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Reactions to the grand final of Eurovision 2024 just keep coming. And the response for the Portuguese broadcaster RTP comes with an official complaint to the EBU for the delay in posting iolanda’s performance from the grand final.

 

Portugal’s Eurovision performance uploaded after delay

Nicolau Santos, president of the Board of Directors of RTP, plans to meet with the EBU tomorrow to address the situation. On Saturday, Portugal performed 18th in the show. All performances were promptly published on YouTube following their airing. However, Portugal’s grand final performance was not uploaded. Instead, the EBU initially uploaded her semi-final performance. Her actual grand final performance was not uploaded until an hour later, just before the last country to perform — Austria — had their performance published.

There were similar changes-of-form from the EBU on Instagram. The official Eurovision Instagram page posted a video of Portugal’s semi-final performance rather than the grand final performance. The EBU confirmed that the delay was due to the presence of ‘pro-Palestinian elements’ in the Portuguese performance.

During the Grand Final, iolanda showcased her support for Palestinian resistance through her nail art. She drew inspiration from the keffiyeh, the traditional Palestinian scarves. At the conclusion of her performance, iolanda expressed gratitude to the audience, also adding the message: “peace will prevail”. In the flag parade, iolanda wore her Turquoise Carpet dress, a creation by the Palestinian brand Trashy Clothing.

 
 
 
 
 
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Nicolau Santos from RTP also commented on the anti-booing system and the fake applause used by the EBU during Israel’s performance, stating:

“For an organization like the EBU, and for an organization like RTP and the European public media service whose flag is the fight against fake news, misinformation, and information manipulation, it is unacceptable that this is possible. Using this method distorts reality.”

Will Portugal return in 2025?

Santos stated that Eurovision 2024 “calls for reflection,” and that there are matters to be discussed. However, he emphasized that despite this unfortunate situation, Portugal has no intention of withdrawing from the contest in the future. This year iolanda finished in 10th place with 152 points. The juries from Croatia, France, and the United Kingdom awarded her with 12 points each. During the moment when Portugal was announcing its jury votes, Mimicat, the former representative of Portugal in Eurovision 2023, began by saying: “We want everyone to seek love and peace. Let’s not forget it. I would say this is the most important thing tonight and always in this world and in this life.”

 

What do you think about the delay in posting Portugal’s performance?  Let us know in the comments.

 
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Whisker
Whisker
6 days ago

Portugal’s nail “art” is yet again, a choice. If only it wasn’t “inspired” by the fabric worn by those m onsters at Nova 2023. What those m onsters did to young women like herself is so extreme, and people who actually know what d ead bodies look like as a result of t raumas were s hocked by the extent of the a trocities committed on those women. Shame on you. And the song is called “Scream”. How about a word association. “Scream” and “before silence” almost like the title of the documentary.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Whisker

Yes, she could have added the yellow ribbon too or something in lieu reminding of women her age kept and abused in H@m@ss dungeons.

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Yes, she included every victim of this tragedy when she said “Peace will prevail!”. But for people completely blinded by the desire for revenge this doesn’t matter. Continue on this path as a society and that will be your downfall. As some former ESC participants said:”Hatrið mun sigra.” Your anger is being fanned by the g3noc1dal criminals who are at the head of your government.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Czechia is headed by  g3noc1dal criminals? You are funny….

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Nobody talked about Czechia. Don’t be silly.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

“Your anger is being fanned by the g3noc1dal criminals who are at the head of your government.”Your governmentm you wrote. I am not Israeli, i am Czech. So my government is Czech.

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Sorry my fault!

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

No need to apologize. We Czechs have our experience with far-leftist antizionism and the criminal repercussions it had on ouor society ever since the Communist party took over our land 1948 and ruined it.

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

I’m pro-peace and pro-justice for all sides. And my country also lived under a dictatorship, in our case fascist, so we can very easily see through propaganda.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Yes, and we have experience with far-leftist lies, so we also see thru the hypocrisy and mendaciousness of the far-left driven antizionism and its propaganda. Also being pro-peace and pro-justice.

Robert
Robert
6 days ago
Reply to  Whisker

We know what dead bodies look like. We have social networks. We see the atrocities Israel is doing.

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Whisker

If the goal is to “exchange trading cards” I can also point to the images of children burned, crushed and torn apart by the IDF’s blind bombardments. No one is going to win this argument. The only viable path is a ceasefire, return of the hostages and the beginning of serious talks towards a definitive and fair resolution of the conflict. And send all those responsible for this tragedy to the dock in The Hague: the H@m@s terrorists and Bibi and his clique of war criminals and g3noc1da1res.

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Whisker

If the goal is to “exchange trading cards” I can also point to the images of children burned, crushed and torn apart by the IDF’s blind bombardments. No one is going to win this argument. The only viable path is a ceasefire, return of the hostages and the beginning of serious talks towards a definitive and fair resolution of the conflict. And send all those responsible for this tragedy to the dock in The Hague: the H@m@s terrorists and Bibi and his clique of war criminals and g3noc1da1res.

BiCHOTA
BiCHOTA
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Mucho texto

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  BiCHOTA

Reading about facts and truths is boring, I know. La noia, as italians say.

Alaska
Alaska
6 days ago

The EBU’s level of absurdity just to avoid annoying one and one delegation only… You can appear on stage peeling a banana, baking a strawberry cheesecake, squeezing an orange or perform an interpretive dance number dressed as a cucumber, but don’t you DARE putting on that headpiece that looks like a slice of watermelon. There are limits!…

Bani
Bani
6 days ago

Well done EBU !! This is not “nail art” – it’s a pollitical statement- hence, NOT allowed!!
RTP should be fined for breaching the rules.

Cassette
Cassette
6 days ago
Reply to  Bani

You must be fun at parties! Spot the Jew!

Bani
Bani
6 days ago
Reply to  Cassette

What’s your point?…. try a smarter reaction

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Bani

Peace will prevail!

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Bani

Double standards! The Israeli delegation was flashing the yellow ribbon during de voting presentation. It’s also a breach of rules, isn’t it? Hypocritical propagandist!

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I am surprised the righteous Iolanda or Bambie did not wear the ribbon.

Bani
Bani
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Yellow ribbon is NOT a POLITICAL entity symbol – fool (as the pink one for breast cancer…). Why don’t you go to school to educate yourself before you bark?… and btw – seems your brains battery is low – charge it…

Robert
Robert
6 days ago
Reply to  Bani

If it’s not political why was eden forbidden to wear a dress with yellow ribbon? Barking fool.

Bani
Bani
6 days ago
Reply to  Robert

Yellow doesn’t go with Offwhite (didn’t you know) – Barking fashion morr0n

Poiroke
Poiroke
6 days ago

It is very sad that symbols were banned and that you can have a political campaign to send 20 short messages for Israël. It was not only caped by the government but als extreme right persons for expressing the hate against Palestinians and the support for Israël. Than manipulating the audience feeling on the television by EBU, is using double moral standards and it kills the original ‘united by music’. That is not how it should happen. The music should prevail and not harming singers like Portugal or any other contestant. We all know the political voting in the past,… Read more »

Alaska
Alaska
6 days ago
Reply to  Poiroke

This all happened in the country that years back has given us an iconic humorous performance about “love” and “peace” being the two words that appear in Eurovision songs the most. Oh the irony…

Rory
Rory
7 days ago

The fact that the EBU has banned ANY symbols representing P a lestine shows that the contest is not apolitical, they could at least just admit that they’ve chosen to side with Israel, and won’t consider removing them no matter how depraved their actions are becoming (burning aid trucks, refusing to negotiate and putting their own hostages in danger etc.).

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Rory

The hostages are not being held and @bused by Isr@el. You seem to not have a problem with that depravity. H@m@s can release them anytime and surrender.

Rory
Rory
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

At this stage the hostages ARE being held by Isr@el, they could have them released tomorrow if they wanted. But that would mean Netanyahu would have to give up his political power, no more war no more “emergency cabinet” – do you think he really wants that?

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Rory

No matter how much you want to sickly twist it, the host@ges are being held by H@m@s, PIJ and other f!lth. Not to speak about the @buse of the women held. There is no obligation to award the kidnapper for his crime. But after what i have read here, i will not act as surprised, that evidently a portion of the “tolerant” lGbtq+-community has no problem with women @buse.

Rory
Rory
6 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Israel has been comitting crimes against g a za for decades, they have no obligation to award them for their crimes either. You also don’t seem to care about all the women and children the I D F have already massacred, so you’re not exactly “tolerant” either are you? and now the illegal settlers are even trying to burn down the aid trucks. Shame on you

Ricardo
Ricardo
6 days ago
Reply to  Rory

Don’t waste your time. For them, all the problems began October 7th. The period between 1948 and October 7th has been paradise on earth. That’s why there’s no solution in sight.

Bani
Bani
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Sorry, history of that region did NOT start in 1948 (as convenient to your narrative)!! It started from biblical times as the land belongs to the indigineos Hebrews (Judea and Samaria)!!

Jo.
Jo.
7 days ago

that oil company runs this show

BadWoolfGirl
BadWoolfGirl
7 days ago
Reply to  Jo.

Actually, it’s a hair care company. Moroccan oil is actually Argan oil, an ingredient in a lot of shampoos and conditioners.

Nadiia
Nadiia
6 days ago
Reply to  Jo.

If that was true, the jury points would have been divided differently I think.

Bani
Bani
6 days ago
Reply to  Jo.

Which? Shell, Texaco… 🙂

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

And here is the feeble statement from the EBU, regarding complaints made by several delegations due to the behavior of the Israeli delegation: “We regret that some delegations at the Eurovision Song Contest in Malmö didn’t respect the spirit of the rules and the competition both onsite and during their broadcasts, We spoke to a number of delegations during the event regarding various issues that were brought to our attention. The EBU’s governing bodies will, together with the heads of delegations, review the events surrounding the ESC in Malmö to move forward in a positive way and to ensure the… Read more »

Darren
Darren
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Surprise surprise

I expected such. It’s like the bully in the school yard who is then hit back by their victim and then goes crying to the teacher, and both parties end up getting detention.

EBU needs a reality check

Cassette
Cassette
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

When the EBU say ‘Move forward In a Postive Way’, that’s code for lets move on and forget about what happened.

Ellen
Ellen
7 days ago

Didn’t even pay attention to the nails. But that’s cool, even it was against the rules. Idk the producers saw it from afar. They paid attention to every little details. That’s kinda crazy

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

Yes, but they are selective. The Israeli delegation was flashing the yellow ribbon during the voting presentation but the EBU “didn’t saw that”. Talk about double standards…

Ellen
Ellen
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Idk what that means. What’s the meaning of the yellow ribbon?

BadWoolfGirl
BadWoolfGirl
7 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

The Yellow ribbon is a symbol to bring home The hostages kidnapped by H@mas on October 7th.

Melissa
Melissa
6 days ago
Reply to  BadWoolfGirl

“Statements of support to a cause for me but not for thee”

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Melissa

Yeah, someone must remind of the fate of the men and women held by s@vages, especially when righteous artists like Bambie or Ioalnda seem not to care even about the women being @bused in the tunnels…

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
7 days ago

Iolanda’s performance over Palestinian inspired NAIL art??? IS this for real? The world has turned completely mad…
Portuguese Broadcaster IS complaining for whatever crap Nails performance what??

Eleanor
Eleanor
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonkonfui

Yeah, the EBU didn’t want to upload her performance because of her nails – it really is quite the overreaction

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
7 days ago
Reply to  Eleanor

Very stupid on both sides… A Palestinian support Nail crap might be in the top 10 of most stupid ideas at Eurovision and not uploading her performance because of her Nails It is quite absurd… Are people gonna actually see her Nails? You might notice they are long but the colours and patterns on the Nails?? What are we eagles?

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonkonfui

This is the crux of the matter. Nobody noticed the nails. The EBU’s overzealousness is what caused this whole situation. Iolanda paints her nails differently in each performance. Likewise, during the flag parade, she wore a dress designed by a Palestinian brand, but didn’t make a big deal out of it. It was the EBU that created this whole situation and when RTP protested, they immediately understood that they had overreacted and uploaded the video.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago

Here’s a tip. If all these nobodies didn’t feel the need to virtue signal about a situation that they have no direct involvement in and had nothing to do with their performance, nothing would have happened. The EBU had made is apolitical stance clear. All these attention seekers had to do was respect it for 3.minutes.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Unlike you, those “nobodies” and “attention seekers” are people who care about others. Have a thing called “heart”. Are you sure you have one?

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Perfect, support the civilians in G@z@ with the keffiyeh pattern on nails? How many of those, who have a heart, were wearing a yellow ribbon? Heart for everybody, right? For bombed and starving civilians and for abused women in dungeons….

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

We all have… Some people call It heart, some people call It taking advantage of the situation in their own benefit… Do you people really think you live on a Disney movie??

Willem
Willem
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Brave words from an even bigger nobody who clearly has no idea about what it means to be human.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Willem

Their political views had nothing to do with their purpose in being there. Nothing. And what difference will it make to anyone that she painted her nails a particular colour? What’s so brave and full of heart about that? It’s empty gestures. They knew the rules of the EBU and chose to violate them. They can’t then say the EBU is unfair for enforcing them.

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

But It is like completely crazy that a country’s Broadcaster IS complaining because the Producers did not take a shot of her Nails… IS so childish, absurd and immature.. her Nails??

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonkonfui

Nobody in Portugal complained about her nails. It was the EBU that said that they didn’t upload her video because of that when asked the motive. When RTP protested the video was uploaded. And if you watch it, it’s almost impossible to see the colors. It was de EBU, once again that overreacted and didn’t handle well the situation. If they didn’t delay the upload nobody would know what happened.

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

But why to do that on the first place then? I think EBU’s decision was ok… We told you not to do It but anyway you decided to do this absurd Nail charade? Here are the consequences and now cry… And of course the portuguese delegation cries… I really loved Portugal at Esc, from now on I Will ignore them.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Aren’t we here talking about it? Simple gestures can raise awareness. Start discussion. Give people hope, let them know we can see them.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Yes, that’s true. But the goal of some people on this forum is to dehumanize and erase the identity of P@lest1n1ans. They go so far as to say that there are no “P@lest1n1ans”.

Darren
Darren
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

A situation that they have no direct involvement in?

Yes, let’s ignore a country slaughtering thousands of innocents, because it’s nothing to do with us.

Pfft

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Ah yes, you’re right. Let’s paint our nails. That’ll show them

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Iolanda, didn’t begin to advocate for peace at the ESC. She’s a longtime supporter of a negotiated solution. Go see her social networks.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

And the EBU is an even longer time supporter of a non political Eurovision song contest. Which she knew when she entered. And should have respected. She could carry on her empty and frankly pointless gestures in her own time.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Patrick, how about you go paint your nails in protest at all the alphabet soup people you so despise? Release your hate that way instead of on here.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I don’t despise them. I dislike the way some of then poisoned this year’s contest

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Because (a) I don’t hate anybody for their sexuality. I do dislike when they weaponise it to bully others unfairly. (b) I don’t believe in pointless empty gestures like these virtue signalling attention seekers

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

So why wasn´t she wearing a yellow ribbon or a hint to the Israeli hostages?

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

“No direct involvement in”

That’s the frustrating part. People want help… but can’t.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

My statement is correct. Bambie Thug has no direct involvement in the conflict. Nor does this Portugese girl. That is just a statement of fact.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Sorry, but as human beings they have the right and obligation to oppose g3noc1de.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Of course. But they don’t have the right to contravene the rules of a 68 year long international competition to do so.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

Iolanda is a 30 year old woman, not a schoolgirl playing hopscotch.

Like I said, yeah they have no direct involvement… but that doesn’t disqualify them from caring.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I never said she doesn’t, couldn’t or shouldn’t care. My point was she was representing Portugal in a clearly non political song contest. Not every person in Portugal would share her views. And the EBU had strict rules about political posturing. It wasn’t about her or what her beliefs are. And all for the sake of a pointless empty gesture

Rory
Rory
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

By allowing Israel to participate and use the competition as a propaganda tool (anti-booing technology, not uploading Eric Saade or Iolanda’s performances because of extremely subtle symbols, allowing Eden the option of not responding to press questions that wasn’t afforded to other contestants etc.) the EBU made their stance very clear. If the flag or symbols of Palestine are inherently political than so are those of Israel, and they should never have been allowed to compete this year if the aim was to keep the contest apolitical.

Poul Riisen
Poul Riisen
6 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

I don’t agree with the artists being called “nobodies”. However, I do agree that it’s a contest with rules. If you take part, you need to respect the rules. If you don’t like them, no pressure, stay away.

Now, I also disagree with all those artists that indeed wanted the attention and publicity by taking part in ESC but on the same time they feel they do something for a cause.

If anybody wants to promote their whatever cause, there are institutions and ways to do it properly and put real pressure.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago

As for the Netherlands the discord on ex has some news from Sweden. Who knows.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago

On the subject of Portugal, they should have used the late great Sara Tavares as one of the two songs on their postcard. RIP

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Yes, ESC should have an In Memoriam section in honor of those former participants that passed away each year. Sara was very kind and passed away too soon.

Raul
Raul
7 days ago

Why my comments here are erased again?I Was not rude bu only defend my point of view . Iolanda is Portuguese. Paid by all of us to represent us . She wasn’t t paid to put her personal opinions in front of her dutties : represent Portugal

her opinion she should keep for herself since to the majority of Portuguese we don’t agree with this war but we don’t agree even more with radicalism

Robert
Robert
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

She is on that stage thanks to her talent and her talent alone, she can express herself in any way she wants.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

She was there because she won an event financed and organized by a public broadcaster. Since I have not followed FdC this I cannot tell whether or not she won the televote or not but it any case, did people paid to cast votes?

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

She won fair and square, and I as a portuguese tax payer aprove her standing.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

She can’t actually. The EBU had been clear

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

But she is talking about her Nails … Can anybody get crazier than that? IS not that they did not show part of her performance, dance routine…but her Nails… That IS beyond stupid.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

I’m Portuguese and I agree with her. You don’t speak for us all.

Robert
Robert
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

No, come one, he is a part of silent ”majority”.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

Don’t make talk about the silent “majority”. The hypocrisy of those people goes through the roof.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

Those radical nail painters…

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

The “funny” thing is it looked like there was a clique of representatives from four countries of which three were riding the coattails of the “favourite”. All four of them had made certain statements. It all felt dishonest to say the least yet they all were the acts of *public broadcasters*.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

LOL! Here we go with the conspiracy theories. Those people probably share the same values…

MaggieMayhem
MaggieMayhem
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

Why are you complaining about her speaking up for 15k unalived children? Very odd…

Willem
Willem
7 days ago
Reply to  Raul

What she did was not radical at all.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Willem

It was human. Simply as that.

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

It was empty gesturing and virtue signalling.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

No, it isn’t. Her support for peace didn’t start at the ESC. Go check her social networks.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago

Moot question but in *good form*: what could have possibly happened had Eurovision 2024 not been held in Malmø but in Lisbon instead?

Robert
Robert
7 days ago

We would have enjoyed nice weather and our wallet would have been more thankful.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

The problem has nothing to do with the local organization. The problem is the EBU’s ostrich-like attitude.

Willem
Willem
7 days ago

Joost would not have been DQ’ed.

Robert
Robert
7 days ago

I love Iolanda. She was quiet the entire time while others were stiring the pot and making drama but in the end she was the only one that went in front of 300 million people and made a clear statement. No words written in klingon, no palestinian underwear, no diplomatic statements…

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

Yes, she’s like that. A very good person with a big heart.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago

🙁

Alaska
Alaska
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Why are you said, husband?

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Alaska

My ice cream cone fell on the ground. 🙁

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

(I’m proud of that metaphor)

Alaska
Alaska
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I said said, but I meant to say sad.
(this is a little haiku I just wrote for you)

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Alaska

Thank you. My saidness is floating away already, little by little.

Sh1ft_key
Sh1ft_key
7 days ago

Thank you Portugal
I already wrote our public broadcaster here in Switzerland to speak out too but I don’t expect it. We Swiss have always been highly opportunistic people and the German guilt weighs on us too.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Sh1ft_key

That guilt is very heavy indeed. History should not repeat itself. It should not be erased either.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Yes, and those who suffered the atrocities at the time should not be mimicking the actions of their executioners today.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

They’re not. Truth is that Jews were not sa fe before Isr ael was created even long before ww2, nor after, and all that considering what’s been happening since their sta te was created.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago

They are not safe in Malmö 2024 either. A Jewish guy from my country brought a huge flag of my country he carried openly outside and smuggled a tiny Israel flag into the arena because it was so unsafe to be identified as Jewish. Facts!

Thanos
Thanos
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Let’s mention for the thousandth time here that an Israeli flag and a Jewish symbol are too completely different things. Pushing the narrative that an entire and diverse people’s group is by default associated with that particular entity is straight out of Bibi’s playbook.

Thanos
Thanos
7 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

So many Jewish people, including Holocaust survivors or relatives of survivors around the globe stand bravely against the said entity and have my full and utmost respect. Especially Jewish people should know the dangers of what Israel is doing.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

They’re not COMPLETELY different. The Star of David… but yeah, like everyone else on the planet, no two Jewish people are alike.

We are all born as a human beings.

(My new favourite phrase, I say it everyday now)

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

The point was going around with an Israeli flag would almost certainly have caused him physical harm. In Europe. In 2024. if he chooses to bring this flag, it’s his right and it should concern nobody. But here we are. People just love to ignore what doesn’t suit their narrative.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

I’m sure some would make him wear a yellow star if they could.

Milan
Milan
7 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I thought it was “we are all burn as a human beings”, must have misheard it.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Milan

That would make sense too, but no. #ClimateChange

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

Tell that to the monsters on the streets of Malmö, they sure didn’t differentiate. I have first hand reports and videos my friend sent me. Bibi has nothing to with it. I’m not the one going mad at certain flags.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

No, no…as Ricardo wrote: These people care for host@ges and are for peace, they would never ever harm anyone with an Isr@eli flag. Never ever. Really.

(If you find sarcasm in this message, you can keep it)

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Sorry, but they are doing the same thing. They became the perpetrators of the same crime against humanity that they were victims of. Go look the legal definition of g3noc1de. It’s happening in this precise moment in G@z@.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Reality does not support that legal definition.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Well, sorry to say but your reality is warped.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

You said: “Yes, and those who suffered the atrocities at the time should not be mimicking the actions of their executioners today.”

Could you please explain but please limit yourself to the events of ww2.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Simple, the government and the army of Israel are committing g3noc1de in G@z@ as we speak. Do I need to be clearer?

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Yes please, while referring to the events of ww2, to make it more clear, the H o lo ca ust. THANK YOU.

Sh1ft_key
Sh1ft_key
7 days ago

The total dehumanisation of the Palestinians. South Africa, who itself has a similar history, filled 9 pages full of genoc!dal quotes by Israeli politicians and read it out in front of the ICJ in January.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Sh1ft_key

Apartheid in South Africa and the history of Is r ael are totally different. Grasping at straws.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

No, they aren’t. That accusation has been supported by several United Nations investigators and NGOs including some from Israel. They have concluded the Israeli regime has met the threshold to be considered an apartheid state. Go see the reports from Yesh Din and B’Tselem.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Ok, to be clearer: The H0l0caust was one of biggest crimes against humanity, but that doesn’t give Israel carte blanche to commit another. It gives them more responsibility to avoid it.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

You made no argument whatsoever.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Legal definition of g3noc1de: Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of G3noc1de). At least the first… Read more »

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

The first four letters can be applied to ANY war conflict. The problem here is in the proof of INTENT, the dolus behind these actions. Taken that, Oct 7th was also a g*nocidal intented action. And H@m@s is not really secretive about their final go@l…

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Relevant points.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Proof of intent: the reference to “Amalek” made by Bibi.

Sh1ft_key
Sh1ft_key
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

The final goal of the right wing zionists is a Great Israel without a Palestinian people.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

You’ve probably copied that definition from somewhere and *stated* that “At least the first four items are being committed …”. That’s no argument.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Yes, I did. Obviously, I don’t know it by heart. So, can you tell me what’s a valid argument for you? That’s de definition and those acts are being committed by the IDF. You may not like it, but facts are facts.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

And if you want more arguments, please see the references that Bibi made to the work “Amalek”. I’m not religious but I know the meaning of that word.

Willem
Willem
7 days ago

And it certainly should not be repeated by the former victims.

Jonas
Jonas
7 days ago
Reply to  Willem

“Former” victims?

There is no such thing.

Nicolas
Nicolas
7 days ago

Don’t these broadcasters know the rules about ESC being a non political event ? And what about pre-recorded vocals distorting reality too ? I have boycotted eurovision live shows but not for the reasons you would think. I still can’t accept pre-recorded vocals and even more now since covid-19 is behind us. Also seems like the eurofansdom is completely living in a bubble. You can’t imagine the bad publicity they have been given to ESC because all the controversy. Many people who have never seen the show or since a lond time have been horrified of what they have seen… Read more »

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Nicolas

Exactly. The EBU is killing the contest with terrible rules like playback vocals and the toxic fandom is nailing the coffin shut. No wonder random watchers see it as a sh*t show. I used to point out the positive aspects but I now I have to agree with the uninformed outsider perspective. This was an incredible sh*t show. And I fear the people in charge have no intention of fixing it.

my2p
my2p
7 days ago

The EBU have rules. She didn’t follow them. They could have chosen not to upload her performance at all, like they did with hypocritical Eric Saade, but instead they probably used their time, money and resources to correct her rule break, and they really didn’t have to do that for her. So many artists have used the contest to try and boost their careers and then slate it 10 minutes after they’re done being a sponge, ALSO using the de.aths of civilians to try to look like the martyr that they’re not. It’s beyond classless. If any of these whingers… Read more »

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  my2p

They are trying to be part of the solution to a bigger problem. They are advocating for peace, human rights and decency.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I rarely notice the word PEACE on the pro-Palestinian demonstrations and i hardly notice a call for the release of the Israeli hostages. But maybe i just miss something.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Yeah, probably your vision and hearing. Everyone that defends peace also condemns the other side atrocities and want the hostages’ safe return. People cannot be silent when g3noc1de is being committed in front of our eyes. You have to read what the United Nation’s special rapporteur for Palestine Francesca Albanese has been saying in the past few months.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Why aren’t they safely ba ck? They’ve been ta ken more than seven months ago. Why???

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago

Many of them are unfortunately dead and some would tell nasty stories, which H@m@ss does not want us to hear, albeit seeing the folks here, i do not think that r@pe/abuse would change their mind much…seems accepted here.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Don’t be stupid. Nobody here approves of the atrocities committed by H@m@3. You should raise the question with the Israeli government, about the fact that it ignored the warnings from Egypt, the United States and even some female IDF soldiers who were guarding the border and who clearly said that something was about to happen. Furthermore, the actions of the Israeli government in recent times do not seem to show that they are the first priority. The first priority is to destroy G@z@ until nothing is left. All of us here hope that as many hostages as possible are returned… Read more »

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

“Using the hostage card” must be one of the most cruel and heartless statements ever, not to say outrageous and devoid of reason.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Sorry, but its’s your manipulation of the meaning of anti-semitism that is “one of the most cruel and heartless statements ever, not to say outrageous and devoid of reason”. You purposefully try to blur the lines between being anti-Semitic and being against the actions of the Israeli government and army. In your definition, any criticism of your government’s behavior is anti-Semitism. I will be clear one more time we care about the fate of the hostages. Probably more than the Israeli government whose actions have demonstrated the they are not their first priority. And for your information there are citizens… Read more »

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I only said that – your words – “using the hostage card” -must be one of the most cruel and heartless statements ever, not to say outrageous and devoid of reason.’

Please refrain yourself from projecting beyond those little words of mine that are to be taken at *face value*.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

I know that acknowledging reality is hard, but deal with it. Everyone here care about the hostages, so don’t use them to silence the critics. As I said above some of them are my fellow citizens.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Oh, really, everybody here cares about the hostages? Too bad i never read anything confirming this claim of yours.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

You are being selective in your reading. Lots of people including me have said it. And I will repeat again. I care for the hostages and some of them are my fellow citizens. But the solution for all of this must be negotiated, otherwise I fear the outcome will be terrible for everyone involved.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Not hard to negotiate. Immediate release of all Isr@eli host@ges vs. immediate ceasefire. The sooner, the better. For the abused hostages and for the populace of G@z@.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Again, please do not try to project onto what I said.

That the k hatu fim are not sa fely back is a tra gic reality for many wno have to acknowledge and deal with it.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Victim blaming at its finest. It is not the Isr@eli government holding them. It is H@m@ss and the other terror/st verm!n form G@z@. The war suffering of G@z@ could end the moment, these surrender or lay down their arms and release ALL hostages. PRoblem ist, Isr@el can be pressured by the USA/UK, but noone can pressure H@[email protected] given the solely anti-Israeli comments here, the criticisms of atrocities seems to be very one-sided, even when taking into consideration, that H@m@ss is not an ESC-contestant. Being born in a communist country, i unfortunately now very much about far-leftist hypocrisy.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Sorry, it’s not victim blaming because no one is blameless in this entire story. And all of this show us that we shouldn’t see these problems in isolation. Actions have consequences, and sometimes those consequences arrive years later. You should read more about the politics of the Israeli government undermining the P@lest1n1an Authority and indirectly supporting H@m@s. It was predictable that sooner or later this was going to blow up in his face.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

“No one is blameless in this entire story” – really?? Talk about the fallen of 7 Oc t and the survivors and their families including children left without parents and parents without their child or children to say the least.

*Nothing* can justify what happened that day in Israel.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago

I can remember how horrified and furious I was, when I saw Naama being treated by that POS, the same with Noa and Shiri Bibas and the kids. I wish everyday, that this horror stops and pray, they return safely, especially Naama an Noa. I really hope, that peace will prevail one day.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Nobody is justifying what happened on that day. It was an atrocity and the perpetrators must pay for it. But you can’t commit another one in response. That’s not the solution, you are radicalizing future generations even more. You are perpetuating the cycle of violence, because some of you are blind with rage and vengeance. And please don’t use the victims’ families, because some of them clearly expressed against de course of action of the Israeli army. I know this is a cliche, but those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Nobody is justifying it? I mean, on which planet are you living? There were demonstrations on Oct 8th celebrating it, and even today there are justificational and denialist narratives being spun at these demonstrations. And again, i rarely see the call for ceasefire linked with the call for the release of hostages.
It is H@m@ss holding them. They ought to release them. Not Isr@el.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Francesca Albanese has a staunch anti-Israeli bias and can be hardly be taken seriously. Especially when in an interview in Australia she literally said, that Israel was supposed to react with “law enforcement”, basically call the police.
And the ICJ ruling, as clarified by the then-president judge, clearly stated, that there is no genoc/d/e.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Sorry, fake news. The ICJ issued a decision on 26 January 2024 ordering Israel to take specific provisional measures to prevent the crime of g3noc1de against the P@lest1n1an people in G@z@. As you can see Israel didn’t take that into account, so we will see what will be their definitive answer. And Francesca Albanesa bias is only directed to reality, so stop trying to discredit her.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I am referring to an interview with the judge-president of the particular ruling. I am pretty sure she knows more about international law and the meaning of the ruling than you do. Btw, no need to discredit Albanese, she does that on her own, but i am sure she has her fandom.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

“Bias” directed to “reality”? Really????

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Yes, really.

my2p
my2p
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Advocating for peace, human rights and decency are all honourable traits that I agree with should be the end goal for all, but I feel that sentiment should always stem from a place of equality and respect.

She, like many I’ve seen here, has chosen a side and ran with it. I understand her intent is, more likely than not, from a place of kindness, but as seen here, that approach sadly causes more division.

Shanahan
Shanahan
7 days ago

RTP clocked the EBU’s tea bye

Poul Riisen
Poul Riisen
7 days ago
Reply to  Shanahan

More drama. I now realise that eurofans just live off of unnecessary drama.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago

And in the meantime Israel observed Yom HaZikaron – Remembrance Day. Take a look at what it means and maybe you won’t be as vocal and loud and proud of your “activism” anymore.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago

Lost cause. The minds of these people are broken beyond repair.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago

Well, let me say then that currently the IDF’s actions do not honor the significance of that day and in due time the ICJ will corroborate this view.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

The ICJ will also corroborate the view, that resistance by any means is not legal.. As a straight ESC fan i am really shocked how the wannabe-tolerant LGBTQ+ community, or atleast the here acting G-part is so misoygynist and seems not to have much problems with young females being held as hostage and being abused.

Robert
Robert
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Are u talking about 11- 12 year old palestinian girls that are being held in israeli prisons for years or does it only apply to israeli females?

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Robert

I was talking about the Israeli women/girls kidnapped on Oct 7th. I am a staunch opponent of administrative detention as i considered it unlawful from the perspective of the legal surrounding i come from.

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Men were taken too and their families suffer the same.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

You see, it’s that one sided vision that will perpetuate all this hate. Both sides have committed atrocities. What is your answer? Revenge. How many times do you want to repeat the cycle? As one of the smartest Jews that ever lived, said:

“The definition of insanity is — doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.”

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Slabsson54

Sorry, but you’re lying. Nobody here ever defended kidnapping and rape of women. It’s that insane position of yours that if we criticize IDF actions we are in supporting of the terrorists. The side I’m taking is the side of civilians that are being slaughtered.

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
6 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I never wrote,that someone is defending it. I wrote ..(…) and seems not to have much problems with young females being held as hostage and being abused (…). And when scroll thru the latest articles, i have not really found an explicite, ex ante statement regarding this topic by those, who are anti-Israeli here.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago

I know what to do. Replace the Eurovision crowd in the arena. That’s what was wrong with the contest. No more entitled pricks thinking they own the contest. Give the tickets away for free to bored locals if that’s the only way you can fill the space, it’ll still be a better look than the tired old bunch you have now. And maybe just skip all press conferences altogether. They’ve always been an embarrassment with no real journalism. The brand new feature of harassment hasn’t made it better.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

How convenient of you! Let’s silence all the dissenting voices. Sorry, but I live in a country that suffered 40 years of dictatorship. Today we still suffer some consequences of this prolonged repression and the dictatorship was overthrown 50 years ago. I will not tolerate lessons from people like you about entitlement, freedom of speech. The people involved in this discussion are defending humas rights and human decency.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Oh honey, bullying a 20 year old singer into oblivion and shouting over a song to ruin the experience for everyone has nothing to do dissenting voices. You are not martyrs, you are troglodytes and I will not tolerate you to claim decency for yourselves.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

*nothing to do with

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

I’ll say it again. She is not innocent. She is about to enlist in the IDF, so she is complicit, otherwise she would declare herself as conscientious objector.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

In a country with mandatory service, how exactly can you be a conscientious objector, whatever that means? I bet you’re the kind of deluded person who conscientiously objects when he gets beaten to death. I’m sure it’ll work out great.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Others had the courage to do it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusal_to_serve_in_the_Israel_Defense_Forces

And some are exempt, like de Haredi, aren’t they?

Slabsson54
Slabsson54
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Shani Louk did not serve in the IDF and it did not help her. Being murdered, mutilated and paraded like a trophy in front of a gleeful mob. I guess human decency does not count for her…

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Well, if they all were exempt, they’d all be dead by now. Not everyone wants to roll over and get killed by terrorises just to look good in the eyes of delusional „activists“ at Eurovision. That’s my best guess, anyway.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

*terrorists

sparkling points
sparkling points
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Why are you even pretending to try to s-ha-me a young woman for her own mind and her decisions?

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

And you expect letting random people from malmö into eurovision will make Israel less prone to be booed? Lol

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

Well granted, that particular city… It’s byebye Malmö now, it probably can’t get worse than that. Maybe a bit of vetting to see if people are terrorist sympathizers might be a good idea going forward, though. I’m not even joking. This isn’t a football. When you boo certain contestants, you already have an unfair playing field. It makes the contest the ultimate joke and forces me to finally agree with those who claim it’s always been a farce.

LUO
LUO
7 days ago

We should open some betting odds for the next Eurovision drama… It is sadly getting ridiculous and it’s all on EBU

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  LUO

People like Martin Österdahl and Noel Curran must step down. Their position is not sustainable anymore.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Fire Österdahl? Sure! But let’s be realistic, they would just pick someone worse.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Although Martin sending a proxy to the press conference is remarkable. Was he afraid to get booed again by a few people after getting booed by an entire arena?

BadWoolfGirl
BadWoolfGirl
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Very likely, I wouldn’t blame him for not showing his face in public again after being booed like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s put on the hot seat afterwards.

Ricardo
Ricardo
7 days ago
Reply to  Ari

He was afraid of another booing in the press conference room.

Ari
Ari
7 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

I think so too but it seems incredibly cowardly. He can’t do his job in front of a small group of petty fans who he accredited but he can endure being hated by the entire Malmö arena on live tv? Weird.

Thanos
Thanos
7 days ago

Bravo Iolanda, bravo RTP, I hope mor broadcasters follow suit.

Thanos
Thanos
7 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

Under these circumstances I find the lyrics and interpretation of Grito to hit even harder. I am glad I supported this song since day one and voted for her in the final!

Dr. Fergal Sherlock
Dr. Fergal Sherlock
7 days ago