On Tuesday, Bambie Thug took Ireland back to the Eurovision grand final for the first time since 2018 with their entry “Doomsday Blue”. During the semi-final 1 qualifiers press conference after the show, the star revealed that they had been ordered to remove messages for support of Palestine from their make-up.
Bambie Thug has chosen to wear messages in Ogham script — an Early Medieval alphabet used to write the early Irish language — on her face and legs as part of their Eurovision 2024 performance.
After the pictures from the initial rehearsals were released, fans quickly decoded the messages within this body paint. They included:
- Ceasefire
- Freedom for Palestine
- Crown the Witch
Bambie Thug displays the word “ceasefire” written in ogham for their #Eurovision2024 perfirmance pic.twitter.com/sNDKIMAl1X
— Markie ?? (@MarkAgitprop) May 7, 2024
During the semi-final 1 qualifiers press conference, Bambie Thug was aksed by Tobbe Ek from Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet why it was important for them to include such hidden messages in their stage costume.
Bambie responded:
“It was very important for me because I am pro-justice and pro-peace. Unfortunatley, I had to change those messages to ‘Crown the Witch’ only in order from the EBU.”
Following applause from a selection of the watching press in the room, Bambie Thug proceeded to raise her hand in solidarity — often done to indicate an act of defiance.
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What wasnt clear with “no politics”? Or its apply only to the jews?
Nope, on the contrary, that DOES’T apply to the jews (zionists) only. On everybody else you can spit freely and as politically as much as you want (Russia, Belarus etc), you can sin songs that violated all ESC rules (published and sung before the official start of the national selection, and make it as political as it gets – Jamala 1944) and give them winner’s trophy, you can expel anyone you don’t like, you can give political support to anyone you like and as loud as you like – except Palestine. . You will be gag ordered if you “mispronounce”… Read more »
She should keep it and withdraw. End of the (circus) game.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5TzrI65j5Jg
About Bambie, from second 00:36.
Have a great SF2 2nite to all of Ya!!
This is a Barbra Streisand effect. It she were allowed to have it, we would probably not be talking about this.
When attention seaking b*tch act as a witch, this is what we get! If she is so much all about supporting Palestine, then she should quite the contest when they made her delete those messages, and go back to Ireland, but nooo, all of a sudden she won’t mind participating in the final with zero support (through messages) for Palestine, as she got the attention she needed for her “song”. Such a pity, because she could have had a legit 100% support for that performance, but instead she will loose so much. Well, the good thing is that Ireland is… Read more »
The right wing Israeli squatter facists who have polluted this site are good at telling people where to go which is not suprising but how dare you call Bambie a b*tch. The only place your ilk should go is back to Warsaw, Poland.
By all means call out the Israeli right wingers and Mike’s post is hideous but that second comment is disgusting. Stop that.
it’s rich to hear about “Polish squatters” when Arabs have been squatting all the way from the Arab peninsula to both the Iberian peninsula to the west and Central Asia to the east
You can call it peace when every single H*m*s t*rr*r*st is imprisioned or d**d.
One mans terr0rist is another man’s freedom fighter. Remember that c0ckhead.
those guys ain’t fighting for freedom, they want to wipe Israel out and then the whole world to surrender to sharia law you dorkass
Per BT instagram: EBU had agreed to allow the ‘Ceasefire’ ogham message but changed their mind an hour before they were to go on stage.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6vapS6NcZc/?igsh=c2tmdzd6anVhN3o3
Makes one wonder what Israel has on the EBU, that theyve capitulated to this degree.
Where is Moroccan oil from? One hint: not from Morocco. On the other side, I don’t think it should be that difficult for EBU to find other sponsors for Eurovision.
Thank you Bambie Thug for raising awareness. if you read this, you are a corageous beautiful soul. Kudos to you!
Wiwi, where is the article about the artists of tonight?
On Tuesday morning there was an article “Rest of World voting now open for Semi-Final 1…so who did you vote for?”Waiting for the article for Semi 2.
Looking forward to the good artists on day 2.
3 political articles on Wiwi’s homepage, for almost 24 hours already.
Time to upload a new article about the artists of tonight, Wiwi.
So Bambie brings a dark magic feast onto the scene and then writes “cease fire” in a cryptic language? Is she a shy punk? Not impressed. Shout out to Saade who way braver and punker
This year’s contest has lost its meaning. It became about politics, nudity and attention seeking. Nothing about music. Sad.
Sadly, I have to agree.
Very shallow thinking, but what can you expect from a fan who sees only what they want to see
Ok clever one explain to us what’s behind all these.
no cap, sf1 was utterly disappointing and music was left on the bench
If they are so committed, why dont they quit their participation when they are forced to remove messages and explicit supports?
Exactly, I’m already tired of that attention seeking witch.
Can we please pay attention to other entries, too? It’s not balanced to write only about Ireland; it’s pretty unfair for the other songs.
Juries won’t go for all the screaming. Most are 40-50 age and it won’t appeal I don’t think. Artistically yes but not in other ways. Think she will be top five due to the hype the act generates
Agree.
Already 3 pictures of Ireland on Wiwi homepage.
And 3 political articles first.
Where are the positive singers who will perform tonight?
Oh yes, enough with Bambie Thug. I wish them good luck, but it’s a contest with 37 entries. Monopolizing news with Ireland is boring.
CROWN THE WITCH
Bambi is doing so well purely because she is controversial. The song will tank with the juries
If you think it is purely down to controversial elements I think your bias might be showing.
Or because it was something new, fresh?
And juries like artistry so it wont end up last
They will not award the screaming, that’s for sure.. artistically she is on point, vocally not so much at all..
There is screaming but there is also some very good singing which will be favourable for the Jury.
Very good? Many outshine Bambi for vocals. Angelina, Raiven to name just two
One more thing. Lol.
What about that photo of Bambie Thug with the moustache and naked upper body, the nipples covered with black tape and the word PORK tattood or written on their chest?
How would help that message anybody there?
What do you think this means?
Bambie plays it well. (from their point of view)
Tons of political statements and hints outside the official show, old letters on their face in the pre-show,
hexing the blue 6 point star etc. on social media ,
but on stage only with double meaning so it won’t get disqualified.
(on stage 5 point blue star, singing and hexing against the color blue and the star).
Like I said yesterday, I dont like political statements in Eurovision. Same for Ukraine.
Sorry, Jerry.
You’ve posted this already, it is bollox
https://wiwibloggs.com/2024/05/08/eric-saade-palestine-keffiyeh-protest-israel-eurovision-participation/281546/#comment-1449395
Stop this pathetic trolling.
It’s not trolling.
It’s just what I noticed in their socials, their statements etc.
In their socials BT literally published a hex photo with a blue 6 pointed star.
This is a Wiwi article about BTs poltical statements, so is a good place to place it here
what socials? when? link it
Here it is.
Bambie speak to destroy,
with that 6 point star of David, star of Israel.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C48GMAFM16Y/
And that small blue doll she is voodooing.. things like that.
Well, I am looking forward to the positive artists of tonight.
That is artwork made by and posted by another graphic designer called Patricio Santagada, not her.
BT posts it proudly on their Instagram.
It could be made on request of BT, you never know.
The fact that BT proudly posts it, says it all.
Also the old script on their face..
BT didn’t speak about it themselves, but let other find the meaning, the translation and publish it, just before the Semifinal.
It’s so transparant.
Some people are so naive (or they agree with BT’s ideology, that’s even worse).
You’re reaching
how? she’s not capping at all, just checked and everything she said about Bambie’s socials is there
I’m glad Bambie is calling out the EBU.
Politics aside, Bambie is the dark horse this competition needed. They served us one of the greatest performances in years, and nobody expected it! I really hope Ireland is a shock winner on Saturday.
Just saw a video of the creature that decided to represent a terr0rist country performing, and the crowd booing was legit music to my ears. I hope they boo her so much tomorrow you cant even hear her
they added fake cheers and clapping. Some already in the 1st sf sounded a bit weird, I guess they were fake too
Was it fake I thought it was real
they were totally fake
Those were real cheers and clapping, we were in the arena and the crowd was basically spilt – when the booing happened, her supporters started cheering. This went on for the whole song so it was a total mess.
The TV performance leaked and we can only hear cheers and clapping, or at least much louder than booing
If people want to protest, why not turning their backs to the stage instead of booing? That would be impressive…
Many people did that or chose to ignore it all together and just not react at all.
I didn’t hear that Palestine was allowed to compete? Interesting.
Politics or not, this was by far the best stage performance I’ve seen in a long time.
Bambie is a natural performer. Acts can have the most elaborate and expensive staging in the world, but without the gift of performative talent it really counts for little.
She is a natural, and a good singer too, and her movements, looks like ballet experience. Allround an intelligent little witch
For me, it’s Switzerland and we have not yet watched it all live on our screens. Go #teamNemo
Agree.
I want to see good energies tonight.
And Nemo is one of them.
The ebu will start scanning people head to toes in order to find any piece remotely related to pal.esti.ne
Off topic but can entrants still change outfits for the second dress rehearsal? Albania did it for the current one.
Also, Nemo looks even worse with that new outfit; looks like a 5 year old clown 🙁
this is not about nemo. leave them alone!!!
What does “from the River to the Sea” mean?
I’ve heard/seen people say it, but I’m never sure of what they actually mean. On the surface, it seems like a well-intentioned show of support for the innocents in R a f a h. When really it is often used as a cry to end the state if I s r a e l entirely.
state OF I s r a e l
the river is smaller than the sea. it is a way of wishing the expansion of the country or rather the erection of smallness (oppressed) into greatness
and obviously we can make the link with blood and the rebirth of civilization. exactly like with Abel and Cain or Remus Romulus
Or make a link to the actual geographical meaning.
Stop the lies! It’s pathetic. It means they want the whole land, from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea. Meaning they don’t want Israel to be there, they are not into sharing the land, they only want Palestine to be there. AKA ethnical cleansing, AKA G***cide. A lovely call that comes from people that claim that they condemn violence.
That’s literally just zionists trying to play victim. It is a common rhyme used in protests and has absolutely nothing to do with destroying Israel. It’s legit just a harmless phrase that rhymes with “P*lestine will be free” and is used for countries across the arab world such as Syria which is under dictatorship. It’s a phrase used as a cry for freedom if anything.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t try to give an answer. It’s not ‘just a harmless phrase’ that’s only used as a common rhyme for other words that actually hold meaning. The phrase itself holds deep meaning and has political implications.
Shush did answer my question, I guess. The answer being no, not everybody who uses it understands its meaning.
Or appreciates the implications of using it, and how others might receive it. We should be careful. Heavy sigh.
Many of them know the meaning. They just make up stories to pretend that it’s not a call for another ge**cide of the Jews. Lying and having double standards is the core of this whole “watermelon” movement. It’s built on lies pretty much.
With all due respect “Jimmy” I feel like I as an Arab would know more about the phrase than you do. There is nothing remotely anti sème tic about the phrase itself and has been used in protests all over the world. How dare you question my credibility on a topic that is so close to home.
”From the river to the sea”
Is a reference to the original borders of Palestine under Ottoman and British rule, referring geographically to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. It implies that the land is one, and that it should be unified. It’s generally used by pro-Palestinians with the implication that Israel should not exist because it divides Palestine in to two, and therefore Palestine, post-1948, has not existed continuously “from the river to the sea”.
Well.. there are lots of documents on the internet and even a Wikipedia page on it
I am sure Jonas is in Wiki now
on wiki*
Always!
Wiki is my (unreliable) go-to source of information. I use it to give the impression I know what I’m talking about. 🙂
Wiki is kiwi. It only provides a tiny dose of vitamins but it’s enough to look at your radiant face.
Thanks. I knew it was SOMETHING like that, I suppose what I’m really asking is if the people who use it do. It feels like a red flag of anti-semitism, but I’ve seen it used in some surprising places.
Anyway, this conversation is probably not what people come to this board for. Sometimes I can’t help myself. I was sorry I asked about 30 seconds after I clicked.
It’s ok. I understand.
Yeah, it’s all very grim. The situation is horrible and it’s frustrating that people want to amplify the extremities rather than work to find common ground.
It’ll be harder to block everything out tomorrow night and just enjoy the show. It’ll also be harder to be COMFORTABLE with blocking everything out.
It means to erase Isreal it’s quite an insular phrase… what Australia did was significantly worse, that participant is basically saying he wishes for Isrealis to die. I don’t see the issue her promoting for a ceasefire at all but maybe show that in voting segments etc not on stage.
A shame and i hope these actions have enormous consequences on Eurovision and ebu. FROM RIVER TO THE SEA PAL8STINE WILL BE FREE. ALL EYES ON RAFFAH
Jesus. There would be 2 people in the entire world that would understand the message. The oppression of freedom of speech when Western interests are compromised has become disgusting
Eric Saade is 33. Same as Jesus.
Sorry, just felt like sharing that…
I laughed xD
The entire EBU and Bjorkman are full of sh..it, the contest is heading in the wrong direction.
Love Bambi. They seem like such a genuine “artist”. Not perfect, but genuinely passionate and honest.
The song was never my favourite, but with the live performance it became my favourite yesterday. That in addition to the fact they make me smile whenever I see them interviewed.
Eden will probably finish her song tomorrow night by saying “Support for the IDF!”, and the EBU will issue a statement on Friday saying that in their view, it wasn’t a political statement.
Good one! Noticed her very long fingernails painted blood red? That should also be taken as a political statement.
I was really impressed by her performance, that’s all I care to say. We will know tomorrow but it seems like Bambi Thug created one of the top performances of the year, something I surely didn’t expect. Also Raiven, the camera work and the choreo are so clever, she really didn’t need anything else. Crown the witches. All 3, Norway will complete this magnificent cast of witches that came together this year.
Raiven’s performance blew me away. Outstanding use of camera work
Same. The first performance I rewatched and I only rewatched very few. This performance is something really special and I hope it gets a decent recent, far from the bottom. It belongs in the top 5. I hope it wasn’t a ‘barely made the final’ type of score.
*decent result
A trifecta of witchery… And I’m spellbound. Total respect to all three… They’re Malificent.
You are Malificent LISTEN TO FERGAL AGAIN MMMH
1 of those 3 is no witch.
Slovenia was erroneously accused for being a witch, right?
She should be more focused on Ulster vs Westminster conflit.
First clean up your backyard gurl
But Israel is allowed to send a political song that was modified just enough to be able to compete. Reminds of when Armenians were threatened and fined for the Karabagh flag but Azerbaijan’s own post card in 2012 was titled Karabagh. It’s not that EBU is non-political, it’s just they have a clear stance on certain political issues and as you guessed it, it’s never on the side of human rights.
Faux-trucer
Never thought our Ogham script would prove controversial in Eurovision! Áth mór ort Bambi agus maith thú.
No politics at Eurovision. I love Bambie Thug, but the EBU is doing the right thing.
How dare artists express themselves through art, you cry.
And what about Russia to Eurovision
Sad, very sad.
All those “give peace a chance” stomps at the start of Torino 2022 were for… what?
For show. We knew that. Besides, wasn’t it playback? Platback is always fake.
You’ll Never Walk Alone was just last year. There really should be an asterisk at the end of that, pointing to the terms and conditions.
You’ll never walk alone is even more dishonest. You’ll always walk alone. Can’t pay our outrageous fees, little European broadcasters? Get out of here. This contest is not for you. Although I find it incredible how Moldova can compete and arrive on the first or second rehearsal day, but BiH, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Romania etc can’t.
The EBU have always been stupid about flags, to be fair to them. I remember Joe or Jake getting in trouble for waving a Welsh flag or something like that.
Seriously? So it’s only ok to be Welsh at Junior Eurovision, I guess.
Joe, or Jake, was told not to pack his Welsh flag, and lead a successful campaign to get the rule overturned.
https://wiwibloggs.com/2016/05/06/ebu-amends-flag-policy-no-restrictions/140936/
You’ll Never Walk Alone (First Class Passengers Only)
If anything, being asked to remove the messages has brought more attention to it than if the messages were just left as they were…
It’s as if the EBU forgot about the Streisand Effect…
Good point.
Thats why Bambie put the text on their cheek at the Pre-show. So people would talk about it before the Semi.. Otherwise the Ebu and noone else would have noticed and BT wouldn’t get that attention.
It was never BTs intention to wear it during the Semi.
People are so naive.
Like when they thought Kaleem had a real wardrobe malfunction.
F^ck the EBU
Garbage song, awful singer. Eurovision became a real joke after yesterday results. 0 POINTS FROM JURIES, PLEASE.
Hi, Marcin!
Ireland would not qualify, you told us multiple times. You said to mark your words.
I marked them. What do I do now?
Ahhhh… Has somebody like got a like… erazerrrrr?
Nothing to be proud of qualifing in a weak year while being in a semi final with only 15 countries. Cant wait to see you face when Ireland finishes dead last while qualing from a bordeline postion thanks to votes from Sweden,UK and Australia.
Will I mark these words too?
Sure because I will be 100 perecent correct.
Are you old enough to be talking to adults on this page? Your responses sound very much along the lines of “ I know I am but what are you”……
Anyone supporting trash like Ireland,Finland,Croatia etc is definitly underaged. So not me
Isn’t that the beauty of Eurovision? We all have different tastes and preferences but our beloved contest brings us all together! You are entitled, by all means, to think that Ireland, Finland & Croatia are trash. They’re certainly not my type of song either, but I’m savvy enough and having followed the contest for over 40 years, it’s quite clear that these “trash” entries you’re talking about will all be top 10. You need to be kinder in your words and embrace people’s opinions! Remember, there’s no right or wrong when it comes to musical preferences and your predictions regarding… Read more »
are you nuts, Ireland probably is top 3 in the semis, everybody liekd the act and for good reason. You fail to see her qualities. She has both vocals and ballet, and acting. You are just so locked and stobbern to see it.
Screaming is not singing. Prancing around and acting derenanged is not ballet. Effect 0 points from Jury incoming.
Thankfully you’re not the jury, even if your over inflated opinions seem to assume so.
Meet you back here on Saturday to laugh at you when Bambie doesn’t come last!
EBU finally getting their act together. Good.
and thus appeasing the Terrorist State of Israel continues
Yes and in the meantime Israel is doing what it has excelled up to a little while ago – propaganda. That is why it insists to continue using such platforms as the ESC. For these past 10 days every time I accessed YouTube there was the Israeli IDF singer popping up before every clip I opened. She even speaks out in the different languages of the countries of the countries taking part in the ESC. Is this even allowed by the EBU? Shame on the EBU to continue being so pigheaded and allowing Israel to participate especially when mass graves… Read more »
Strange. I rarely see videos of her on YouTube. And never those you mention. Only that official video.
When I open Youtube I see mainly shorts of Jerry, alyona alyona, Baby Lasagna, Nemo..
Not videos (well actually they are) but short advertising clips with Eden speaking the lingo of the place -French, Italian, English even Maltese telling people to vote for her. Strange that none have not come up for you. When I was in France last week the adverts came up in French and when I asked friends from different European countries, tye confirmed that they had also had the same experience. Never before this ESC had I ever received promotional clips from any artist participating in the event telling me whom to vote for.
The boos are going to be so loud on Thursday night. They will drown out the song. Then what will the EBU do?
You mean Eden Golan’s performance?
No, they’re not. Chickens for KFC are a small, albeit loud, minority and they promised to boycott ESC anyway, right?
You’re so creative taking that “Chickens for KFC” expression and posting it everywhere as if you came up with it yourself.
Be original, stop taking other peoples work as your own. Although, now that I say it, I guess it wouldn’t be the first time an Israeli took something that wasn’t theirs.
I’m not an Israeli, nor do I claim to come up with a term. You also used several words in your post that you didn’t invent. Thief!
Ah okay, so a call for a ceasefire has literally no effect on you then, which makes me question why you’re so up in arms about it in the first place then.
Or is it just that you don’t like Muslims?
As far as I know there are almost 2 million Muslems living in Israel, with the same rights as all the other people there.
And there are muslems in the IDF fighting against their enemy H4m4s.
When I heard that KFC thing for the first time, I thought that’s a very good one to describe the craziness.
I say Queer for Israel.
Same rights my absolute boll ox . Especially when you have Netanyahu and his extra and right pushing their agenda, evicting and annexing people from their homes, just today alone bulldozing a Bedouin community on Israeli soil. Yeah full equality right there.
It is you who supports the craziness, but you already know that
I mean, where has liking them taken you, though? Remember that Algerian mf who stabbed toddlers out of a school in Dublin last December?
What has an Algerian got to do with any of this? A) We are talking about Palestine, completely different place. B) That attack could just have easily been carried out by a deranged “local”, so unsure again what the fact that he is Algerian has anything to do with it. In addition, the guy was a naturalised Irish citizen living here over 20 years, and Garda say attack wasn’t terror related. So case closed. I mean c’mon Bichota, say you’re an Islamophobe without saying you’re an Islamophobe. I know many Muslims, who are good, honest people. I know many good… Read more »
How many Jews and how many Israelis do you know, Darren?
I’d just say it’s easy to call others out on their judgmental views, one-sidedness and hypocrisy, but often less easy to see it in oneself. Above, you kind of suggested that theft is a core part of Israeli national identity (that Israelis take what isn’t theirs), that sounds pretty racist too. Some would call it antisemitism.
Well Israeli government policy has confirmed my statement.
Whereas the one isolated incident that Bichota was referring to can hardly be assumed that ALL Algerians or ALL Muslims are capable of such.
Never had you down to have selected vision Jimmy but alas.
For the record, I’m not racist, far from it. And if criticism of Israel is antisemitism then I guess we cannot criticise any country. Bring back Russia so!
In addition, not all Israelis are Jews, so you seem to be confusing the two.
I don’t think you’re a racist but the way you’ve written things can make it seem like you’re equating the current Israeli government with all Israelis. That’s exactly what you’re picking up others on in reverse.
I’m well aware that not all Israelis are Jews. Nothing I said direcly communicates otherwise. But it shows how fragile communication and the extrapolation of meaning can be.
Just entering into the discussion as a bit of a devil’s advocate really, Darren. It’s just very easy to be one-sided in the debates on this issue without really seeing it. The situation will only be positively resolved with a solution that involves all the people living there currently – not one side or the other.
I’m not an islamophobe bc I’m not scared of Muslims, if anything what I feel towards them is animosity, most of my experiences with them have been awful, both in Mexico (which has a growing Muslim population) and in Europe
Ah it’s just something you don’t understand. I suggest you educate yourself on the issue. Educate yourself on what Islam actually is.
And then just live and let live, no need for animosity when you understand the situation and come out of your ignorance.
oh, god. typical westplainer *yawn*
This person needs to remember that they are representing their country and not themselves
Their country joined in South Africa’s ICJ case against Israel…
What a shame they did not the right thing with the cc a b use against women and children.
To be Irish is to be in solidarity with Palestine.
And with Russia, the Irish are such clowns tbh
Aren’t the prime ministers of Spain and Ireland holding meetings right now to discuss recognising the state of Palestine?
In Ireland we support peace. We always have.
Kaarja as been confirmed for the semi final 2!!! ITS CRAZY ITS PARTYY
Herreys 40th Anniversary too, as interval act of semi 2!
but then the finish guy can be semi naked during their performance
Spain is more naked
TBH writing something in a language that no one can read is extremely useless to begin with. As far as I know it could say “I love the IDF” and nobody could ever tell anyway.
Another empty public stunt on the backs of the Palestinians.
Guess who will be destroyed in jury vote.
Not saying i want it to happen. Just what I expect will happen.
Politics aside, juries are there to award music, of which there is none in Ireland’s entry.
True, just imagine the tears of fanboys after Ireland finishes last. It’s going to be great!
Asking Bambie to remove the “freedom” sign makes sense as it is overtly political but demanding to remove the “ceasefire” sign is another exceedingly stupid decision from the EBU.
Ikr? It’s not saying “i’m pro-xyz”. It’s saying “stop killing each other”.
But people shouting out Slava Ukraina all the time is somehow not a politcal statement..
It’s not like they waved a flag, or burned stuff or so. It was a simple call for ceasefire, to stop violence.
EBU is strange to say the least.
Its ok for Ukraine, its Ukraine
Eurovision is a victim of its own decision: I guess Maroccanoil gives too much money hence anything that is a slight critique against Israel is a no go zone it seems.
but it’s ok if you’re madonna
Look, aside from animals and gay rights, I’m no activist but… Eurovision was created at a time when the world had very clear boundaries. Western Europe was post-WWII and united by common liberal ideals. It was OK to “just be a music contest” because the competing countries (UK, France, Italy, Austria, Sweden, West Germany, Netherlands, etc.) all had a basically shared worldview. The world is a more complicated place now. We brought in countries, like Russia, where a lot of people have a very different set of values. Israel, at the moment, is another of these. There have been times… Read more »