The tensions between the EBU and Dutch broadcaster AVROTROS seem to be growing by the day. This all comes following the disqualification of the Netherlands‘ representative, Joost Klein, moments before the Eurovision 2024 grand final, due to an incident that occurred backstage.
AVROTROS complained about “unsafe environment” at Eurovision before disqualification
While the EBU maintains their strong position, declaring that they have a firm zero-tolerance policy towards inappropriate behaviour at their event, AVROTROS has revealed that before the Netherlands was disqualified from the contest, they had lodged a complaint with the EBU about an “unsafe environment.”
The Dutch broadcaster expressed through news site NU.nl that their complaint was based on experiences that happened before the country’s disqualification and they filed a complaint on 10 May, one day before the grand final. Although AVROTROS did not provide specific details about the details for their complaint, they acknowledged that they “recognise the picture” described in complaints made by other artists and delegations.
AVROTROS also expressed their disappointment in the EBU’s decision to use anti-booing technology, stating that it prevents viewers from hearing the reality and genuine reactions of the crowd, thereby creating a false impression: “We believe that when a musician performs you should always show what it does to the audience.”
Dutch outlet AD.nl reported that before the written complaint AVROTROS filed on 10 May, there was a verbal complaint to the EBU on 9 May.
AVROTROS responded unfavourably to the EBU’s decision, expressing their belief that disqualification was an “excessive” response to the incident. Consequently, AVROTROS opted not to announce their own jury points during the grand final, leading to a strong negative reaction from the audience when the contest’s Executive Supervisor, Martin Österdahl, took on the task.
The Dutch broadcaster currently remains silent on whether they will participate in Eurovision next year or not.
S10 recalls her own Eurovision experience
S10 represented the Netherlands at Eurovision in 2022 with the song “De Diepte.” Following the disqualification of this year’s representative, Joost Klein, S10 has commented about how such problems are not new in Eurovision. S10 empathised with Joost’s issues, declaring that she herself had a difficult time when competing, as staff members did not respect the boundaries of the artists.
She expressed that she experienced similar issues backstage, where the incident involving Joost Klein occurred this year, attributing it to the failure of the backstage staff to create a supportive environment for the artists. She also criticised the excessive filming of artists during vulnerable moments.
“There were many people who crossed my boundaries, mainly backstage (where it went wrong with Joost). It is not a nice environment for artists. Filming (emotional) artists in vulnerable positions on their way to/from the stage was intense.”
What do you think about the “unsafe environment” that AVROTROS reported at Eurovision? Should the EBU pay more attention to the boundaries of the artists? Let us know in the comments below.
EBU should support the artists. Sounds like they are doing the opposite.
Leaving aside for a moment whether or not Israel should have been competeting, who were rhe artists doing all the stirring? the narcissistic, attention seeking pronouns mob. That’s who .
Israeli outlet Ynet confirms Eden Golan’s televote advertising campaign was organised by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/sykjyhaza
And? Other countries did similar things. BUt I guess it’s only wrong when it’s the Jews, hm? You people….
What countries examples please
It’s real in the sense that it’s a video. Less than two minutes in he’s making fun of queer people and massively misrepresenting the contest. I think it’s pretty easy to see that it’s yet another YouTuber disguising their anger and confusion with life with the notion of being “conservative”.
EBU is a disgracd
I mean, I’m all in with AVROTROS. We need to get to the bottom of this issue and take down everyone involved in such outrageous decision. It was completely abusive, unfair and it’s clear not every delegation played by the same rules.
I’m happy some broadcasters are looking for clarification, not only because of this incident but also about the bad management of the overall situation. M.O. and other high staff members should be packing.
Positive discrimination against that one country is going to have and adverse reaction in the end.
I read that Joost is doing really good streaming numbers post the contest. Has this ever happened for an artist that didn’t appear at the final? If he turns into another Maneskin or Rosa Linn, will Eurovision have the gall to claim him as one of their own?
Most definitely. Martin Österdahl will proudly view it as the success of his brave and unprecedented decision.
Like Kanye taking the credit for Taylor Swift.
Keren Peles is again complaining about Joost on her Instagram stories. She also asked Dutch folk to stop threatening her :’D
Keren Peles is a s&!+t stirrer.
And why and how is that funny?
I’m starting to think that Eurovision should be like Olympics and should happen every other year (if you take in count both Summer and Winter Olympics) or better yet every 4 years. Hopefully the quality of songs would have improved, countries would have had enough time to save money to participate, wars would have had time to play out etc…
No.
Yugoslavia won in 1989. Four years later, they didn’t even exist anymore.
More likely: it would go extinct.
So you are saying all wars and conflicts in this world will be fixed before the summer olympics in july?
Why was Konstrakta at semi-final one?
Support and she was the spokesperson for Serbia this year.
She was Teya’s competitor not so long ago, and the spokesepeople don’t usually fly out to the host city. I love Konstrakta, so I’m not complaining. Just wondering.
Helena Paparizou did that also
True
The plot thickens.
Basically, it seems like the EBU did not take the issue of artist welfare seriously. Therefore, it seems slightly contradictory to take an artist’s reaction to those issues seriously.
It always seemed like a very fishy decision at the time and everything that is coming to light afterwards is not changing my mind.
You were wrong about the the EBU instructing the jurors to vote for Croatia. It’s at least possible you are wrong about this. Fears and suspicions are not evidence.
Technically, I’m not sure I was that wrong. My argument was that the EBU would want a very strong jury winner. Just so happened it was Switzerland rather than Croatia. I also think it serves the EBU to have the Netherlands excluded, thus freeing up the televote for a strong winner to compete against Israel and Ukraine. Given what happened last year, I have lost faith in the fairness of the voting system. But perhaps it was ever thus and ever will be. However, I will still call out actions that, based on information available to me, make no sense… Read more »
If the EBU were so anti-Israel, they did a VERY good job of covering it up. From the fake cheers, to the crackdown on Iolanda’s fingernails… what you suggest just does not ring true for me. They can hardly manage the very basics, nevermind such a dastardly plot. Especially without one of the 200 jurors or a HoD squealing.
You’re right, though, what do WE know? The EBU are a mystery.
I don’t think they were “anti” anyone, I think they just had a good idea about who would be the best winners from their perspective.
Geneva 2025?
Zurich 2025 would be better 🙂
Switzerland though? The way Switzerland is an equally unanimous jury winner as Sweden last year makes me wonder. It’s a musically strong entry, well sung and performed so I guess it makes sense but with so much to choose from, it seems at least interesting. Then again, I complained about Italy’s staging myself, I didn’t work for me, either.
Personally, I think jurors are often not clued in on what their job is. They see this contest as a vocal talent reality show. Nemo had everything in that department, and more… all the while spinning madly on a dish. I can see why they went for it, especially over Croatia.
Over Croatia most definitely.
Zorra > SloMo
(Can we go back to talking about the songs? :()
A lesson learned from Mustii and to a lesser extent Olly Alexander: If they’re not bringing good vocals to the pre-parties, they’re not going to miraculously become Maria Callas the week of the show.
Nah. Zorra is a lovely zorra but Chanel turned her mediocre song in something big. I’m still impressed. The guys in zorra may have dressed like Chanel but that was it.
Chanel > Nebulossa, but Zorra > SloMo.
Dont you have a life?
One of the best moments of this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nih3mKu51sM
Besties forever! 🙂
Cry more.
Wow, just saw that 13(!!!) countries have now submitted official complaints with the EBU. Netherlands was the first…EBU has a lot to answer for. I hope these countries will unite and threaten to withdraw for 2025.
All 13 regarding the Netherlands or the other thing?
Various reasons, some about the Israeli delegation, but the majority about the safety of the backstage area.
Be careful what we wish for imagine next years Eurovision gets cancel? Is that what the unhappy Eurovision fans want?
Yes, if eurovision is gonna protect a country currently comminting a gen0cid but then have the nerve to disqualify someone else it need to be canceled
So… If your fascist ideology and your fairytales do not get taken into regard, because they are…. just made up – you want everything destroyed? This is the problem with your lot: Destruction and negativity is all you people have.
yes cancel this show, as if we care that much about this current eurovision lol
We should all ask ourselves one question: When Loreen would have made this kind of gesture towards a mail photographer, would the EBU have disqualified her?
I forgot to add after a very vulnerable moment.
Hard to imagine, Loreen seems way too controlled to ever take the bait. Plus her Eurovision songs don’t have personal moments, the lyrics prevent vulnerability of that kind. But no, I honestly can’t see any scenario where the EBU would ever disqualify a Swedish act. Maybe a Norwegian one. Unless they compete for Sweden. I find it unimaginable.
I used Loreen, but off course I mean any woman in particular instead of a male participant
Ah I see, I thought it was about Sweden, not women. Good point though. Women artist “threatening” a male photographer? No way this would’ve been handled the same way. Double standards. A male would most likely not even think of reporting this and fear he’d be ridiculed. You can’t make a juciy story like that with a male, unless he is at least a double minority but even then I’m not sure.
No man should fear being ridiculed. This is often why female domestic abusers go unreported, and unnoticed. Another symptom of toxic masculinity culture. Sad.
Very true! A completely underestimated problem.
I agree with almost everything that you said, except for the toxic masculinity part (not saying it doesn’t exist but it doesn’t have to do with such situation)
If a man reported the incident to the police, and an investigation launched… well the, yeah, I’d say the same thing would happen.
Loreen is too Zen.
You mean too stoned
It’s not specific about Loreen, I used her as an example of a female artist.
Male 😉 photographer
If there even was a police investigation and she told the police, that yes, she threatened someone, then… most likely yes. This is not about gender, this is about someone not in control of his actions.
Bambie being a legend:
https://twitter.com/agrandeneedy/status/1790664913263706607
Love them
* her
You’re a despicable little person.
I just sent your phone number to Kim Yung Un!!
You will be contacted asap.
Remember when Thorsten Flinck was booted out of Melodifestivalen 2020? He was under police investigation too, but at the same time innocent until proven guilty. Jan Johansen stepped in as replacement vocalist at the last minute.
Anyway, I guess what I’m wondering is if Joost hadn’t been so popular, tipped to win… or let’s say it was Sasha Bognibov for Moldova… would people care as much?
I don’t remember anyone being particularly outraged back then.
I’m sure people would be outraged at any injustice the gentleman Mr Bognibov is facing and totally believe in his innocence.
Naturally. Lovely guy.
What happened to Thorsten, anyway? Was he innocent? This is of course a whole other level. The day before a Eurovision final, a qualified finalist, an entire country. It doesn’t get more dramatic than that.
I don’t remember ever hearing about it again. Although I think Thorsten had fallen into a drug problem, and his life is still not in a great place. I believe he has a podcast about it, or something.
Yeah, it’s on another level, but the same principles at the core. Justice is justice, and should be equal on ALL levels. No?
Absolutely. It should be. And I’m not sure it’s justice to miss a career opportunity if you’re only being investigated. A really tough situation.
You have a very twisted sense of justice.
Do I?
Please elaborate.
End the partnership with MoroccanOil. Find a Turkish sponsor or something IDK
That’s jumping from the fire to the frying pan. There are certainly companies from other European countries interested in sponsoring the event.
Avrotros starts to be annoying. If an artist doesn’t want to be on camera after a rehersal, or doesn’t want to be interviewed, just stay at home and don’t participate to Eurovision. I hate to put myself on display on the socials so I don’t post my picture. These artists want to attend Eurovision, the place with the highest number of cameras and photocameras in the world, and then they complain and make a mess, with the support of the broadcaster. Each one has to respect the work of the other. If you don’t want to be on video just… Read more »
She should’ve respected his wishes, they weren’t that demanding. He just didn’t want to be filmed when he got of stage. Artists should also be given the opportunity to relax a little. But no TikTok girl was desperate to get a vid of him crying. It’s disgusting.
Do you understand than in a messy and complicate organization like the Eurovision informing all the technicians, the crew, etc. of the personal wishes of 37 delegations may be a little complicate? You don’t want to be filmed. Just wear a hat and a pair of thicksunglasses and that’s it. All the major stars, from Madonna to the famous actors di that when they want to go out and being a normal citizen. Unfortunately being famous and a star has problems, too. I believe the behaviour of Avrotros is the one to raise a dust cloud in order to justify… Read more »
As Jan Demulder, a Belgian camera operator who worked backstage at Eurovision for ten years, has explained: doing your job also means respecting the wishes and boundaries set of the performers who often work up to 14 hours a day during Eurovision week. The Dutch delegation specifically asked for this TikTok lady to take it down a notch. They had an agreement with the producers that she would. She did not comply.
If you need privacy, I would say Eurovision and 800 million viewers may be not be for you… Victim blaming is what this is, nothing else. Strange how they hold their nose into any freaking camera for 2 secs of exposure from March to May otherwise…
Beyoncé is one of the most famous people in the world. This does not mean the Grammys usher the paparazzi in to the backstage toilet.
Of course not. I didn’t know she was a camera operator that had to do videos for Tiktok. But, again, you don’t want to be filmed, you just call a member of your delegation, and hide behind him if you don’t want to be filmed. I would ban TikTok, just for you to know. I didn’t know he was crying, too. But ok. This thing has grown even bigger than it had to be. If Avrotros thinks their rights and the one of Joost Klein have been attacked, just file a complaint against EBU and SVT. Continue to poison an… Read more »
Human dignity above all else!
I sadly think that all this will be used by the EBU as a reason not to issue so many – or even any – accreditations to the fan media next year. Because although no fan media were the cause of any of those flashpoints, their presence can only add to the pressure on the acts. I don’t want that, but I would like to see a less demanding rehearsal schedule, especially for semi 2. Perhaps have the semis on Monday and Wednesday so there is more breathing space before the final.
The fan media doesn’t have access to the backstage where all the drama took place. EBU must own the s*!%tshow.
I think everyone is getting a bit carried away here (as usual) and keep on blaming the EBU but think about it. The person who Joost intimated or threatened filed a complaint with the Swedish police and obviously did so with enough evidence that it could be at least investigated. Based on that, how could the EBU let a contestant under police investigation perform? It makes perfect sense to me that they disqualified him. Now, I know what you are all gonna say about Israel BUT Eden Golan is not under investigation for anything and neither is the Israeli broadcaster… Read more »
Yeah, what you say is true… but it was the EBU who hired people to intrude on the personal space of vulnerable people.
Jonas, they are not in their personal space. They are walking from the stage to the dressing room with a lot of cameras around. What will you do if you were there with your mobile phone and seing Joost Klein passing by? Wouldn’t you ask him to take a picture with you or shake hand? Do you think an SVT’s camerawoman will not point the camera to a singer just coming down the stage after a rehersal? Celebrity has its own deawbacks. If you don’t want to be a celebrity, you don’t go to Eurovision. Just stay at home and… Read more »
They are not in their personal space, fine, let’s say that… but they ARE in a workspace. Which means the responsibility lies with the people in charge. The boss. The EBU.
You are just trying to find a reason to criticize the EBU here now. Instead you should ask why Joost Klein could not control himself better.
Just because the police was called doesn’t mean he is guilty of anything. There is people who call the cops if their pizza is delivered with the wrong topping.
Uhm… He actually told the police that he did it, so… we were already a step further down the drain when he was disqualified.
There was an agreement not to film Joost after his performances, an agreement that was apparently broken several times, which triggered this whole situation. If the EBU wants to talk about a safe environment, then this has to apply to everyone, EBU employees and artists.
The problem with Eden Golan is the double standards. There are lots os reports of misbehavior by members of the Israeli delegation that were ignored by EBU. On the other hand, any behavior, on the part of other delegations, that violates the minimum EBU rules, is subject to censure and persecution.
No complaint was filed against Eden Golan, as far as I know. The complaints are against delegation members and should be taken seriously. Even now, none of you see Eden as her own person.
Ari, as I’ve said before the guilt doesn’t reside with Eden. The other members of the delegation misbehaved and KAN showed poor judgment to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE
The problem with people like you is that what you are seeing is one of the oldest Antisemitic tropes on earth. Pure Germany 1933. And you fall for it. Bambie Thug and her antisemitic mob were constantly provoking people with their activism. So far none of the “Oh the Israeli delegation were bad Jews”-stories panned out the way they were told. All of the stories involve stuff that happened before the Israeli reaction to it. So now it looks as if the Jews are the bad guys. Basically like October 7, you know?
Basically what you are saying “he is under investigation therefore he shouldn’t perform “ is exactly what Serbian head of delegation said she has problem with – Netherlands shouldn’t have been disqualified for “investigation “ that can also result in not guilty. If Joost was forbidden entrance to arena, video of his performance from dress rehearsal should have been used in the final (just like Iceland 2021) and Netherlands was a still legit finalist. Disqualification is a too harsh of a punishment for “investigation”
By the time he was disqualified he had already admitted threatening the photographer to the police. Why don’t you people know all the facts? The “not guilty” part can be skipped. Next!
Please just tell us what happened!
Why did this issue with the camera women go to the police in the first place? Did it happen immediately? Did the worker want it to, or is it just bureaucracy?
You and I we both know why.
Tell us, Karl
Nope. I don’t entertain gen.o.cide apologists, sorry.
I have never once in my entire life apologised for gen o cide, just for the record.
According to one hearsay, the woman herself directly went to the police.
Dutch Eurovision officials have said that she didn’t even want to talk to them, let alone Joost. She was out for blood.
Leaving room for speculation: was it her own doing or did some higher up encourage her and promise her a nice reward for pushing this so hard? Like, first she can’t stop filming him, then she can’t even face anyone from the Dutch delegation? I guess it’s possible she went rogue without consulting the EBU, I know we should not be surprised, but I still can’t quite believe the EBU would willingly compromise their own brand. The strong boos for Martin personally surely came as a result of the Dutch situation.
It’s that detail that bothers me and others.
It seemed to me that AVROTROS tried a measured approach by proposing that everyone sit down and talk and that Joost apologized. The person concerned did not even want to consider this offer, as far as we know.
Maybe she just did not want to be threatened… Crazy thought, I know.
Joost is innocent until proven guilty. I will not feed into any other narratives until the investigation has concluded. However, even if he was totally in the wrong, something like this was going to happen given the huge tension brought to the contest by one country this year. It’s very hard to be in a bullying environment, with all the pressure of the contest, and behave like an angel 24/7.
Yes she let her delegation do the bullying for her
Then don’t participate. If you can’t act like an angel for a week, you can’t be a performer.
Uhm… Joost Klein had already admitted he threatened the woman, when he was disqualified. This whole “innocent until proven guilty” BS from TV – forget it.
The EBU has so much blood on their hands, from gaslighting the public into believing lies about Joost (with EBU mentioning “young female staff member”, again why does the gender matter and that she is young) and just completely losing control of the narrative they set… or well that’s what they wanted, who knows. To all the other delegations basically pointing fingers at one other delegation but the EBU is ignoring all of that and just reenacting that “dog in the middle of the fire” meme and saying: “This is fine”. It’s absolutely outrageous.
Uhm… The EBU did not spread any lies about Joost Klein. You however are spreading lies. Oops. Klein admitted he threatened the photographer to the Swedish police and was then disqualified. Why don’t you people know all the fact and yet think you were lied to? This is all very scientology on here…
Yeah, but S10 was not threatening anyone. She managed it.
Yeah, but no one has repeatedly filmed her without her consent.
She hinted that’s exactly what happened.
That doesn’t make it right. There should be nothing to manage. People should just be left alone when agreed upon. It’s not a reality show. Not on paper, anyway. I also wanna see the reactions of everyone when they get their televote points, from 300s to 0s. And that’s ok, it’s a live broadcast, you sign up for that. But to be ambushed backstage maybe even when you were promised not to is a violation in my view.
You are absolutely right, but I think the issue lies in his reaction. We can either accept and understand his behavior (because he asked for privacy and it was not respected), or we can agree that, no matter what, it is not ok to threaten someone.
Another issue is the punishment. Here, we need more information to understand why the EBU chose this step.
It is never ok to threaten anyone, for sure, but if the reports are correct… honestly, a real threat is something different for me. If he didn’t touch her, just had a tiny little verbal or nonverbal slip and then even immediately apologised… come on. How threatening could that have been? I have no love for this guy, but the consequences of this mishap are frightening. If true. If you really mean to threaten someone, you don’t apologise immediately. And aren’t EBU employees supposed to be on the side of the artists making the show for the EBU? Shouldn’t the… Read more »
^^^^THIS^^^^
But it’s not what a threat is for you or anyone else. The Swedish police asked him, he admitted it, end of story.
If you don’t want to be filmed, don’t participate in a TV show. I find it ridiculous that everyone is jumping up and down and asking for Joost’s privacy to be protected on a show watched by almost a billion people. That’s all SO off….
There was no tiktok back then? so it has gotten worse.
It’s ok to treathen a woman I guess. Nice message AVROTROS. Just take your b*llsh*t outside.
Eden Golan is trashed by the audience when on stage and you don’t see her threatening the camera crew members and being that weak when she was backstage. What a world.
As of now, I don’t blame Joost. I don’t blame the woman. I blame the EBU.
He’s the problem. Blame the guilty man. Why avoiding it and looking for excuses? The same thing should be applied to the journalist that harassed the other contestants. You behave like an *ss in the hole? Get out of here. It’s that simple.
I don’t approve of what he did but he was under very high pressure, and asked this woman several times to stop filming, she ignored his wishes. He immediately went up to them to apologies, but the EBU didn’t mention that in their statement. They focused on the fact she was a young female photographer to make things worse, for Joost, that’s gaslighting. They wouldn’t even have mentioned it when the photographer was a man.
You don’t have a proof of what he did. I don’t believe any sh*t until I see receipts. He’s guilty until proved otherwise.
Uhm… NO. That’s not gaslighting, sweetheart. Get your buzzwords straight.
If you cannot take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Also: This kindergarten logic – “He apologised”. Huh? So what? That does not change the fact that he threatened her and apparently damaged her equipment as well, but HE is the victim here, of course. And you people wonder why women hardly ever report being raped. This behavior by just about everyone on here is the reason.
For what exactly, nobody knows but we sure get the hint…
With all these being said, I can hardly see how AT suggests “It’s ok to threaten a woman”?
Always witnesses and never concrete proof. He’s out for a reason after the Swedish police investigated on his case. They estimated he had to be disqualified. Accept it. Move on. Switzerland won and Netherlands were out.
Swedish police admitted it was a nonsense complaint and closed the matter very quickly.
You’re a bully and abuser how you treat an autist like Joost.
All parties involved agree it was nothing except for the EBU who have routinely shown to create unsafe working environment for many artists as we have heard plenty of stories now.
Nasty how you defend that.
Sources, honey. Give me the sources. Show me the proof. What you write is air until you show me something
Swedish police have not admitted that at all. That’s lie #1.
He is not an autist. What are you talking about? Lie #2.
It is not true that all parties involved said it was nothing. Lie #3.
Also: Mr Klein made very clear during the press conference of the 2nd semifinal what he thinks about bullying himself, so…
Regardless of your stance on this particular issue the EBU has conducted itself terribly across the board. They basically they blamed the delegations for every single issue this year (and there were many) and took absolutely no responsibility for anything whatsoever.
The rules were simple tho. Wave anything linked to your country flags and the LGBTQA+ one. And the one complaining all did the complete opposite. The artists aren’t innocents here. The Israeli delegation that with its members that harassed the other delegations. All of them have to follow the rules. Many other delegations did the same and they aren’t de*d: Croatia, Armenia, Ukraine, Sweden, Spain, UK and others. Follow the rules
No, he was dq’ed before they investigated his case. according to a spokesperson of the Malmö police it was a very small incident. What happened to innocent until proven guilty.
That’s not how it works, honey. Minimise such things are terrible. Imagine all women being in that situation and minimising the violent acts men have towards us and labelling it as ‘not important’. Because yes, it is. He showed violence and had to be punished for it. Y’all are defending him cause he’s a fan favorite. That’s just miserable.
Shame on you Joost. Your parents would be ashamed to have a son like you.
Uhm. Nope. Why do you people blatantly lie? Of course he was investigated before being disqualified and of course he admitted to having threatened this woman, which is why he was out.
You are also lying about the fact that the Malmo police said it was a small incident. That is simply NOT true. Never happened.
So if the EBU insisted, they are either working like a normal organisation, or the camerawomen didn’t accept the apology.
Also: This is not how it works in the adult work. You do not commit a crime or criminal offense and then simply say sorry and all is well.
Lol, you just hate him because he challenged your precious Eden at the press conference. We’re not moving on until the EBU answers for their double standards and all the shenanigans with the Israeli delegation.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. He was awful to Eden and looked like a lousy character to me due to that but it’s nothing compared to the EBU. Making a guy look like a criminal due to DQing him from the final he qualified for when he basically just briefly hissed at someone for violating his privacy is dystopian. Making the worst bully of the year the EBU itself.
He challenged the adjudicator rather than the singer, Maggie If the adjudicator hadn’t said “you don’t need to answer that” then this issue might not even have arisen. But that proves your point, the EBU were giving Israel special treatment.
Don’t get me wrong honey. I hate both of Eden and Joost songs.
I just hate injustice towards women and the glorification of men being rude and violent towards women. Which is exactly what he did to Eden. He only git his karma right up the *ss with being disqualified. I laughed so much at this.
Now I hope the Israeli journalists that harassed my loves Bambie Thug will get punished too. No excuses for all
It’s also okay to threaten men I guess? Why does the gender matter? Explain that to me you … anyways, explain that.
The question of gender is a dog whistle. For several hours after the news broke, EBU was silent, letting rumors of very bad behaviors circulate in the media. If that wasn’t on purpose then it was gross negligence. And the EBU failed miserably.
Twisting my words, like a good pet from the internet.
No one deserves to be threaten. Joost was violent. He got his europap*ss kicked out. Fair and square. Get over it
the worst edition of Eurovision, from the turquoise carpet, to the technical problems up to the protests!
I dont understand how this could happen. Of all places, it happens in Sweden lol. It seems to me SVT lost its spark. I dont think the shows were as good as in 2013 and 2016.
I don’t think this was SVT’s fault at all.
I thought it was such a great show, especially the first semi final. Elegent, funny, great hosts.
The protests could have been easily been avoided…
This ESC has been a black hole of chaos and misery. I don’t even have post-ESC depression this year. I just feel like millions of us across Europe have been locked in a room while people scream. Traumatic.
Any word on how Joost is doing?
I hope he is reclining on a Caribbean island, cocktail in hand, his feet being massaged by someone pretty.
He is doing fine, he went to a fan Eurovision after party and then back to The Netherlands.
EBU messed this up big time.
Good to hear.
I wish the EBU had taken a signal from Agnete, Norway 2016, and realised that not everybody is able for this onslaught of pressure.
Neuro awareness is the missing ingredient.
What happened to Agnete in 2016?
Nothing, she just opted out of all the press attention. Due to mental health concerns. She realised early on it would be too much for and so said NO.
Acts should not be made to feel this ridiculous type of intrusive scrutiny is part of the deal.
Too much for her
That’s why I think there will be little or no fan press accreditations next year. The EBU were cracking down anyway, now they have an excuse to pull the plug. Also I predict no pictures or clips from any of the individual rehearsals.
What you’re saying here is that not everybody is cut to be a celebrity. Especially one whose image is based on fishing for attention.
He’s got a gig at a festival upcoming Sunday.
Crown The Joost!
Im hoping the removal of Luktelk from Spotify isn’t the start of artists removing this years entries out of protest ? ??
What happened? Some form of protest from Silvester?
It’s indeed not available for me. But neither is the official album… only the Karaoke version. I think this year’s show was so hard to enjoy. Yes I am aware I feel get to know why – I’m aware, and yet that’s still hard to swallow as an experience overall
Is the ancient rune-stone still available?
Woman complaining that she couldn’t get through to vote for Israel. When the presenter asked her what other songs she liked, she said just Israel… and that she hasn’t really watched the show. This is the problem now with voting being open for several hours, voting manipulation much easier, you just need to create politically sided WhatsApp groups and tell people to vote within a long time frame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY_EjxxVGJU
and another reason to keep juries (hopefully with more members)
Some posts on Festival da Canção’s Instagram are filled with comments where people claim they have voted for Israel without even watching the full show. That says a lot about the motivation behind the “massive support” that the Israeli song had across Europe…
And you just need to check the ESC 2024 Spotify stats to see that Israel’s song is not anywhere near the top, so clearly people did not vote for the music https://esctracker.com/spotify
Funny to read these comments on here defending Israel and proud to have some European support – yeah the support they have are literal far right nut jobs, islamophobes and f@scists.
Telling these are the people Israel is proud of having their support lol.
Yep, the “silent majority”.
Birds of a feather flock together. Israel’s government = far right.
yeah i know, i mean Benny had lunches with infamous journalists like Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, says more than enough if you ask me
Has Österdahl not been fired yet?
We keep hopping..
Ruxandra or someone at Wiwibloggs, please write an article on Israel’s vote manipulation. I just posted the link to the source.
Take your obsession with Israel somewhere else
Please, don’t try to silent dissent.
EBU?
European Bullsh*t Union
Jesus if I was Martin I’d resign at this point.
BREAKING: Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs admits to vote manipulation in other countries to boost Eden Golan’s televote score, as reported by The Time of Israel and The Grayzone.
All this manipulation and they still didn’t win the televote lol.
I already suggested that Bibi should ask for a refund from the experts he hired.
Link:
thegrayzone . com/2024/05/14/israel-astroturfed-eurovision-vote/
All that block of text and zero proof of any vote manipulation going on, just huge budget for promotion… in New York where the vote contributes to a larger vote that accounts for 1/38th of the total from the public. Seems like vote manipulation is the new excuse to explain the great result of someone you dislike.
Link to the source
I just posted it above.
Oh great , what a reliable source. An explicit antisemit site that should be report to authorities.
lmao did you know the founder and preside of The Grayzone is journalist Max Blumenthal, a Jewish man? Cope harder.
mediabiasfactcheck .com/the-grayzone/
omg eurovision is like the ellen degeneres show
Cancelled 🙂
It could be worse, like Jerry Springer.
The Wiwibloggs comment section is more of the Jerry Springer vibes if I’m honest lol
And that’s before I started battering Israeli’s with my d i l d o.
lol
That was too classy for Springer though. That’s prime entertainment
Some 100 artists going through in between them and only one who acted in a way that required the police to open an investigation.
What a victim.
…or only one who made himself very clear about boundaries and respect, pissed a lot of people off, and some hurt Karen decided to call the police. What a victim.
Police got involved and quickly concluded its a big nothing burger.
I hope that camera person is enjoying her few shekels for getting Joost disqualified.
Until this year I always thought that backstage was a preparation area only. I had no idea there was so much media and camera intrusion. I’ve never seen any footage of backstage movement apart from official content so assume as much. I haven’t really seen any ‘official’ footage from backstage either so surprised by the ‘swarming’ nature of these people. It seems physically dangerous with all the moving parts, teams, instruments, costumes etc. One very simple change next year is no camera or media presence (at all) except for front-of-house, the media center, and designated interview breakout areas, and only… Read more »
Right. I too thought “backstage” meant, y’know, backstage.
The ridiculous partnership with TikTok might have something to do with this…
Well, good idea. But the problem is EBU’s contract with TikTok. EBU was so-called ‘protecting’ the artists by banning the fan-press most time of the event, but introduced TikTok instead, doing worse. This is also what S10 said in her interview. It’s the money that prevails. No TikTok, no money, but what about the artists?
Easy enough to solve if there are officially scheduled and storyboarded interactions with each delegation… A a location predetermined. And agreed interdelegation playtime, messing around – also storyboarded.
Running around like a headless chicken isn’t content… It’s just more junk to flick past.
EBU created such a soap opera. More dramatic than the actual Eurovision. A new twist everyday.
It’s all coming to light now. No longer able to bury its head in the sand.
I for one, am thankful. It’s been a long time coming.
This is NOT public broadcasting, it is corporate exploitation.
Easily! Without a doubt.
“Fck the EBU”
Fck TikTok
the house of cards is falling apart
Zero tolerance policy on hate and harassment but not when it comes from the Israel delegation
In the meantime in 2022 we had Michael Ben David crossing other’s artists’ and people’s boundaries, many of those were recorded on video, and the EBU didn’t care in the least.
What did he do? He always seemed fishy to me
For example this:
https://twitter.com/gjkooijman/status/1523371199652265984?s=20&t=sA_A5x0GbfTffdoJRdCAtw
He also kissed Sheldon Riley on the lips, who has Asperger, during the red light carpet. And during a press conference he forcefully took Mia Dimic’s microphone.
LOL “red light carpet” is of course “red carpet ceremony”.
Haha I wouldn’t want to see what happens to a red light carpet lol
Ew, the stains
Oh, that goblin… I had already forgotten about him.
I hadn’t appreciated this til now, Joost’s song ends on a poignant and emotional moment reflecting on his parents. Filming him just after rehearsal is so insensitive and intrusive. He should have been left alone. Sounds like it was the same for S10.
According to his creative director Gover Meit, the outro was so emotionally charged for Joost that he actually didn’t even want to rehearse it. That’s saying something.
Does that also mean EBU and svt were the ones that decided we got to see the emotional outro as a sneak peak before the show started? Because that would have been the ultimate ‘**** you’ to AVROTROS and joost when they even didnt want to rehearse it and then they even decide to show it to the whole world before the start of the live shows.
Yes EBU released the clips of the rehearsals. The Dutch team chose the outro for the recap. Joost doesn’t mind sharing his emotions with his audience, on the contrary. Look at Florida 2009 in front of huge festival crowds. But I guess rehearsing those emotions in a empty venue didn’t sit right with him.
I am going to cross-post this something I shared in a different thread just now: As I know a lot of people are eager to know what happened with Joost that led to his disqualification. So I’d like to share an eyewitness account that was recounted yesterday in a Dutch talk show. This talk show caters to a rather angry demographic and its content is often negative in nature. They have also had it in Joost from the moment he released Europapa. Yesterday’s episode was no difference, but remarkably enough the eyewitness story that was shared exonerates Joost from the… Read more »
IF TRUE, This would be insane. To even turn this into a police investigation is mental. Is the charge“I dropped my phone because of him.”? If anything, bothering the police with such nonsense is the worst thing here.
So if it wasn’t a camera woman, while they said it was, was she even Swedish? Because I’m seeing a lot of people say the complaint was filed by Keren Peles and it wouldn’t surprise me if it was her, seeing how she filmed Bambie and Marina. Seems there are many similarities with them and Joost’s situation, so that would make so much more sense than just a random Swedish woman.
The EBU stated that a “female member of the production crew” was involved. And Cornald Maas tweeted on Saturday that “the incident had nothing to do with Israel or the Israeli delegation”. So it can’t be Keren Peles. A Dutch Eurovision reporter has claimed that the alleged victim is neiter Israeli or Swedish.
Ah I didn’t know they said that! Shows how much better it would’ve been if the EBU had given more clarity and allowed less space for speculation, because I’ve seen quite a few people mentioning her in this context.
I really think those rumors only started because people were calling the alleged victim a Karen :’D
That would actually make sense lol
I was the one who referred to the camera person as a ‘Karen’, as she took no responsibility in her part in the fracas – I stand by that. It’s a whole lot of nonsense. Keren Peles posted herself filming Joost without his permission (after she was asked NOT TO film him) so pretended to take a picture of one of Eden’s dancers and did it just to be another version of a Karen – where rules don’t apply. I don’t hate Israel or Eden. I like the song – mid-tier; but their nasty entourage needed kicking out. It’s illegal… Read more »
Keren Peles is an awful person, but she didn’t do this. The “camera women” is the one who films the footage for the TikTok videos. I assume this is someone who works for the EBU, and has worked for multiple Eurovision editions. She has bothered Joost with unwanted filming multiple times before the incident (during multiple rehearsals), and that’s why he overreacted on the night of the incident.
Exactly! Even though not directly involved, the atmosphere that the Israeli delegation created backstage might very well have contributed to Joost Klein’s mental state.
She’s from Israel but living/working in Sweden in normal life she’s a singer/songwriter, not a professional photographer
Welke talkshow? Kan ik het even terugkijken.
Albert Verlinde @ Vandaag Inside *kots*
And Albert Verlinde knows all of this because….?
I don’t like Verlinde, but he is a powerful television and theater producer. And for many years he hosted the nation’s prime gossip show. That guy knows every part of Dutch media like the back of his hand.
Bruh if this is true, then the EBU is just straight up lying and gaslighting the public so hard…. this definitely won’t be the last thing we hear from this.
Anyway, congrats to Joost for all his deserved Spotify streams!
AVROTROS should not give up until they have answers form EBU and adequate measures will be taken.
It’s war. And while no one in The Netherlands expects us to win against the EBU, we might damage them enough so they will think twice before doing something like this again. The EBU is a powerful entity and The Netherlands is just not an important enough member to them that there will be full compensation.
….wait, …there’s really that little faith? Isn’t the Netherlands the biggest financial contributing participant after the big 5 or have I been hearing wrong this whole time?