For the second year in a row, the country that won the televote did not win the Eurovision title. That has sparked calls for jury reform not just in Russia, which won the televote, but also in countries including Poland, Austria and Serbia, all of whom were let down by the juries.
Eurovision 2016: Grand final split results
First let’s take a look at the overall results, which show Ukraine’s Jamala was the most consistent performer across both halves of the equation. She came second to Russia’s Sergey Lazarev in the televote by a relatively small margin of 38 points. To put that in perspective, she was 101 points ahead of Poland’s Michal Szpak, who finished third in the televote with 222 points. They were the only three competitors who managed to crack 200 points with the people.
Australia’s Dami Im, who finished second overall, and Russia’s Sergey Lazarev, who finished third, did not have the same consistency across televoting and jury voting.
Australia won the jury vote in a landslide — 320 points to Jamala’s 211. But she could only muster fourth place with the public. Russia’s Sergey won the televote, but could only manage fifth place with the juries — finishing behind Australia, Ukraine, France and Malta.
In the chart below, we’ve ranked countries by the difference in their jury ranking and their televote ranking. A negative score means that the jury hurt a country, while a positive score means they helped them.
For instance, Poland’s Michal Szpak came third with the televote. But he only finished 25th — yes, next to last — with the jury, only besting last-place finisher Jamie-Lee from Germany. He was the contestant most hurt by the jury.
Austria’s Zoë sees a disparity of 22, having reached eighth position with the public, but just 24th with the jury.
Others losing out because of the jury include Serbia’s Sanja (-12) and Azerbaijan’s Samra (-7).
Malta’s Ira Losco benefitted the most from the inclusion of a jury. She only ranked 21st with the televoting public, but managed fourth place with the juries.
It’s well-known that Israel must contend with prejudices and criticism from abroad and that this can impact its results. Hovi Star only managed 22nd with televoters, but he pulled eighth place with the juries.
Others who benefitted from the inclusion of the jury include Belgium’s Laura (+10) and the United Kingdom’s Joe & Jake (+8).
Ukraine’s Jamala was the only contestant whose ranking with the juries and televoters was the same. She finished second with both.
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Micha? Szpak deserved better position from jury, but anyway, the televoting showed who the European people liked 🙂
The reason why the Polish diaspora didn’t have such an impact in previous years is because the voting system has changed this year. If the voting system wasn’t changed Poland would have been 19th place instead of 8th place. With this new system countries like Poland will qualify every year in the future because of the televoting no matter if they send a good or bad song. I think the televoting results were more ridiculous than the jury results. (For exemple: Israel 11 points??? Malta 16 points???? and then Poland 222 points??? Even before Australia????)
Regarding the Polish result, ESC fans have to accept they have different music tastes than home viewers of ESC.
I think Pollaponk are a good example. Fans consistently ranked them close to the bottom but they went to the grand final & got a respectable place. That was not Icelandic diaspora.
This year Poland was popular. Deal with it.
I used to be the biggest supporter of juries but not anymore. For the second year in a row they have screw up the result.
Juries do NOT guarantee the best song wins. They gave the prize to Sweden’s Heroes which was just a generic pop song with good staging. Not even the public were fooled.
Either the juries go or we have 2 separate prizes; the juror’s choice and the people’s choice.
I don’t get the East versus West discussion i read. In the last few years Sweden won twice and Austria another one. Those countries did not win without votes from all around Europe just like Jamala got votes from the east and west. The fact that she came second with both the popular vote and the jury vote shows she is the right winner. If people want a different kind of winner than you should lobby better in your own country. EBU does not change the rules for that. To be honest i don’t think Europe was smart in selecting… Read more »
I think the jury should come out of this competition because they had failed to appreciate the objectively all of the participating countries . EBU, You need to change voting rules.
Jury voting must be up to 100 points and the jury will be assess the show, performance of all the participating countries till 100 points . In this case, voting can to some extent be fair.
Just so you all can let off steam, Margaret’s ‘Cool me down’ video is out and reviewed on Popjustice! http://www.popjustice.com/videos/margaret-cool-me-down/
@Ann
I won’t discuss with you anymore, I’m just wondering why everything you’ve written in English except your lat comment, maybe that’s because you used there some not great words and you believed that noone would understand in Polish? 🙂 best regards. Don’t wanna fight, can see that I won’t convince you, but you’ll see it all next year 😉
Redfox offends Poles, but it’s my comment is awaiting moderation. May I ask why? Unles Piotr is moderator:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCf5n-dyTY
Polish diaspora rules OK !! 😉
There is google translator, we can find out what are you talking about.
Stop glorify ukrainean song, it is the biggest manipulation and the bets are
ment to make people act like sheeps. I know people who bet on the australian
song without listening it ever, they’ve just heard that is the right choice to
win money.
@Ann Yyy… ale popis kultury 🙂 Zajmuje sie polskimi emigrantami bo artykul dotyczy Polski geniuszu. Jesli chodzi o Ukraine to oczywiscie zgadzam sie, ze Ukraina dostala od nas maksymalna liczbe punktow w televotingu rowniez dzieki glosom ich emigrantow na terenie naszego kraju. Roznica jest jednak taka, ze Ukraina byla przed konkursem ogromnym faworytem fanow, bukmacherow i stowarzyszen OGAE w wielu krajach, poza tym jak widac wyniki Ukrainy w glosowaniu jury i glosowaniu widzow sa bardzo podobne, w zwiazku z czym jest jasne, ze ta piosenka sie Europie PODOBALA. Co do tekstu “nie sraj we wlasne gniazdo” – bardzo trzymam kciuki… Read more »
@ Piotr
Cholernie du?o zajmujesz si? polska emigracj?, naprawd?. Mo?e spróbuj poczyta? o emigracji ukrai?skiej? Podpowiem – u nas w tej chwili jest ich milion. twój g?os w tej dyskusji jest dla mnie najbardziej irytuj?cy! O co ci chodzi ? Po co to piszesz – no chyba, ?e jeste? fanikiem margarety. Znasz to stare przys?owie “nie…we w?asne gniazdo”? Bez pozdrowie?!
@Ali:
Please keep your thinly veiled pseudo-nazi thoughts about muslims to yourself.
Personally I find Michal Szpak in the Top 10 questionable too, but here is what I said on 10th April under Eurovision In Concert 2016 post:
“His song might be dated (really dated), but his performance is full of life, and he’s got great vocals. I have a feeling there are many hidden votes behind him across Europe, just like in Poland, so don’t be surprised if he makes the Top 15 or higher in Stockholm.”
There is no question diaspora helped him a lot, but there were lots of non-polish people who voted for him too.
Fussiore – Soon , you will become a muslim world ( western Europe) if you hate so much european heritage ( eastern countries ). We Slavic countries gave you freedem not once but many times . You hate so much Polish, call them toilet cleaners , but you will become toilet cleaners yourselves in your own countries . They will overtake you by numbers and vote for themselves – like this year`s for mayor of London . Just wait few years . Poland stopped Muslims in 1683 and not alow them to overrun Europe . But if you can`t appreciate… Read more »
I wanted to see the video of your famous Margaret to understand why you think
that she were better for ESC. Are you serious ? That girl sings about her being
so hot and horny, such an embarrassment !
Yes Michal’s song is cheesy, so ? Why do you think that means unlikeable ?
It’s a genre that will never go away.
@Piotr
So next time no Poland on Eurovision anyway your songs always were awful 😉
Not like in our West Europe Elite.
Hehe, firstly – stop comparing Polish diaspora’s voting in years 2007-2011 and now… if you had knowledge then you would know that Polish people started massive emmigration to European Western countries in 2007-2008. In the past it was UK, Ireland and of course Germany, now there are new directions – Norway, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, even Iceland! I’m Polish and I know it, do you think that I wanna harm my own country by saying these things about diasporas? Of course not, but I just wanna be true, I’m telling the facts. Again, I DONT SAY THAT MICHAL GOT ALL… Read more »
what Russia doesn´t get is that yeah, the song appeals to the audience. but most of Europe doesnt listen to the same beat, same melody coming from every car radio ever for the last 30 years… it is nothing special, just a typical russian schlager. I don´t think it was political. the jury gave marks to a song, not a show. and there is not a lot of originality in it. Poland???? omg what is wrong with peoples ears. ah, I know, it is the 8 million polish who clean toilets in other countries. I am sad about Netherlands. He… Read more »
Yeah get rid off the jury and then we’d start having again the Greece-Cyprus 12 points exchange, all of the Balkans and Scandinavia in the final, and people will start with the “it’s all East” again.
I can’t believe Austria would want televoting-only back. In 2008 they withdrew because of that reason and they didn’t come back after seeing Germany under the new system.
And the idea of the massive Polish diaspora voting is hilarious. During the televoting-only years Poland reached the Top 10 once (in 2003) and the final once (2008).
@Eugene,
One thing that helps get on the site is to run your web browser in Incognito/Private mode. For me this has helped a lot over the past few days.
NB : I forgot about Austria who was 8th with the televotes but juries placed Austria 24th thus making them finish 13th
This a very long comment, so bear with me 🙂 I’ve done some little research about the correlation between the jury & the televotes especially with the similarities in the Top 10 between these two for the final, in order to see if the jury follows the viewers (if the Top 10 from the jury is the same from the viewers) 2016 : 8 countries were both in the Top 10 from the televotes and in the Top 10 from the jury (Ukraine, Australia, Russia, Bulgaria, Sweden, France, Armenia, Belgium), and it’s a record ! 2015 : 7 countries were… Read more »
I’M from Romania and i live in italy .. and i voted for POLAND… guys its not diaspora.. Poland had the best song/ performance … i loved it and i would vote for it again . i wass so sad to see Michal so dissapointed of Europe, knowing that the wiews and polls were in his favors.. 🙁
I really can’t explain how Poland reached 3rd place on televoting.. Maybe the easy and catchy and silly and cheesy lyrics presented behind helped, but 3rd place!?
All I know is noone can blame diaspora, ’cause if it was just the diaspora making the difference, then how do u explain Poland’s 2005,2006,2007,2008 placings?..
I still believe that Europe thought Poland did send Margaret, how couldnt they after all! ‘Cause 3rd place on televoting and 25th on juries sounds totally like a Margaret result. lol.
Polish diaspora in Russia, Albania, Hungary, San Marino, Belarus? Isn`t possible. 36 countries voted for Michal Szpak. Also 41 countries voted for Sergey Lazarev but only 21 gave Russia any point. It`s incredible. Sergey and Michal are very good vocalist. Their songs are catchy and beautiful. They deserved at first (Russia) and third place.
Many of u say it’s only diaspora voting for Poland… It’s really not possible to get 3rd place only with diaspora, even the husband of J.K. Rowling voted for him, check her Twitter 😀
@Mark W – “The whole reason I love Eurovision so much is that it DOES bring countries together. “. Go tell to Armenia, Azerbaidjan, Russia and Ukraine!
So Russia has huge Polish diaspora somewhere, it seems? Strange, I didn’t see them anywhere around. Countries like Azerbaijan or Georgia have no meaningful Polish minority but voted Poland highly anyway. People continue to invent some huge Polish diaspora voting for Shpack, instead of just admitting that his performance was great.
Switzerland was better than Poland in Second Semi Final ? This is joke jury….
Poland’s diaspora in Austria ? Italy ? Hungary ? San Marino ? Its sth new for me…
M. Szpack have amazing voice ! He should be in first 5 in my opinion ( and not only in my)
Voices wievers are more important than unknown jurys….
Of these 35, 25/41 (61%) ranked Poland in the Top 6 giving them 5 to12 points.
Still think it is diaspora?
+++++
At least 10 of them have a diaspora. others are slavic countries
Even last year televote scoped 47 points for Poland whilst juries gave 2.
Methinks it may be getting time for Wiwi to move the entire site to a new server. You can’t blame the “Error establishing a database connection” message on the traffic now, because the contest is long over with.
@Pollaski: I agree with you on keeping the jury in place. Here’s an idea that might satisfy some people: How about a separate Jury Award and a Televoters’ Award, to go with the overall contest trophy and those Bezençon Awards? Or am I expecting too much here?
regarding eastern and western eurovision
western countries (e.g. great britain) have very good music at home but they don’t send such type of music or singers to eurovision (like adele, birdy etc)
it seems to me that they are not already eager to win this competition. and only eastern countries bring some vividness, interest and zeal )
for example, at home russia named their participation in eurovision “conquering europe” 🙂 that’s why they try so much and spend so much money on winning at eurovision. and get so infuriated each year they lose
As always juries were a lot better than the ignorant televoting. If it wasn’t for them, Georgia’s masterpiece wouldn’t even made it to the final! Seriously, is the televoting so freakin dumb to give Russia’s garbage a 1st place? LOOOL! Not that i’m a fan of Australia’s entry but i prefer it a lot more. Anyway, Jamala absolutely deserved this, her performance was something simply phenomenal and honestly, i think it’s one of the best winners ever.
@EugeneESCUK
regarding poland. szpak is said to perform much worse for jury than for the final. maybe that’s the reason.
You have to admit, in recent years, the Western countries are sending better songs. It isn’t the jury vote that is helping the West get into the top 5.
10 years ago, it was only Eastern Europe (plus Greece, Sweden and Norway) that cared about Eurovision. Now, it’s everyone, and the competition is much more intense.
@Angelo: you think all of the Maltese entries that passed to the finals were not good to do so? Keep your argument and your hate for yourself. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean there is suspicion. How stupid. 2012 was energetic, 2013 and 2014 found a niche and were good song, 2016 was just amazing.
In the old days there were only juries and noone complained about them. I’m from Belgium, Laura got a better score from juries than televoters… Why? The song was nice, the staging was good. There was no better way to kick of the show. But in the end, televoters forgot about her, while juries have a nice score sheet to go over and rank all songs accordingly. Televoting has a lot more variabilities. There’s diaspora and neighbourly voting. There are also rumours that countries like Azerbaijan buy sim cards in smaller countries like Malta or Moldova (the televote gave her… Read more »
Damn those televoters just like countries not the songs. 🙁 All of you saying juries helping Malta is suspicious are certainly wrong. Malta got different amount of points from different juries, they also did not receive points from some countries and with only one 12 so there is nothing really suspicious. Just because you want to hate that does not mean that the juries are suspiciously helping Malta. Sad for Malta making the list of being helped by juries when it was such a good song tough admittedly the staging could have been better. But hey Lithuania still got that… Read more »
Honestly, how can this be a discussion on whether Poland’s televote score was due to diaspora or not? Clearly it’s BOTH due to a very strong diaspora AND a song in a niche not covered by any other country and that appealed to a lot of people. That being said, whining about the juries marking it down doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. It’s quite objectively a very dated dated song (albeit well-sung), just like Austria’s and Russia’s. Doesn’t mean it’s wrong to enjoy them of course, but the way the judges’ criteria are written it won’t score you top points.… Read more »
TypicFussoire
From 2009 when EBU bring back again juries, to 2016 almost every year winner was from west in 2009,2010,2012,2013,2014,2015 and from east in 2011(rich country) 2016 (thanks to politicks). Winner from west 6 times , winner from east only 2 time.
I don’t think its Diaspora either.
Hrm…
2015: Poland sends crippled woman with great voice to sing dull song: 25th place.
2016: Poland sends curly haired pretty boy with great voice to sing dull song: 8th place
Hrm…
We all see that every year juries push so hard few countries , that countries are Sweden,Malta,Azerbaijan,Israel,Italy,Ukraine from 2014/15 in that club joins The Netherlands, Belgium and Australia. Lithuania sometimes was pushed by juries especially in semifinal 2011,2012 .
Poland and Austria had nice songs very well performed and properly staged. For some reason juries judge some good songs as dated. Something that is incomprehensible to the normal public.
As for diaspora, Poland’s is about what they got points last year for Monica. Michal this year and Cleo 2 years ago got support from a lot much more than diaspora. And Austria has no diaspora, most years they don’t even qualify to final. Countries with diaspora have some guaranteed votes, true, but not enough to get a good result without a good song/singer.
@ Angelo “Russia tried to upgrade a mediocre song (which I would rate 5/10) with an “impressive” staging, but everything looked to desperate and tacky. Even the wings on the screen had been done before by Charlotte Perrelli in 2012 (!) in Melodifestivalen. The song nor the performance had NO originality or quality. It was below average.” —– i agree with you and have the same impression. maybe, except for the one moment in staging when he flew in the universe, past the stars )) and if it goes about song, melody etc russia was definitely worse than ukraine and… Read more »