doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Fast Food Music Lover
Fast Food Music Lover
1 month ago

Joost is the true spiritual successor of Karijaa for me. Nobody else comes close.

Miko
Miko
1 month ago

This so called song is one of the worst thing I ever heard. I can’t describe how much I hate it. 0/10

Efthymios
Efthymios
1 month ago
Reply to  Miko

Lol, who hurt you…

Davie
Davie
1 month ago
Reply to  Efthymios

Are people not allowed to have opinions any more?

Miko
Miko
1 month ago
Reply to  Efthymios

What’s the issue?

jerry
jerry
1 month ago

Turn off your Nintendo and go to sleep

Johnny
Johnny
1 month ago

I don’t like aggressive marketing and gimmicks of this entry. It’s giving look at me, i am special, im funny, im spontaneous….and i have totally opposite feeling…idk, the song is funny, it’s catchy, it’s not a skip for me. Oh, one more thing…what makes it a bit cringe to me is his style and facial expressions… Overall, type of song we have been getting from 2000 onwards, nothing new, but i expect top 3 score in televote, gimmick songs tend to find it’s audience. Agreed with the score on wiwi jury on this one.