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The tensions between the EBU and Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS seem to be growing by the day. This all comes following the disqualification of the Netherlands‘ representative, Joost Klein, moments before the Eurovision 2024 grand final, due to an incident that occurred backstage.

AVROTROS complained about “unsafe environment” at Eurovision before disqualification

While the EBU maintains their strong position, declaring that they have a firm zero-tolerance policy towards inappropriate behaviour at their event, AVROTROS has revealed that before the Netherlands was disqualified from the contest, they had lodged a complaint with the EBU about an “unsafe environment.”

The Dutch broadcaster expressed through news site NU.nl that their complaint was based on experiences that happened before the country’s disqualification and they filed a complaint on 10 May, one day before the grand final. Although AVROTROS did not provide specific details about the details for their complaint, they acknowledged that they “recognise the picture” described in complaints made by other artists and delegations.

AVROTROS also expressed their disappointment in the EBU’s decision to use anti-booing technology, stating that it prevents viewers from hearing the reality and genuine reactions of the crowd, thereby creating a false impression: “We believe that when a musician performs you should always show what it does to the audience.”

Dutch outlet AD.nl reported that before the written complaint AVROTROS filed on 10 May, there was a verbal complaint to the EBU on 9 May.

AVROTROS responded unfavourably to the EBU’s decision, expressing their belief that disqualification was an “excessive” response to the incident. Consequently, AVROTROS opted not to announce their own jury points during the grand final, leading to a strong negative reaction from the audience when the contest’s Executive Supervisor, Martin Österdahl, took on the task.

The Dutch broadcaster currently remains silent on whether they will participate in Eurovision next year or not.

S10 recalls her own Eurovision experience

S10 represented the Netherlands at Eurovision in 2022 with the song “De Diepte.” Following the disqualification of this year’s representative, Joost Klein, S10 has commented about how such problems are not new in Eurovision. S10 empathised with Joost’s issues, declaring that she herself had a difficult time when competing, as staff members did not respect the boundaries of the artists.

She expressed that she experienced similar issues backstage, where the incident involving Joost Klein occurred this year, attributing it to the failure of the backstage staff to create a supportive environment for the artists. She also criticised the excessive filming of artists during vulnerable moments.

“There were many people who crossed my boundaries, mainly backstage (where it went wrong with Joost). It is not a nice environment for artists. Filming (emotional) artists in vulnerable positions on their way to/from the stage was intense.”

What do you think about the “unsafe environment” that AVROTROS reported at Eurovision? Should the EBU pay more attention to the boundaries of the artists? Let us know in the comments below.

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Peggy Sue
Peggy Sue
4 days ago

EBU should support the artists. Sounds like they are doing the opposite.

Patrick
Patrick
4 days ago

Leaving aside for a moment whether or not Israel should have been competeting, who were rhe artists doing all the stirring? the narcissistic, attention seeking pronouns mob. That’s who .

Karl
Karl
4 days ago

Israeli outlet Ynet confirms Eden Golan’s televote advertising campaign was organised by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sykjyhaza

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Karl

And? Other countries did similar things. BUt I guess it’s only wrong when it’s the Jews, hm? You people….

Maria
Maria
3 days ago
Reply to  Christian W

What countries examples please

BiCHOTA
BiCHOTA
5 days ago

EBU is a disgracd

Héctor
Héctor
5 days ago

I mean, I’m all in with AVROTROS. We need to get to the bottom of this issue and take down everyone involved in such outrageous decision. It was completely abusive, unfair and it’s clear not every delegation played by the same rules.

I’m happy some broadcasters are looking for clarification, not only because of this incident but also about the bad management of the overall situation. M.O. and other high staff members should be packing.

Positive discrimination against that one country is going to have and adverse reaction in the end.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago

IS THIS FOR REAL FROM THE UK?….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0clgpCqB84

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani

It’s real in the sense that it’s a video. Less than two minutes in he’s making fun of queer people and massively misrepresenting the contest. I think it’s pretty easy to see that it’s yet another YouTuber disguising their anger and confusion with life with the notion of being “conservative”.

Bani
Bani
4 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

Anything to add about the “gentleman” with the white pijamas speech?….

Kosey
Kosey
5 days ago

I read that Joost is doing really good streaming numbers post the contest. Has this ever happened for an artist that didn’t appear at the final? If he turns into another Maneskin or Rosa Linn, will Eurovision have the gall to claim him as one of their own?

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Kosey

Most definitely. Martin Österdahl will proudly view it as the success of his brave and unprecedented decision.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Like Kanye taking the credit for Taylor Swift.

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago

Keren Peles is again complaining about Joost on her Instagram stories. She also asked Dutch folk to stop threatening her :’D

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Keren Peles is a s&!+t stirrer.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

And why and how is that funny?

Jessica Folcker
Jessica Folcker
5 days ago

I’m starting to think that Eurovision should be like Olympics and should happen every other year (if you take in count both Summer and Winter Olympics) or better yet every 4 years. Hopefully the quality of songs would have improved, countries would have had enough time to save money to participate, wars would have had time to play out etc…

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago

No.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Yugoslavia won in 1989. Four years later, they didn’t even exist anymore.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago

More likely: it would go extinct.

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
4 days ago

So you are saying all wars and conflicts in this world will be fixed before the summer olympics in july?

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago

Why was Konstrakta at semi-final one?

BadWoolfGirl
BadWoolfGirl
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Support and she was the spokesperson for Serbia this year.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  BadWoolfGirl

She was Teya’s competitor not so long ago, and the spokesepeople don’t usually fly out to the host city. I love Konstrakta, so I’m not complaining. Just wondering.

Sonam
Sonam
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Helena Paparizou did that also

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Sonam

True

Kosey
Kosey
5 days ago

The plot thickens.
Basically, it seems like the EBU did not take the issue of artist welfare seriously. Therefore, it seems slightly contradictory to take an artist’s reaction to those issues seriously.
It always seemed like a very fishy decision at the time and everything that is coming to light afterwards is not changing my mind.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Kosey

You were wrong about the the EBU instructing the jurors to vote for Croatia. It’s at least possible you are wrong about this. Fears and suspicions are not evidence.

Kosey
Kosey
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Technically, I’m not sure I was that wrong. My argument was that the EBU would want a very strong jury winner. Just so happened it was Switzerland rather than Croatia. I also think it serves the EBU to have the Netherlands excluded, thus freeing up the televote for a strong winner to compete against Israel and Ukraine. Given what happened last year, I have lost faith in the fairness of the voting system. But perhaps it was ever thus and ever will be. However, I will still call out actions that, based on information available to me, make no sense… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Kosey

If the EBU were so anti-Israel, they did a VERY good job of covering it up. From the fake cheers, to the crackdown on Iolanda’s fingernails… what you suggest just does not ring true for me. They can hardly manage the very basics, nevermind such a dastardly plot. Especially without one of the 200 jurors or a HoD squealing.

You’re right, though, what do WE know? The EBU are a mystery.

Kosey
Kosey
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I don’t think they were “anti” anyone, I think they just had a good idea about who would be the best winners from their perspective.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Kosey

Geneva 2025?

GregZ
GregZ
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Zurich 2025 would be better 🙂

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Switzerland though? The way Switzerland is an equally unanimous jury winner as Sweden last year makes me wonder. It’s a musically strong entry, well sung and performed so I guess it makes sense but with so much to choose from, it seems at least interesting. Then again, I complained about Italy’s staging myself, I didn’t work for me, either.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Personally, I think jurors are often not clued in on what their job is. They see this contest as a vocal talent reality show. Nemo had everything in that department, and more… all the while spinning madly on a dish. I can see why they went for it, especially over Croatia.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Over Croatia most definitely.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago

Zorra > SloMo

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

(Can we go back to talking about the songs? :()

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

A lesson learned from Mustii and to a lesser extent Olly Alexander: If they’re not bringing good vocals to the pre-parties, they’re not going to miraculously become Maria Callas the week of the show.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Nah. Zorra is a lovely zorra but Chanel turned her mediocre song in something big. I’m still impressed. The guys in zorra may have dressed like Chanel but that was it.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Chanel > Nebulossa, but Zorra > SloMo.

Raul
Raul
5 days ago

Dont you have a life?

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago

One of the best moments of this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nih3mKu51sM

Besties forever! 🙂

MaggieMayhem
MaggieMayhem
5 days ago

Wow, just saw that 13(!!!) countries have now submitted official complaints with the EBU. Netherlands was the first…EBU has a lot to answer for. I hope these countries will unite and threaten to withdraw for 2025.

Darren
5 days ago
Reply to  MaggieMayhem

All 13 regarding the Netherlands or the other thing?

MaggieMayhem
MaggieMayhem
4 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Various reasons, some about the Israeli delegation, but the majority about the safety of the backstage area.

Boo
Boo
5 days ago
Reply to  MaggieMayhem

Be careful what we wish for imagine next years Eurovision gets cancel? Is that what the unhappy Eurovision fans want?

Green
Green
5 days ago
Reply to  Boo

Yes, if eurovision is gonna protect a country currently comminting a gen0cid but then have the nerve to disqualify someone else it need to be canceled

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Green

So… If your fascist ideology and your fairytales do not get taken into regard, because they are…. just made up – you want everything destroyed? This is the problem with your lot: Destruction and negativity is all you people have.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
4 days ago
Reply to  Boo

yes cancel this show, as if we care that much about this current eurovision lol

Maria
Maria
5 days ago

We should all ask ourselves one question: When Loreen would have made this kind of gesture towards a mail photographer, would the EBU have disqualified her?

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

I forgot to add after a very vulnerable moment.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Hard to imagine, Loreen seems way too controlled to ever take the bait. Plus her Eurovision songs don’t have personal moments, the lyrics prevent vulnerability of that kind. But no, I honestly can’t see any scenario where the EBU would ever disqualify a Swedish act. Maybe a Norwegian one. Unless they compete for Sweden. I find it unimaginable.

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

I used Loreen, but off course I mean any woman in particular instead of a male participant

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Ah I see, I thought it was about Sweden, not women. Good point though. Women artist “threatening” a male photographer? No way this would’ve been handled the same way. Double standards. A male would most likely not even think of reporting this and fear he’d be ridiculed. You can’t make a juciy story like that with a male, unless he is at least a double minority but even then I’m not sure.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

No man should fear being ridiculed. This is often why female domestic abusers go unreported, and unnoticed. Another symptom of toxic masculinity culture. Sad.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Very true! A completely underestimated problem.

BiCHOTA
BiCHOTA
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I agree with almost everything that you said, except for the toxic masculinity part (not saying it doesn’t exist but it doesn’t have to do with such situation)

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

If a man reported the incident to the police, and an investigation launched… well the, yeah, I’d say the same thing would happen.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Loreen is too Zen.

Boo
Boo
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

You mean too stoned

Maria
Maria
3 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

It’s not specific about Loreen, I used her as an example of a female artist.

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Male 😉 photographer

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Maria

If there even was a police investigation and she told the police, that yes, she threatened someone, then… most likely yes. This is not about gender, this is about someone not in control of his actions.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Darren
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Love them

BiCHOTA
BiCHOTA
5 days ago
Reply to  Darren

* her

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  BiCHOTA

You’re a despicable little person.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago

Remember when Thorsten Flinck was booted out of Melodifestivalen 2020? He was under police investigation too, but at the same time innocent until proven guilty. Jan Johansen stepped in as replacement vocalist at the last minute.

Anyway, I guess what I’m wondering is if Joost hadn’t been so popular, tipped to win… or let’s say it was Sasha Bognibov for Moldova… would people care as much?

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I don’t remember anyone being particularly outraged back then.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

I’m sure people would be outraged at any injustice the gentleman Mr Bognibov is facing and totally believe in his innocence.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Naturally. Lovely guy.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

What happened to Thorsten, anyway? Was he innocent? This is of course a whole other level. The day before a Eurovision final, a qualified finalist, an entire country. It doesn’t get more dramatic than that.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

I don’t remember ever hearing about it again. Although I think Thorsten had fallen into a drug problem, and his life is still not in a great place. I believe he has a podcast about it, or something.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Yeah, it’s on another level, but the same principles at the core. Justice is justice, and should be equal on ALL levels. No?

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Absolutely. It should be. And I’m not sure it’s justice to miss a career opportunity if you’re only being investigated. A really tough situation.

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

You have a very twisted sense of justice.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Do I?

Please elaborate.

Bombalurina
Bombalurina
5 days ago

End the partnership with MoroccanOil. Find a Turkish sponsor or something IDK

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Bombalurina

That’s jumping from the fire to the frying pan. There are certainly companies from other European countries interested in sponsoring the event.

FunQ
FunQ
5 days ago

Avrotros starts to be annoying. If an artist doesn’t want to be on camera after a rehersal, or doesn’t want to be interviewed, just stay at home and don’t participate to Eurovision. I hate to put myself on display on the socials so I don’t post my picture. These artists want to attend Eurovision, the place with the highest number of cameras and photocameras in the world, and then they complain and make a mess, with the support of the broadcaster. Each one has to respect the work of the other. If you don’t want to be on video just… Read more »

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago
Reply to  FunQ

She should’ve respected his wishes, they weren’t that demanding. He just didn’t want to be filmed when he got of stage. Artists should also be given the opportunity to relax a little. But no TikTok girl was desperate to get a vid of him crying. It’s disgusting.

FunQ
FunQ
5 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Do you understand than in a messy and complicate organization like the Eurovision informing all the technicians, the crew, etc. of the personal wishes of 37 delegations may be a little complicate? You don’t want to be filmed. Just wear a hat and a pair of thicksunglasses and that’s it. All the major stars, from Madonna to the famous actors di that when they want to go out and being a normal citizen. Unfortunately being famous and a star has problems, too. I believe the behaviour of Avrotros is the one to raise a dust cloud in order to justify… Read more »

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago
Reply to  FunQ

As Jan Demulder, a Belgian camera operator who worked backstage at Eurovision for ten years, has explained: doing your job also means respecting the wishes and boundaries set of the performers who often work up to 14 hours a day during Eurovision week. The Dutch delegation specifically asked for this TikTok lady to take it down a notch. They had an agreement with the producers that she would. She did not comply.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

If you need privacy, I would say Eurovision and 800 million viewers may be not be for you… Victim blaming is what this is, nothing else. Strange how they hold their nose into any freaking camera for 2 secs of exposure from March to May otherwise…

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  FunQ

Beyoncé is one of the most famous people in the world. This does not mean the Grammys usher the paparazzi in to the backstage toilet.

FunQ
FunQ
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Of course not. I didn’t know she was a camera operator that had to do videos for Tiktok. But, again, you don’t want to be filmed, you just call a member of your delegation, and hide behind him if you don’t want to be filmed. I would ban TikTok, just for you to know. I didn’t know he was crying, too. But ok. This thing has grown even bigger than it had to be. If Avrotros thinks their rights and the one of Joost Klein have been attacked, just file a complaint against EBU and SVT. Continue to poison an… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  FunQ

Human dignity above all else!

Fatima
Fatima
5 days ago

I sadly think that all this will be used by the EBU as a reason not to issue so many – or even any – accreditations to the fan media next year. Because although no fan media were the cause of any of those flashpoints, their presence can only add to the pressure on the acts. I don’t want that, but I would like to see a less demanding rehearsal schedule, especially for semi 2. Perhaps have the semis on Monday and Wednesday so there is more breathing space before the final.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

The fan media doesn’t have access to the backstage where all the drama took place. EBU must own the s*!%tshow.

Sal
Sal
5 days ago

I think everyone is getting a bit carried away here (as usual) and keep on blaming the EBU but think about it. The person who Joost intimated or threatened filed a complaint with the Swedish police and obviously did so with enough evidence that it could be at least investigated. Based on that, how could the EBU let a contestant under police investigation perform? It makes perfect sense to me that they disqualified him. Now, I know what you are all gonna say about Israel BUT Eden Golan is not under investigation for anything and neither is the Israeli broadcaster… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Sal

Yeah, what you say is true… but it was the EBU who hired people to intrude on the personal space of vulnerable people.

FunQ
FunQ
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Jonas, they are not in their personal space. They are walking from the stage to the dressing room with a lot of cameras around. What will you do if you were there with your mobile phone and seing Joost Klein passing by? Wouldn’t you ask him to take a picture with you or shake hand? Do you think an SVT’s camerawoman will not point the camera to a singer just coming down the stage after a rehersal? Celebrity has its own deawbacks. If you don’t want to be a celebrity, you don’t go to Eurovision. Just stay at home and… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  FunQ

They are not in their personal space, fine, let’s say that… but they ARE in a workspace. Which means the responsibility lies with the people in charge. The boss. The EBU.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

You are just trying to find a reason to criticize the EBU here now. Instead you should ask why Joost Klein could not control himself better.

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago
Reply to  Sal

Just because the police was called doesn’t mean he is guilty of anything. There is people who call the cops if their pizza is delivered with the wrong topping.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Uhm… He actually told the police that he did it, so… we were already a step further down the drain when he was disqualified.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Sal

There was an agreement not to film Joost after his performances, an agreement that was apparently broken several times, which triggered this whole situation. If the EBU wants to talk about a safe environment, then this has to apply to everyone, EBU employees and artists.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Sal

The problem with Eden Golan is the double standards. There are lots os reports of misbehavior by members of the Israeli delegation that were ignored by EBU. On the other hand, any behavior, on the part of other delegations, that violates the minimum EBU rules, is subject to censure and persecution.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

You are so obssesed with EDEN…. Looking for a date Ricardo?? Looks like you really need a “1nightstand” to do you GOOD… – It may well relive your frustration 🙂

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani
Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

No complaint was filed against Eden Golan, as far as I know. The complaints are against delegation members and should be taken seriously. Even now, none of you see Eden as her own person.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Ari, as I’ve said before the guilt doesn’t reside with Eden. The other members of the delegation misbehaved and KAN showed poor judgment to begin with.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

What Ricardo?? Reacting to the bullying of Bambie is callded misbehave?… Pee on the RIGHT TREE Ricardo – Not on my leg and say “it’s raining” 🙂

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani
Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

The problem with people like you is that what you are seeing is one of the oldest Antisemitic tropes on earth. Pure Germany 1933. And you fall for it. Bambie Thug and her antisemitic mob were constantly provoking people with their activism. So far none of the “Oh the Israeli delegation were bad Jews”-stories panned out the way they were told. All of the stories involve stuff that happened before the Israeli reaction to it. So now it looks as if the Jews are the bad guys. Basically like October 7, you know?

Nash
Nash
5 days ago
Reply to  Sal

Basically what you are saying “he is under investigation therefore he shouldn’t perform “ is exactly what Serbian head of delegation said she has problem with – Netherlands shouldn’t have been disqualified for “investigation “ that can also result in not guilty. If Joost was forbidden entrance to arena, video of his performance from dress rehearsal should have been used in the final (just like Iceland 2021) and Netherlands was a still legit finalist. Disqualification is a too harsh of a punishment for “investigation”

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Nash

By the time he was disqualified he had already admitted threatening the photographer to the police. Why don’t you people know all the facts? The “not guilty” part can be skipped. Next!

ANDREW BROWN
ANDREW BROWN
5 days ago

Please just tell us what happened!

Bani
Bani
5 days ago

BREAKING: F@KE NEWS (!!!) about VOTE MANIPULATION !!! What the distinguished @activist Karl (below) is trying to push – is monumentally F@KE / SC@M NEWS (Be aware!!!). The pseudo reporting comes from Grayzone and W. Reed – who is a correspondent and managing editor of The Grayzone. He is a journalist at the Russian state-owned news agency SPUTNIK !!!!!! What people won’t do to spread F@KE NEWS…. (Karl is really trying hard to spread his Pr0paganda… hence the clean-up is necessary… 🙂 )

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani

I just sent your phone number to Kim Yung Un!!
You will be contacted asap.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  FizzPunk

Great !! We’ll pass together by your home (when we meet) for your pumpkin soup … Do you do btw deliveries?? 🙂 🙂

Eyal
Eyal
5 days ago

Why did this issue with the camera women go to the police in the first place? Did it happen immediately? Did the worker want it to, or is it just bureaucracy?

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Eyal

You and I we both know why.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Tell us, Karl

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Nope. I don’t entertain gen.o.cide apologists, sorry.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

I have never once in my entire life apologised for gen o cide, just for the record.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Eyal

According to one hearsay, the woman herself directly went to the police.

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

Dutch Eurovision officials have said that she didn’t even want to talk to them, let alone Joost. She was out for blood.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Leaving room for speculation: was it her own doing or did some higher up encourage her and promise her a nice reward for pushing this so hard? Like, first she can’t stop filming him, then she can’t even face anyone from the Dutch delegation? I guess it’s possible she went rogue without consulting the EBU, I know we should not be surprised, but I still can’t quite believe the EBU would willingly compromise their own brand. The strong boos for Martin personally surely came as a result of the Dutch situation.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

It’s that detail that bothers me and others.

It seemed to me that AVROTROS tried a measured approach by proposing that everyone sit down and talk and that Joost apologized. The person concerned did not even want to consider this offer, as far as we know.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Maybe she just did not want to be threatened… Crazy thought, I know.

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago

Joost is innocent until proven guilty. I will not feed into any other narratives until the investigation has concluded. However, even if he was totally in the wrong, something like this was going to happen given the huge tension brought to the contest by one country this year. It’s very hard to be in a bullying environment, with all the pressure of the contest, and behave like an angel 24/7.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

You are right Marlinken…. and Still – with all the bullying, booing…EDEN did it brilliantly and on top – with CLASS

Nick
Nick
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani

Yes she let her delegation do the bullying for her

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Nick

What a QUEEN !! A DIVA !! Learn and be jealous Nick 🙂

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Nick

Whereas Babmbie needed to do ALL (!!) the bullying ALL (!!) by herself… 🙂 (she didn’t trust her team as she needed ALL the spotlight for herself ONLY 🙂

Truth
Truth
5 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

Then don’t participate. If you can’t act like an angel for a week, you can’t be a performer.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

Uhm… Joost Klein had already admitted he threatened the woman, when he was disqualified. This whole “innocent until proven guilty” BS from TV – forget it.

Sebas
Sebas
5 days ago

The EBU has so much blood on their hands, from gaslighting the public into believing lies about Joost (with EBU mentioning “young female staff member”, again why does the gender matter and that she is young) and just completely losing control of the narrative they set… or well that’s what they wanted, who knows. To all the other delegations basically pointing fingers at one other delegation but the EBU is ignoring all of that and just reenacting that “dog in the middle of the fire” meme and saying: “This is fine”. It’s absolutely outrageous.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Sebas

Uhm… The EBU did not spread any lies about Joost Klein. You however are spreading lies. Oops. Klein admitted he threatened the photographer to the Swedish police and was then disqualified. Why don’t you people know all the fact and yet think you were lied to? This is all very scientology on here…

Jonny
Jonny
5 days ago

Yeah, but S10 was not threatening anyone. She managed it.

Alaska
Alaska
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

Yeah, but no one has repeatedly filmed her without her consent.

Sal
Sal
5 days ago
Reply to  Alaska

She hinted that’s exactly what happened.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

That doesn’t make it right. There should be nothing to manage. People should just be left alone when agreed upon. It’s not a reality show. Not on paper, anyway. I also wanna see the reactions of everyone when they get their televote points, from 300s to 0s. And that’s ok, it’s a live broadcast, you sign up for that. But to be ambushed backstage maybe even when you were promised not to is a violation in my view.

Eyal
Eyal
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

You are absolutely right, but I think the issue lies in his reaction. We can either accept and understand his behavior (because he asked for privacy and it was not respected), or we can agree that, no matter what, it is not ok to threaten someone.
Another issue is the punishment. Here, we need more information to understand why the EBU chose this step.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  Eyal

It is never ok to threaten anyone, for sure, but if the reports are correct… honestly, a real threat is something different for me. If he didn’t touch her, just had a tiny little verbal or nonverbal slip and then even immediately apologised… come on. How threatening could that have been? I have no love for this guy, but the consequences of this mishap are frightening. If true. If you really mean to threaten someone, you don’t apologise immediately. And aren’t EBU employees supposed to be on the side of the artists making the show for the EBU? Shouldn’t the… Read more »

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Ari

^^^^THIS^^^^

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Ari

But it’s not what a threat is for you or anyone else. The Swedish police asked him, he admitted it, end of story.

If you don’t want to be filmed, don’t participate in a TV show. I find it ridiculous that everyone is jumping up and down and asking for Joost’s privacy to be protected on a show watched by almost a billion people. That’s all SO off….

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

There was no tiktok back then? so it has gotten worse.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago

It’s ok to treathen a woman I guess. Nice message AVROTROS. Just take your b*llsh*t outside.

Eden Golan is trashed by the audience when on stage and you don’t see her threatening the camera crew members and being that weak when she was backstage. What a world.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

As of now, I don’t blame Joost. I don’t blame the woman. I blame the EBU.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

He’s the problem. Blame the guilty man. Why avoiding it and looking for excuses? The same thing should be applied to the journalist that harassed the other contestants. You behave like an *ss in the hole? Get out of here. It’s that simple.

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

I don’t approve of what he did but he was under very high pressure, and asked this woman several times to stop filming, she ignored his wishes. He immediately went up to them to apologies, but the EBU didn’t mention that in their statement. They focused on the fact she was a young female photographer to make things worse, for Joost, that’s gaslighting. They wouldn’t even have mentioned it when the photographer was a man.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

You don’t have a proof of what he did. I don’t believe any sh*t until I see receipts. He’s guilty until proved otherwise.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Uhm… NO. That’s not gaslighting, sweetheart. Get your buzzwords straight.

If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Also: This kindergarten logic – “He apologised”. Huh? So what? That does not change the fact that he threatened her and apparently damaged her equipment as well, but HE is the victim here, of course. And you people wonder why women hardly ever report being raped. This behavior by just about everyone on here is the reason.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

For what exactly, nobody knows but we sure get the hint…

fever
fever
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen
  1. In their first statement days ago, AVROTROS has admitted Joost’s misbehaviour, and highlighted that they DO stand for good manners.
  2. According to some witnesses, Joost has apologised to the lady at the very moment for several times.
  3. AVROTROS extensively contacted EBU with several options offered, including Joost’s public apology, holding a talk of all parties, and a shared statement. EBU refused all of them and still recklessly DQ Joost.

With all these being said, I can hardly see how AT suggests “It’s ok to threaten a woman”?

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  fever

Always witnesses and never concrete proof. He’s out for a reason after the Swedish police investigated on his case. They estimated he had to be disqualified. Accept it. Move on. Switzerland won and Netherlands were out.

Epicurean
Epicurean
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

Swedish police admitted it was a nonsense complaint and closed the matter very quickly.

You’re a bully and abuser how you treat an autist like Joost.

All parties involved agree it was nothing except for the EBU who have routinely shown to create unsafe working environment for many artists as we have heard plenty of stories now.

Nasty how you defend that.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

Sources, honey. Give me the sources. Show me the proof. What you write is air until you show me something

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

Swedish police have not admitted that at all. That’s lie #1.

He is not an autist. What are you talking about? Lie #2.

It is not true that all parties involved said it was nothing. Lie #3.

Also: Mr Klein made very clear during the press conference of the 2nd semifinal what he thinks about bullying himself, so…

Rall
Rall
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

Regardless of your stance on this particular issue the EBU has conducted itself terribly across the board. They basically they blamed the delegations for every single issue this year (and there were many) and took absolutely no responsibility for anything whatsoever.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Rall

The rules were simple tho. Wave anything linked to your country flags and the LGBTQA+ one. And the one complaining all did the complete opposite. The artists aren’t innocents here. The Israeli delegation that with its members that harassed the other delegations. All of them have to follow the rules. Many other delegations did the same and they aren’t de*d: Croatia, Armenia, Ukraine, Sweden, Spain, UK and others. Follow the rules

Maria
Maria
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

No, he was dq’ed before they investigated his case. according to a spokesperson of the Malmö police it was a very small incident. What happened to innocent until proven guilty.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Maria

That’s not how it works, honey. Minimise such things are terrible. Imagine all women being in that situation and minimising the violent acts men have towards us and labelling it as ‘not important’. Because yes, it is. He showed violence and had to be punished for it. Y’all are defending him cause he’s a fan favorite. That’s just miserable.

Shame on you Joost. Your parents would be ashamed to have a son like you.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Maria

Uhm. Nope. Why do you people blatantly lie? Of course he was investigated before being disqualified and of course he admitted to having threatened this woman, which is why he was out.

You are also lying about the fact that the Malmo police said it was a small incident. That is simply NOT true. Never happened.

Eyal
Eyal
5 days ago
Reply to  fever

So if the EBU insisted, they are either working like a normal organisation, or the camerawomen didn’t accept the apology.

Christian W
Christian W
4 days ago
Reply to  Eyal

Also: This is not how it works in the adult work. You do not commit a crime or criminal offense and then simply say sorry and all is well.

MaggieMayhem
MaggieMayhem
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

Lol, you just hate him because he challenged your precious Eden at the press conference. We’re not moving on until the EBU answers for their double standards and all the shenanigans with the Israeli delegation.

Ari
Ari
5 days ago
Reply to  MaggieMayhem

Two wrongs don’t make a right. He was awful to Eden and looked like a lousy character to me due to that but it’s nothing compared to the EBU. Making a guy look like a criminal due to DQing him from the final he qualified for when he basically just briefly hissed at someone for violating his privacy is dystopian. Making the worst bully of the year the EBU itself.

Fatima
Fatima
5 days ago
Reply to  MaggieMayhem

He challenged the adjudicator rather than the singer, Maggie If the adjudicator hadn’t said “you don’t need to answer that” then this issue might not even have arisen. But that proves your point, the EBU were giving Israel special treatment.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  MaggieMayhem

Don’t get me wrong honey. I hate both of Eden and Joost songs.

I just hate injustice towards women and the glorification of men being rude and violent towards women. Which is exactly what he did to Eden. He only git his karma right up the *ss with being disqualified. I laughed so much at this.

Now I hope the Israeli journalists that harassed my loves Bambie Thug will get punished too. No excuses for all

Sebas
Sebas
5 days ago
Reply to  Ellen

It’s also okay to threaten men I guess? Why does the gender matter? Explain that to me you … anyways, explain that.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Sebas

The question of gender is a dog whistle. For several hours after the news broke, EBU was silent, letting rumors of very bad behaviors circulate in the media. If that wasn’t on purpose then it was gross negligence. And the EBU failed miserably.

Ellen
Ellen
5 days ago
Reply to  Sebas

Twisting my words, like a good pet from the internet.

No one deserves to be threaten. Joost was violent. He got his europap*ss kicked out. Fair and square. Get over it

sucof
sucof
5 days ago

the worst edition of Eurovision, from the turquoise carpet, to the technical problems up to the protests!

Basti
Basti
5 days ago
Reply to  sucof

I dont understand how this could happen. Of all places, it happens in Sweden lol. It seems to me SVT lost its spark. I dont think the shows were as good as in 2013 and 2016.

Lisa
Lisa
5 days ago
Reply to  Basti

I don’t think this was SVT’s fault at all.

Eyal
Eyal
5 days ago
Reply to  Basti

I thought it was such a great show, especially the first semi final. Elegent, funny, great hosts.

MaggieMayhem
MaggieMayhem
5 days ago
Reply to  sucof

The protests could have been easily been avoided…

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago
Reply to  sucof

This ESC has been a black hole of chaos and misery. I don’t even have post-ESC depression this year. I just feel like millions of us across Europe have been locked in a room while people scream. Traumatic.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago

Any word on how Joost is doing?

I hope he is reclining on a Caribbean island, cocktail in hand, his feet being massaged by someone pretty.

Epicurean
Epicurean
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

He is doing fine, he went to a fan Eurovision after party and then back to The Netherlands.

EBU messed this up big time.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

Good to hear.

I wish the EBU had taken a signal from Agnete, Norway 2016, and realised that not everybody is able for this onslaught of pressure.

Neuro awareness is the missing ingredient.

Lisa
Lisa
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

What happened to Agnete in 2016?

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Lisa

Nothing, she just opted out of all the press attention. Due to mental health concerns. She realised early on it would be too much for and so said NO.

Acts should not be made to feel this ridiculous type of intrusive scrutiny is part of the deal.

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

Too much for her

Fatima
Fatima
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

That’s why I think there will be little or no fan press accreditations next year. The EBU were cracking down anyway, now they have an excuse to pull the plug. Also I predict no pictures or clips from any of the individual rehearsals.

Despicable Annie
Despicable Annie
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

What you’re saying here is that not everybody is cut to be a celebrity. Especially one whose image is based on fishing for attention.

Seddik
Seddik
5 days ago
Reply to  Jonas

He’s got a gig at a festival upcoming Sunday.

FizzPunk
FizzPunk
5 days ago
Reply to  Seddik

Crown The Joost!

David
David
5 days ago

Im hoping the removal of Luktelk from Spotify isn’t the start of artists removing this years entries out of protest ? ??

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  David

What happened? Some form of protest from Silvester?

David
David
5 days ago
Reply to  David

It’s indeed not available for me. But neither is the official album… only the Karaoke version. I think this year’s show was so hard to enjoy. Yes I am aware I feel get to know why – I’m aware, and yet that’s still hard to swallow as an experience overall

Jonas
Jonas
5 days ago
Reply to  David

Is the ancient rune-stone still available?

3art
3art
5 days ago

Woman complaining that she couldn’t get through to vote for Israel. When the presenter asked her what other songs she liked, she said just Israel… and that she hasn’t really watched the show. This is the problem now with voting being open for several hours, voting manipulation much easier, you just need to create politically sided WhatsApp groups and tell people to vote within a long time frame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_EjxxVGJU

3art
3art
5 days ago
Reply to  3art

and another reason to keep juries (hopefully with more members)

Alaska
Alaska
5 days ago
Reply to  3art

Some posts on Festival da Canção’s Instagram are filled with comments where people claim they have voted for Israel without even watching the full show. That says a lot about the motivation behind the “massive support” that the Israeli song had across Europe…

3art
3art
5 days ago
Reply to  Alaska

And you just need to check the ESC 2024 Spotify stats to see that Israel’s song is not anywhere near the top, so clearly people did not vote for the music https://esctracker.com/spotify

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  3art

Mid age and older population don’t use Spotify…. Bottom line: it says NOTHING 🙂

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Alaska

Portugal is a traditional society – they didn’t want to watch s@tanic rituals, men in female corset or men4rent in toilet acts… normal.

Epicurean
Epicurean
5 days ago

Funny to read these comments on here defending Israel and proud to have some European support – yeah the support they have are literal far right nut jobs, islamophobes and f@scists.

Telling these are the people Israel is proud of having their support lol.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

Yep, the “silent majority”.

Arch
Arch
5 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

Birds of a feather flock together. Israel’s government = far right.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
5 days ago
Reply to  Arch

yeah i know, i mean Benny had lunches with infamous journalists like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, says more than enough if you ask me

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Epicurean

As usual… Leftoids meltdown 🙂 Surprise, Surprise… even Jordan Peterson likes music…. and he does not need ANY authority from Left0ids to support whoever he wants !! Now Buzz-Off with your “Cry Baby” frustration

Kobe
Kobe
5 days ago

Has Österdahl not been fired yet?

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Kobe

We keep hopping..

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

Send a letter to Santa…. 🙂

Karl
Karl
5 days ago

Ruxandra or someone at Wiwibloggs, please write an article on Israel’s vote manipulation. I just posted the link to the source.

Despicable Annie
Despicable Annie
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Take your obsession with Israel somewhere else

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago

Please, don’t try to silent dissent.

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

F@KE NEWS ALERT !!!!! F@KE NEWS ALERT !!! KARL is spreading a Russian News Source to DISTORT INFORMATION. Don’t trust this @gent (You’ve been W@RNED)

David
David
5 days ago

EBU?

European Bullsh*t Union

Alex
Alex
5 days ago

Jesus if I was Martin I’d resign at this point.

Karl
Karl
5 days ago

BREAKING: Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs admits to vote manipulation in other countries to boost Eden Golan’s televote score, as reported by The Time of Israel and The Grayzone.

Alex
Alex
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

All this manipulation and they still didn’t win the televote lol.

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Alex

I already suggested that Bibi should ask for a refund from the experts he hired.

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Link:
thegrayzone . com/2024/05/14/israel-astroturfed-eurovision-vote/

Despicable Annie
Despicable Annie
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

All that block of text and zero proof of any vote manipulation going on, just huge budget for promotion… in New York where the vote contributes to a larger vote that accounts for 1/38th of the total from the public. Seems like vote manipulation is the new excuse to explain the great result of someone you dislike.

Scotty
Scotty
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Link to the source

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Scotty

I just posted it above.

Nicolas
Nicolas
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

Oh great , what a reliable source. An explicit antisemit site that should be report to authorities.

Karl
Karl
5 days ago
Reply to  Nicolas

lmao did you know the founder and preside of The Grayzone is journalist Max Blumenthal, a Jewish man? Cope harder.

Nicolas
Nicolas
5 days ago
Reply to  Karl

mediabiasfactcheck .com/the-grayzone/

Jo.
Jo.
5 days ago

omg eurovision is like the ellen degeneres show

Dr. Fergal Sherlock
Dr. Fergal Sherlock
5 days ago
Reply to  Jo.

Cancelled 🙂

Ricardo
Ricardo
5 days ago
Reply to  Jo.

It could be worse, like Jerry Springer.

Darren
5 days ago
Reply to  Ricardo

The Wiwibloggs comment section is more of the Jerry Springer vibes if I’m honest lol

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago
Reply to  Darren

And that’s before I started battering Israeli’s with my d i l d o.

Darren
5 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

lol

That was too classy for Springer though. That’s prime entertainment

Bani
Bani
5 days ago
Reply to  Marlinken

Dildo Marliken???….. You are so Miser@ble you can’t get anymore the REAL thing?… 🙂 🙂

Marlinken
Marlinken
5 days ago
Reply to  Bani

Haha! Gurl, If only you knew…

Ifty
Ifty
5 days ago