It was one of the major news stories a month ago when Dutch particpant Joost Klein was disqualified from participating in the Eurovision final pending an investigation behind the scenes.

And today Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS published an update, asking for understanding that not everything can be made public yet.

Disqualification of Joost Klein

Regarding the disqualification, AVROTROS said:

The investigation into the incident after Joost Klein’s performance in the 2nd semi-final is still pending at the Swedish Public Prosecution Service. During this investigation, we unfortunately cannot go into the details, the circumstances, and the handling of this incident because this could influence the investigation.

We can say that based on the information we had then and have now, we still believe that the disqualification was unnecessary and disproportionate.

EBU investigation

AVROTROS confirmed that they, and other participating countries, have received a request from the EBU to cooperate in an investigation regarding the incidents occurring at Eurovision.

But they want it to go further.

AVROTROS believes that a broader, more in-depth, and truly independent investigation is needed to address structural problems.

The broadcaster states that the role and mandate of the EBU Reference Group, plus the rules and procedures in the event of complaints, should be the subject of such an investigation.

The investigation should also look into the increased pressure on the artists and delegations in the run-up to and during Eurovision, and such an investigation should be done by a recognized and independent research agency.

Future Dutch participation

Closing the update, AVROTROS mentions that:

The Eurovision Song Contest was created to connect countries and peoples through music and to encourage mutual brotherhood. This should be the starting point for the organizers and all participating countries.

The broadcaster wants to be confident, that the artists and their musical message are at the center of the contest in the future. Otherwise their participation in Eurovision is unsure:

Until AVROTROS is confident that structural adjustments will be made to the artists and their musical message back in the center, we will keep participation in the Song Contest under consideration.

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Brötchen
Brötchen
1 day ago

If Joost would’ve been a vocal Israel supporter he would not have been disqualified 🙂
The hate campaign of war crime lovers against him has been insane.

LawnaDellPlay
LawnaDellPlay
3 days ago

Cry me a rive4

Dida
Dida
5 days ago

Bye, Felicia. No one’s gonna cry for them, especially after Joost’s diva attitude like “Oooh, don’t film me after the rehearsal?”. Who do you think you are? The Swedish team had to film ALL the participants, and yet only him had to act like a spoiled child.

Anna
Anna
5 days ago
Reply to  Dida

Bye Dida. It was after second semifinal, not rehearsals. And they had agreed not to film Joost just after him coming from the stage. Mind you the Netherlands delegation didn’t care about filming as such, just not straight after the very emotional ending of Joost’ show. But The camera person didn’t respect the agreement and didn’t respect Joost.

Anya
Anya
5 days ago
Reply to  Dida

Asking for a little room around a person with a trauma isn’t much more demanding than asking for some help to avoid stairs if you’re in a wheelchair.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
5 days ago
Reply to  Dida

we dutch are superior over other dumb europeans

Bettie
Bettie
5 days ago
Reply to  Dida

How about respecting the artist wishes when he’s teared op and emotional, give them some privacy a lot of countries complained about safety.

Fatima
Fatima
3 days ago
Reply to  Bettie

Well yes … though he was happy to be teared up and emotional in his actual performance, which was broadcast to millions

Im so fab
Im so fab
6 days ago

I want Tele 60% and Jury 40%.

The corruption of the juries the past 2 years has reached its peak.

I’m rooting for a massive country withdrawal next year.

Calo
Calo
7 days ago

As with other peers here… We wish we get a REAL Eurovision based on music ONLY (!!) – with live orchestra, real voices, and the secret is: simplicity (as was the edition in Lisbon 2018 or in the past) – so it is not as expensive and other countries can join due to restricted budgets…

Look how it’s done: Poland 1994:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL5rmmpiHp8

MissYouMrTakeItAway
MissYouMrTakeItAway
7 days ago
Reply to  Calo

…and Poland 1995 with Sama?

Doris
Doris
6 days ago
Reply to  Calo

True, ban leds, props, tattoos (EBU has to respect chinese TV who pay broadcast ESC)

MissYouMrTakeItAway
MissYouMrTakeItAway
7 days ago

Hey Wiwiguys! Please get updated: on another Eurofan site they posted Bern & Biel are considering a joint bid for Eurovision 2024. If they win, we would have -for the first time in history- 2 cities together hosting this event! How does “Bern & Biel 2025” sound, huh?

Darren
Darren
7 days ago

I dunno how feasible a joint city would be. Other countries have tried in the past.
Probably Bern would host the actual live shows, but Euroclub, opening ceremony etc could be in Biel?

jercle
jercle
5 days ago
Reply to  Darren

1993 (a long time ago I know) was effectively a joint hosting by Millstreet and Killarney. The contest was in Millstreet but everything else (hotels, official receptions, the 1993 version of Euroclub) was in Killarney. Different times I appreciate, but it didn’t really work, though I guess much would depend on how easy it would be shuttle between Berne and Biel.

Still, better to keep it all in one city I think. Would work out much more expensive with double the security etc.

LawnaDellPlay
LawnaDellPlay
3 days ago
Reply to  jercle

Millstreet was a farm

Doris
Doris
7 days ago

New rule : a super jury of exclusive music experts should disqualify any country sending bad songs and singers right at march deadline. We would been avoided Finland,Netherlands,Croatia,Estonia and some others.

Bettie
Bettie
7 days ago
Reply to  Doris

That will ruin Eurovision, youngsters won’t watch anymore, we need a mixture of songs

MartyMcCu
MartyMcCu
7 days ago

rule change should be: any country at war domestically or internationally, should sit out for a year, at the very least allow them to have a jury and public vote but no song. so yes this should apply to any participating countries, if a war continues, regardless of who is the victim or who is the aggressor. The reason is the potential situation to politicize the event, and turn it into propaganda, and if there is any controversy with a certain country tantamounting to security issues, and demonstrations, or agression then they should stay out. No better place next year… Read more »

Melissa
Melissa
6 days ago
Reply to  MartyMcCu

Issue: Despite me being in favor of Israel sitting out for the crimes the country has commited… I’m not 100% sure I’m okay with Ukraine getting kicked out of the contest as well despite fighting a defensive war against Russia, but I also agree, war is always ugly and no matter what country participates, defensive or offensive, it’s hard to find a country that never committed some form of inhumane acts as war itself is inhumane and this applies for Ukraine as well. One of my main issues with Ukraine for example is the Azov Battalion, while I don’t want… Read more »

jercle
jercle
5 days ago
Reply to  MartyMcCu

It’s the only way I can see out of the Israel situation. Remember, Germany has said it will pull out if Israel is disqualified. Having a blanket ban on all countries engaged in an active war would mean that wouldn’t happen, as Israel wouldn’t be singled out. Would be sad to see Ukraine go, but it might be the only way. No one wants a repeat of this year.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
8 days ago

Netherlands-Russia stronger together, how strong we can be together

to be teaming up to get rid of the EU and the EBU

i am sure Daddy Putin is laughing out loud at the hypocrite amateurish losers within the EBU

Tino
Tino
7 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Putin has absolutely no interest in Eurovision

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
7 days ago
Reply to  Tino

watch Intervision comeback slaying though, without the political correctness of recent ”eurovision”, without the hypocrisy of ”no politics in the contest” rule either

we netherlands should also return to participating in that

Daddy Putin i always loved him

Kim
Kim
8 days ago

Is it me, or was this year a disappointment? All this distraction took the shine off the contest. Before the contest, the winner was so wide open I thought the voting would be exciting, but after 5 minutes even the voting bored me. Petra didn’t seem great, SF1 she was awful, improved for SF2 but was awful again in the final. Apart from Uk judge she had no interaction and just appeared rude, all she could say was ‘May we have your 12 points please?’ Interval acts and start of the shows weren’t great, and now all the talk after… Read more »

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
8 days ago
Reply to  Kim

amazing to see eurovision flop big time this year!!!!!! younger generations really ruined this contest, with those non-binary freakshows and other fake singer nepobabies

back in the glory days there were no freaks, but just a contest about one thing and one thing alone, music

cancel eurovision, it has no place in current times

Patrick
Patrick
7 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Eurovision had the highest rating this year. Again your mouth has diarrhea! You have no idea about reality! Your post used to mad, now I am just laughing and feel sorry for your poor parents!!!

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
7 days ago
Reply to  Patrick

who cares about ratings, they just tuned in to see that troll from israel, whom bribed the televoters to spam vote for her without listening to the songs

Patrick
Patrick
6 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

You dont understand how TV works…You must have so many daddy and mummy issues….Its crazy!lol

Fatima
Fatima
3 days ago
Reply to  Kim

Well I think that Petra save the show on Saturday because the wheels were coming off. But then no-one was going to boo her. I do agree with you Kim on the jury voting sequence. Such a waste of time to have 37 spokespeople, all wanting to say their piece, along with a time lag, just to give us one number. It was quicker, and more dramatic, when they just gave the votes off screen.

Otto
Otto
8 days ago

Norway has joined the Dutch stand and not confirmed participation until changes have been realised. Let’s hope more will follow.

NickC
NickC
8 days ago
Reply to  Otto

Portugal, Spain, Iceland, Ireland, UK… the ball is in your court.

Bettie
Bettie
9 days ago

They also need to investigate the influence of sponsors such as the oil-company and TikTok.

Dimitris
Dimitris
8 days ago
Reply to  Bettie

What kind of influence would an American and a Chinese company have in the matters of this contest where everything is about the participating countries. Neither of these have an influence on the quality of the contest nor has ESC become a completely commercialized event like the Super Bowl halftime show for example. It’s not called the “Moroccanoil Eurovision Song Contest”

Anna
Anna
5 days ago
Reply to  Dimitris

I think Moroccanoil had great influence this year considering Israel. Without them Israel’d most propably been disqualified from the start.

NoMoreEscAddicted
NoMoreEscAddicted
8 days ago
Reply to  Bettie

Spotify and Deezer should be the sponsors and it would make more sense for a song contest.

Melissa
Melissa
8 days ago

Yeeeeeah I don’t think Spotify will want to sponsor a contest that had Who The Hell is Edgar compete in it lol

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago

I broadly agree with AVROTROS on this. Too much is being expected from acts and delegations and the whole set-up needs simplifying. Do they really need that many rehearsals? Must they always be looking for exclusive social media content? Can’t a way be found so that acts don’t have to peak for both the jury and grand finals? It makes the producers job easier to know the jury result on Friday, but it doesn’t help the artists. I’m sure the gruelling schedule helped push Klein to the edge, but we saw a better example with poor Baby Lasagna. He admitted… Read more »

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

Silvester Belt said something similar, like straight after the final.

It was gruelling and emotionally challenging on most of the acts this year.

Because of the EBU.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

the acts need to get to know the stage and quality of sound though? and you need enough rehearsals for that

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

But does each show really need three runthoughs? That’s especially tough on those in semi two who are then drawn early in the final (as was Klein).

Dimitris
Dimitris
8 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

Yes, 3 is the minimum needed number as it’s obvious by the mistakes made. I’d argue they’d need a fourth (without audience) in some cases. Also keep in mind that there’s demand and many people can’t afford to go to the live shows. The rehearsals are a nice way for people to enjoy the contest at this time where everything is getting more and more expensive. And the extra money from the tickets help the existence of the contest (Martin said that ESC is already non sustainable currently)

Fatima
Fatima
3 days ago
Reply to  Dimitris

Then a simpler format is needed. Fewer props, less complicated staging, less opportunity for mistakes. The artists matter most of all and they are being milked dry.

Denis
Denis
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

You need many rehersals though. You need to get to know the stage plus all technical aspects such as in which camera to look or try out the sound. You need more than two rehersals.

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

But come on man if It is you, the Eurofans, Who are always demanding more and more… You cant just wait to the Big Final and enjoy Eurovision. You need crappy preparties, bloggers and websites dissecting songs, weird interviews to singers full of stupid questions, tops, polls (Who IS the best blond singer, singer with glasses…). Eurovision nowadays is a Freak show where songs are secondary.

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonkonfui

Well yes and I think “we” will be the first to be hit, Jokonfui. I can imagine that fan press accreditations are going to be cut back in Switzerland. Personally I’d like the contest to go back to basics with fewer props, less frills and shorter shows. Much as I love William’s interviews on it, we don’t need a Turquoise carpet. Give the guys a day off on that Sunday.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
8 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

what do we care about your opinion LOSER

Jonkonfui
Jonkonfui
8 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

I think rehearsals should not be open to public or media… And after this year, EBU and organizers should start thinking about press… A serious event cannot give press passes to youtubers and bloggers Who are not able to behave… No Matter what your opinions are but if you are accredited press you cannot shout Free Palestine during Israeli rehearsals, It is stupid, childish… If you are against a specific country and you are media just ignore them country…

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
9 days ago

United Kingdom with Queen Anastacia in 2025 please please

her newest song ”Highs and Lows” truly slaps hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jonny
Jonny
9 days ago

Why they’re hiding the facts?

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

Legally, nobody can say anything until investigation is complete.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

nothing to hide, Joost is innocent, even if he is found guilty (which he will) after authorities being bribed enough by the fascist ebu

i am done with eurovision, and i hope something horrible will happen next may, what do i care about the brainless artists going to switzerland

Andy
8 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

I know, right? The EBU is funded by tax money. Every single day that they’ve ignored discussing things, is a massive FU in everyone’s face.

Barry
Barry
9 days ago
Reply to  Jonny

What facts, you seem to know more.

Anya
Anya
9 days ago

I actually do think it’s good, this Eurovision song contest. The concept, I mean, the idea of it. This surprises me, because I ruled it out a long time ago as “too shiny”, I like my music….unpolished. The Swedes invest in it, seems to identify with it, and as a Norwegian, well, we don’t always take it very seriously. At least, I don’t. We just sent one of our best bands, they came last. Then I learn that some have intense, detailed and well planned advert-campaigns to gain televotes, and then I learn that some countries can’t afford to participate.… Read more »

Calo
Calo
9 days ago

I don’t know what all are triggered here…
STOP (!) ALL blaming: Joost, SVT Camera lady, Israel, Bambie, Marina etc..(It’s only the excuse)
If countries withdraw – Martin and Co. will replace them with left over Melfest acts and start turning it to Swedovision and enhance Swedish music industry (that is the plan!..) – so get ready… more plastic to come..

Anya
Anya
9 days ago
Reply to  Calo

Nah. Even Sweden needs the rest of us to be their audience.

Azuro
Azuro
9 days ago

Someone been smoking the dutchie obviously.

Your artist assaults someone and you start thinking your the ones who can lay down the law.

Tino
Tino
9 days ago
Reply to  Azuro

Quite funny that you say this… I mean apparently it can work this way, no? Israel continues to assault another nation and it seems they still rule the law.
What broadcasters are discussing here is not what happened to Joost. It is what happened to the whole competition this year.

Robbert
Robbert
9 days ago
Reply to  Tino

Exactly!!!

Kosey
Kosey
9 days ago

What an incredibly bad smell that all of this generates. Of course, no-one really knows exactly what happened but my view is that the damage has already been done. What a shame!

NoMoreEscAddicted
NoMoreEscAddicted
9 days ago

At this point I’m tired what about the successes post Eurovision of Marina Satti, Slimane and Bambie? I mean even if thid edition was the most weird and the most disappointing for the majority, there are still sources of satisfaction in this chaos, and by respect for the artists it would be cool to emphasize it too and not only focus on the negative things of this year cause there’s a positive things too. Eurovision has still its good side bringing success to some artists. Before coming at me, I understand too the disappointment of some people and particularly from… Read more »

Thanos
Thanos
9 days ago

I am really happy the artists you mentioned are successful as they deserve it. Being Greek I am especially happy about Marina’s worldwide success which is huge for a Greek artist.
Nevertheless I am strongly in favour of continuing talking about what happened because we can’t let it happen again next year. If we care for the contest we must continue speaking out

NoMoreEscAddicted
NoMoreEscAddicted
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

And I’m happy about the big success of Slimane worldwide too and in Greece particularly, no I didn’t say to stop talking about it but just to not forget that there are still good things that came from this edition too.

Robert
Robert
9 days ago

I mean the fact that EBU has an incompetent president of croatian delegation in their reference group says enough that it’s obviously on a wrong path. Saying that as a croatian.

Noel
Noel
9 days ago

The Netherlands need to deal with the EBU as the singer did wrong and they have to deal with rules

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Noel

You don’t know that though so how can you say the singer done wrong?
Swedish police dropped the case, and from what I see, the agreement put in place by AVROTROSS, the EBU and SVT before the contest was breached by a staff member of SVT.

So of course Netherlands will contest their DQ it was completely unfair

Tino
Tino
9 days ago
Reply to  Noel

What we’re discussing here is bigger than what happened to Joost.

Robbert
Robbert
9 days ago
Reply to  Noel

We don’t have to deal with EBU at all. Let EBU deal with all the commotion and protests first, instead of blaming delegations and artists. And it’s the right of The Netherlands to step out if there are no changes in approach towards artists and if there are no good procedures in case of complaints. Stepping out of the contest would be a good sign, even if other countries will be asked for a higher financial contribution in that case , as The NL pays the 6th highest contribution now.

Doris
Doris
10 days ago

Talk talk talk. Hyprocrits delegations. Structural changes on minor things and not on the most important ones : back to full live singing and full random running order.

ANDREW BROWN
ANDREW BROWN
10 days ago
Reply to  Doris

Completely agree. Away with fixing running order on the pretense of time changing equipment etc in limited time.

Thanos
Thanos
10 days ago

It’s time for all broadcasters to put pressure on the EBU. Lots of things happened this year that shouldn’t have occured. MoroccanOil’s money and the EU’s alliance with Israel won’t be of any use if there is no contest to begin with.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

Facts! You say it as it is Thanos I like that

NickC
NickC
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Me too. Kudos to both of you!

jercle
jercle
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

I think they’re worried that any criticism of Israel or calls for its disqualification will lead to accusations of anti-Sem itism, and no one really wants to be branded that way. It’s a very powerful tool Israel uses to avoid criticism.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  jercle

That’s Israel’s go to trope for everything. Who isn’t an antisemite these days by their logic?
EBU needs to grow balls. This vibe will get worse and wires each year until they do something anyway, otherwise other countries will withdraw.
Best to do it now for damage control going forward.

Thanos
Thanos
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Israeli Minister Ben Gvir even called Biden a H@mas supporter. I mean people are really on the verge of losing their minds I guess by now xD.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

They only show their own ignorance, especially Ben Gvir, the biggest nut job of them all.
They don’t even know the meaning of the word antisemite clearly.
And by throwing that word around so easily, actually weakens the meaning of the word and takes away from people who actually are being antisemitic

Thanos
Thanos
9 days ago
Reply to  jercle

And in my view Israel uses this in a disgraceful way. They always are against anyone instrumentalizing the Holocaust for making comparisons and they label pro-Palestine people anti-sem itic fully removing every meaning from the term, thus being disgraceful against their ancestors’ suffering.

Robert
Robert
9 days ago
Reply to  jercle

Antisemitism is a word zionist like to hide behind. It holds no weight.

Robert
Robert
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

Wait until zio bots wake up and turn those 17 upvotes into 20 downvotes lol

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Robert

lol “SiLEnT MaJoRitY” incoming

Thanos
Thanos
9 days ago
Reply to  Robert

I am fully ready, but this doesn’t accomplish anything anymore. We all know that’s fake. And everybody is beginning to see that.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Thanos

I really really hope so

jercle
jercle
9 days ago
Reply to  Robert

Not as many downvotes as I’d thought there would be. They must not discovered this page yet.

Tino
Tino
10 days ago

I hope Netherlands will withdraw and that other countries will follow so EBU has no other choice but to take strong decisions. I hope my country will put pressure on EBU as well. It’s time for revolution.

SpiritRangersAndEurovisionSongContest
SpiritRangersAndEurovisionSongContest
9 days ago
Reply to  Tino

Yeah, I agree.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago

i massively respect Turkiye for being one of the first in having exposed the corrupt evil ebu

Knut Olav
Knut Olav
10 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Well, Erdogan is under strong pressure than he’s ever been, and if he loses the next President election I expect Turkey to be back at Eurovision.

Knut Olav
Knut Olav
10 days ago
Reply to  Knut Olav

Stronger pressure.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago
Reply to  Knut Olav

shame, Turkiye shouldn’t return to this corrupt swedovision

Nemo only won because he is a guy in a pink flamingo dress and because he sucked osterdahl’s dick the most

Adam
Adam
10 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

In the words of Elton John, “You are a rude, vile pig!”

Fatima
Fatima
10 days ago

AVROTROS, you already went into details by claiming it had been agreed with SVT that Klein would not be filmed backstage.

Alex
Alex
10 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

It’s not about this agreement they made with SVT. Many people came up with conspiracies regarding the incident when they don’t know what really happened, so AVROTROS had to clarify in their statement.

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Alex

Exactly my point, Alex. A bit late now to say no comment

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

yet he was still filmed backstage, by the trolls of the israeli delegation

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Yes, I saw that and is was wrong. But we already know that the DQ incident was not that one.

Alex
Alex
9 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

I have yet to see evidence that Joost was filmed by the Israeli delegation. I only know about KAN’s video of Israelis arguing with the eurobird and another Dutch person, but not Joost.

Bettie
Bettie
9 days ago
Reply to  Alex

He was filmed in the smoking area by Keren Peles among others , the video is on YT

NickC
NickC
10 days ago

I second the opinions below. EBU will only act if multiple countries withdraw. Come on Europe, just do the right thing…once, for a change.

Barry
Barry
10 days ago
Reply to  NickC

Exactly, if they don’t put pressure on the EBU they deserve an extended 2024.

NickC
NickC
10 days ago
Reply to  Barry

They kicked Russia out only when multiple countries threatened to withdraw. Their moral standards are super low. And this is not a competition between broadcasters, you have a flag parade in the beginning ffs.

Scotty
Scotty
10 days ago
Reply to  NickC

Exactly and the words I remember the EBU stating where “Russias participation would bring the Eurovision Song Contest into disrepute” well Israel’s participation has done just that, it has tarnished the 2024 contest and the ironic slogan….

Piet
Piet
10 days ago

The board of the EBU has made grave and unforgivable mistakes. It is unacceptable to disqualify an act without a proper judiciary verdict. People are innocent until proven guilty. That means that they should have let Joost Klein take part and let the law take its natural course afterwards. Instead, the board of the EBU has made itself a judge and hanker at the same time. This situation is unacceptable. And what is probably even worse is that they , by punishing Joost Klein, have also punished millions of Dutch Eurovision fans. This shows that the current board of the… Read more »

Darren
Darren
10 days ago

Yeah I agree with AVROTROS here. The EBU should definitely not be investigating things themselves or just speaking to random delegations. In order for this to be done correctly, the investigation should be done independent of the EBU. More than one if needs be, considering there is more than one investigation on going. It would also remove the heat from them if an independent investigation recommends reprimands that the EBU might be too afraid to issue otherwise Hopefully the Netherlands comes back next year, but I also don’t blame them if they don’t. It was disgraceful what happened, while others… Read more »

Scotty
Scotty
10 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Netherlands should be given an automatic place in the final next year as compensation.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Scotty

They should I agree

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Well, no if their contestant broke contest rules. That’s what we were told and I’m keeping an open mind until both sides have reported in detail. I imagine we’ll eventually see evidence for ourselves.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

Please see below reply in which I state how you’re wrong.
Not repeating it again.

Thanks

Adam
Adam
10 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Ummm… Isn’t this being investigated by the Swedish police?

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Adam

Swedish police said no need for further investigation the night of the final from what I gather

Jeroen
Jeroen
9 days ago
Reply to  Adam

Well who knows, one day the Swedish police says the investigation is done and the other day it’s still ongoing

nobody
nobody
10 days ago

nothing will happen

Andy
10 days ago
Reply to  nobody

The Netherlands is the sixth largest financial contributor to the Song Contest. If they withdraw, the EBU will have to BEG that no other countries follow suit. At least Öosterdahl will have to GTFO, if anything, to give the illusion that something is being done.

Alex
Alex
10 days ago

Here before users lay the blame on Joost without all the facts being presented to us.

Darren
Darren
10 days ago
Reply to  Alex

They’re just bots. Pay them no heed

Fatima
Fatima
10 days ago
Reply to  Darren

I’m open to believing a victim, Darren. Does that make me a bot?

Darren
Darren
10 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

We don’t even know who the victim is yet.

Calm yourself

Sebas
Sebas
10 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Actually we know it’s a woman, made public for ragebait.
And based on Fatimas reactions, it’s working.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Sebas

For all we know, Joost could have been the victim seeing as AVROTROS, The EBau and SVT had agreements in place that Joost was not to be filmed after his performance but he was.
But premature to say the woman is the victim on the basis alone that she is a Roman. Agreements where breached, by those that have a dirty of care to Joost, therefore sounds plausible that he could actually be the victim? Though that wouldn’t suit the narrative

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Woman **
EBU**
Damn my autocorrect

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Annoying that, isn’t it!

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

The EBU and SVT had agreements in place that Joost was not to be filmed after his performance but he was.”
But we don’t know if that is true yet Darren (and Sebas), EBU have denied it.

Darren
Darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

AVROTROS have said so.
Yes there is a victim but it’s not necessarily who you think it is.

So you are believing some faceless person just because they’re a woman and they said so?
Not really wise to make such assumptions without base.
Do keep up

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

Yes Darren AVROTROS said that but the EBU denied it. I don’t know the truth, but I do accept that there are two sides to the story. You’re the one already assuming one side is in the right.

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Darren

But we do know there is one Darren. Keep up.

Cos
Cos
9 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

And we all know there’s one Fatima. Keep downvoting, disbelieve and ignorance

Green
Green
10 days ago

I pray Netherlands withdraw next year, they are one of the biggest contributors to the EBU, and i wanna see them crumble.

Andy
9 days ago
Reply to  Green

That’d be awesome. Especially, because if they withdraw, many other countries will too. If not out of disgust with the EBU, because you know that the EBU will raise participation fees on other broadcasters to make it seem like everything will be fine without the Dutch. I’d love to see that self-own.

Robbert
Robbert
9 days ago
Reply to  Andy

Totally agree. If withdrawing helps to improve the situation, I would say withdraw!

Oy oy
Oy oy
10 days ago

Remember that Swedes (like Martin Österdahl) are known for their «head-in-the-sand»-attitude. And look now where it has taken both Sweden and Eurovision!

Andy
9 days ago
Reply to  Oy oy

Yes, because of the attitude of Swedes, Eurovision 2025 might just have an amount of participants in the single digits.

Andy
9 days ago
Reply to  Andy

The Big 5 will be the “Only 9” next year. I can’t wait.

Amaia
Amaia
10 days ago

As a dutch eurovision lover, I wouldn’t even be sad if we withdrew. I love that avrotros is standing behind our artist so firmly and I hope more broadcasters follow with similar statements, so the EBU actually can’t ignore it any longer and things will change for the better.

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
9 days ago
Reply to  Amaia

Same as an avid Dutch eurovision follower I feel like withdrawing is the only good choice unless the next few months give significant reasons not to. There’s also simply nobody in our coubtry that wants us to participate anymore. No artist will want to go so we can only fail with low quality entries again.

Robbert
Robbert
9 days ago
Reply to  Frisian esc

Exactly. Let’s withdraw.

ATLANTIC
ATLANTIC
10 days ago

May other countries follow in the footsteps of the Netherlands!

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago
Reply to  ATLANTIC

that structural adjustments will be made to the artists and their musical message back in the center

i mean i doubt anything will change that drastically under the current Osterdahl regime, the current EBU board are way too up their arses to even notice anything bad going on lol

i doubt UK will withdraw since eurovision gets too high viewer ratings for the BBC

Alex
Alex
10 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Not the UK, although I did see a similar statement from NRK where they said that while they intend to take part in 2025, it depends on what this investigation will rule out.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago
Reply to  Alex

yes, will be two big upsets potentially for the EBU to see two big nations withdrawing

and honestly it isn’t the end for us dutchies, as we still have regio songfestival

Andy
7 days ago
Reply to  ATLANTIC

Norway is apparently on the same boat. It’s been a good run. It’s not surprising that it was the two countries who dragged Eurovision through the ground on 2024. The host country and the t3rrorit$ occupying Jerusalem.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago

yes, i can see ourselves withdrawing for long term, until Israel is gone and the contest has a new and better executive supervisor

Goodbye Fascist EBU

Fatima
Fatima
10 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

Are you considering a personal withdrawal Anonymous91? We’d be lost without you.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
10 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

i am one of the very few oldschool eurofans i think 😉 who cares about music and music alone, not whatever eurovision is today, about the freakshows and who is most popular regardless of song i listen to all sorts of countries their music honestly, i also listen to many hungarian, turkish, bulgarian, montenegrin, bosnian songs the only thing i ever apologize for is my negative behaviour before Joost’s dq, but honestly it didn’t surprise me how we got punished, and israel walks away freely as usual sorry not sorry for having my own opinion (even though a little over… Read more »

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous91

You don’t have to apologise to me 91, but you yourself said on multiple occasions that you were giving up on the contest after 2024. If you’ve now changed your mind, I’m delighted. And my school is even older than yours.

Anonymous91
Anonymous91
8 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

on eurovision in general? no

but the current situation, 2024 has been one huge stressful toxic mess for me personally, and the irony of me appreciating my nation in the contest and then we getting dq’d undeservedly (ebu having the balls only when it not involves a sponsor deal)

Adam
Adam
10 days ago
Reply to  Fatima

Advance to GO, Fatima…and collect $200 ??

Fatima
Fatima
9 days ago
Reply to  Adam

No Adam, I’m still on Mayfair.