AVROTROS — the state broadcaster in The Netherlands — says that its chances of participating in the Eurovision Song Contest 2025 are small.
That’s the bad news coming out of Hilversum as Eurofans wait for final confirmation that the Dutchies are in — or out — following the disqualification of Joost Klein in Malmö.
The news emerged on Thursday, after Anouk’s management confirmed to RTL Boulevard that she is serious about submitting a song for Eurovision 2025.
The Netherlands at Eurovision 2025: Broadcaster says chances of participation are small
The tea started to flow last weekend at the North Sea Jazz Festival in Rotterdam.
During her set, Anouk said that she had made the “perfect record” for Eurovision. RTL Boulevard approached Anouk’s manager Kees de Koning to see if the Eurovision 2013 singer was joking — and it turns out that Anouk does in fact have a song to submit.
However, as De Koning explained, there is one big problem. “There is no [Eurovision] committee anymore, so I don’t know who to send it to.”
The broadcaster has subsequently contacted Anouk to say they’re interested in hearing her submission. But only later. They are not in a position to consider it because of their ongoing issues with the European Broadcasting Union.
The Dutch broadcaster has been very clear that it expects certain cultural and structural changes within the EBU before it commits to returning to the contest that expelled its artist just a few months ago (and on the day of the grand final). As RTL News wrote:
“AVROTROS first wants to gain confidence that matters have improved before selecting a new entry. The broadcaster therefore considers the chance that the Netherlands will participate next year to be small.”
“AVROTROS will make a final decision about their participation in the song festival in September. If they decide to participate after all, they will know where to find Anouk.”
Anouk is widely considered the turning point for The Netherlands at Eurovision. Following eight straight non-qualifications, Anouk took the Dutch back to the grand final and to ninth place at Eurovision 2013 with her song “Birds.” She walked so that Ilse DeLange and Waylon could run to second place a year later.
Even so, insiders have told Wiwibloggs that the chances of Anouk being selected are slim because she’s become an increasingly controversial figure. In February, she uploaded a transphobic Instagram post and caption.
NikkieTutorials, trans icon and co-host of Eurovision 2021, clapped back, writing: “Having one of the Netherlands’ most down to earth, respected musicians be a shameless terf [trans exclusionary radical feminist] and transphobe was not on my bingo card for 2024.”
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Anouk Is a Wh… Children with various men, disgusting …
imagine getting offended over that. It’s giving beta ma… oops
Her previous entry saked.
I am wondering if talking about musical quality etc. will be replaced by talking about being a victim / politics almost completly in 2025 already?
Anouk has apologised and educated herself since. The apology seemed genuine.
the day netherlands announces their withdrawal, i’ll be partying honestly
finally that stinking loser generic country out of the contest
and also hopefully NPO being abolished entirely, more people becoming unemployed we want that
The only country with a backbone. The rest believes the EBU on their blue eyes.
of course i believe the EBU, should we have allowed a women hater to participate in the grand final then?
what do i care if my nation doesn’t compete, LOL i still have VRT, ARD or BBC where i can watch the contest, i don’t give a damn about my stupid nation
‘women hater’ Where is your proof? Has he been found guilty? Otherwise don’t bother us with your empty words all the time.
that the police are doing an investigation, they wouldn’t do that without concrete allegations
eurovision is better off without generic depressing netherlands anyway
every competing nation needs to remain silent, not voice their own opinion, EBU are the ones in control of everything, so shut up or else
off course they do, if I accuse you of no matter what tomorrow they will investigate it too. According to the EBU Joost can participate again next year (and they know exactly what happened), so I don‘t think it was a big deal.
hahahah, your comment aged well. Swedish police stops investigation as they have no proof! hahaha – maybe delete your disinformation. And good luck watching on ARD
Nice grammar.
No! AVROTROS cannot be absent from the Eurovision Song Contest a fifth time, nor should you consider the Netherlands a stinking loser generic country. People losing their jobs isn’t worth celebrating either.
i love the EBU, and Daddy Martin Osterdahl, i am sure they will deliver a epic cheesefest easter egg filled contest next year, so hopefully it will be in geneva if they are smart to live up to the one ingredient what also makes eurovision eurovision, cheesiness
i am watching the contest, regardless of the depressing turds of avrotros what they’ll decide to, if they want to keep defending the women hater Joost, EBU dq’ing Joost was justified, if you break the rules you need to be punished
and Israel are victims so of course we should protect them
‘Daddy’ Martin Osterdahl. Hahaaa
stop framing please.
There is still a chance that all this can be worked out. Avrotros asked for an independent investigation into 2024, and as far as I know this has been set in motion with the EBU. Until the investigation is concluded, any “news” on this topic is just gossip and speculation. Avrotros also asked for cultural and structural changes within the EBU to take place, which can honestly be interpreted as: “Do something different.”
I can think of one or two very obvious changes…..
well lesser swedish involvement within the EBU maybe, also bring back the own language rule in some form, maybe similar to junior eurovision, 70% native language 30% another language, or remove pre-recorded backing vocals, more live backing vocals and more live singing rather than relying on pre-recorded vocals more privacy in rehearsals, no media at all rehearsals, just in the mediacentre to be able see multiple staging photos, 10 second snippet like everyone else more security for delegations, so none of them can provoke each other like what the israeli delegation were doing this year and if we participate, i… Read more »
100% own language this is what makes Eurovision
my entry would be in english 😉 sucking up to the greatest dilf in the world Martin Osterdahl
its not toony, osterdahl is hotter than clooney, i absolutely respect him for dq’ing the joost turd
That’s up to the artists to decide. I have nothing against foreign-language songs, though.
didn´t you just say one post above that Israelis were victims? Now you call them bullies? Interesting..
i would love this.
I like how the only word regarding this on the main page is “Unlikely”.
she really? those birds are alive and they coming to peck you girl
i agree with Anouk tbh she is spitting facts and i hope she does represent the netherlands
She could come back as a guest and do the usual “Eurovision Medley” with Bambie Thug, iOlanda, Nemo and Marina Sattim
Satti
nah i would love to see her do a song with John Lydon though
This year Israel was heavily booed, but we can easily have the same situation with the Netherlands if transphobic Anouko Man end up representing them lol
we won’t take part hopefully
only a few events are important to me we compete in
and no i am not against the LGBTQ+ community, i have respect for the community as an outsider
and my apologies for the hate of mine against Nemo, also as a matter of fact they remind me kinda of a former classmate of mine
Seems Hans Klok wants to do Eurovision for us, oh now that i would like tbh, he has a good singing voice, i liked him on it takes 2 on team glennis grace
All Isreals fault
its not a joke, it is all israel’s fault
i don’t want my country to be competing in a PC contest in Geneva (of course its gonna be Geneva, EBU HQ located there duh) 2025 will be much much worse than 2024 lmao and i kinda pray it’ll be an awfully snooze trash contest, many bad quality songs too i hope (those who do compete, select novelty entries only pls)
#EurovisionNeedsToBeCancelledForGood
And yet you’re still gonna watch it and bring your tr4sh opinions here. Leave and shvt vp for good.
of course i am still here, to jinx the 2025 artists lol, what do i care about the competing countries lol
The hashtag #EurovisionNeedsToBeCancelledForGood will only make the EBU ignore you and other how hate the contest and want it cancelled.
who*
so what?
i can play my own fan contest by myself, with far better results and entry selections
playing with me, myself and i is so much fun
It’s sad how the EBU put so much effort in Isr**l participation but so little in the Dutch one. The EBU really disqualified Joost under cuestionable claims and they haven’t really tried to fix that.
Because the Israeli team didn’t threaten any woman among the EBU crew and find excuses like being autistic. Joost was just an ace in the hole and deserved to be taken out the contest like the piece of tr4sh he was
Israel team was smart and ‘didn’t do it’ themselves, like sending death threat to Spanish journalists, mocking all the singers signed on the open letter, etc.
that is literally called provocative behaviour, which you can sanction a country for and it being perfectly justified too
another word for provoking is baiting 😉
+ the israeli delegation knew the ebu wouldn’t do anything against them so they played with how naive the ebu really is, to play the victim card to the ebu but meanwhile being such trolls to other countries delegations and artists
The Israeli delegation did worse things.
The AVROTROS male team are acting like spoiled divas. Just withdraw in silence and leave your seat to a country that deserves it.
No country deserves to compete in fascist ebu’s pc contest and believe me next year will be most sterile, boring contest to date in geneva, ebu hq city
That’s not nice. The EBU shouldn’t be considered fascist because they’ve worked very hard to make a safe environment. That being said, the Eurovision Song Contest and other EBU events are very important to many participating countries. Furthermore, the EBU doesn’t like receiving hateful comments.
just don’t hire easily triggered camera women, maybe an idea?
we live in a free world or i used to think we weren’t north korea or russia, i am entitled of my own opinion, and our artists are entitled of their own freedoms, if Joost had said he didn’t want to be filmed then the EBU should listen to that and act accordingly, Israeli delegation should’ve been sanctioned 😉 for also provoking against other countries
Spoiled diva? Who’s overreacting on every Joost news with biased hatred?
Anouk started the Netherlands Eurovision renaissance, Joost ended it.
Yep. This ab*ser ruined everything.
No the EBU ended it
The EBU will renew the Dutch Eurovision renaissance next year.
No thanks we don’t want a transphobe in the contest.
What was it exactly that she said that shows her hate towards anyone?
I’m surprised that the broadcaster is still participating in Junior Eurovision this year to be honest, as I thought they’d withdraw if they’ve still got ongoing problems with the EBU over what happened in May.
It’s another broadcaster that organises our jesc participation
No it is not: both are avrotros.
Our broadcaster had selected the participants for Junior Eurovision already. It would be really sad to take away that opportunity from them. That is why I think we still participate in Junior this year.
we haven’t? Netherlands always selects internally, and we haven’t selected our artist there, so not too late to withdraw
Junior Eurovision has different organizers.
But for the Dutch Junior Eurovision pre-selection, AVROTROS should not limit songwriting credits to adults. One or more participant may not like the song he or she is assigned, and the EBU should limit adults’ involvement in songwriting to a maximum of 50%.
I agree. The songs are very uninspiring and are limited to three topics: relationships, music/dancing and friendships. The generic pop tunes don’t help either. We’re not gonna win with this format anytime soon.
ESC or no ESC, I am really interested in Anouk’s submission.
She lacks talent so doubt its anything good lol
Maan is better of ours, she channels konstrakta vibes in her latest song paranoia
Well, “Birds” were quite something – especially with respect to this year’s attempt.
No ESC? Like it or not, the Eurovision family of events will be on TV forever.
Just withdraw already and for good pls, stop wasting our money at this stupid childish nonsense contest
And Anouk better retire her career
If we are in, we lack a backbone same as norway, afraid of being against the fascist ebu
No! The Eurovision family of events is very important to the Netherlands, and Anouk retiring from music would be a huge loss for her record label.
not that important though, only a waste of our money
and we can easily fill up the gap in May with something else, maybe a festival just for big dutch artists, a dutch A Dal of some sort, i mean i respect Hungary for not competing anymore, i respect Turkiye for not competing anymore
I miss Turkey and Hungary. Also, ESC will never be discontinued, regardless of how many countries participate.
So why you still speak about esc if you hate esc so much?
Find something you enjoy and let people who really like esc enjoy it.
Turkey and Hungary are not in esc anymore but it is not because of music or because people doesn’t like esc. They live under dictator and that’s why they are not in esc anymore.
well we have a far right leader now as well, whose views i agree with
our wonderful dutch trump – Dick Schoof
Why are you mentioning Norway and not the other 18 (19) planning to participate?
because Norway threatened to withdraw but ultimately they chickened out, so whatever loser they are going to send to ultra rich switzerland i hope will flop so hard and get boo’d for being a scared chicken nation
No! Norway is one of my favorite countries in the Eurovision family of events, and for whoever represents Norway to be booed would be a red flag. Also, calling Eurovision participants losers means you’re bullying them. NRK should take the contest seriously in hopes of getting a fourth ESC victory.
eurovision participants are wannabe artists willing to perform in a contest organized by evil fascist scum
i don’t think actual artists like Camila Cabello, Dua Lipa, Lady GaGa, Ariana Grande, One Republic, Coldplay need eurovision
just some z-lister tiktokkers whom otherwise don’t perform anywhere else lol
The EBU doesn’t like being called such horrible nicknames. Whether or not actual recording artists need Eurovision is up to them to decide. Also, you’re not welcome because I want the EBU to ban haters.
Anouk and JK Rowling would make a great collab!
JK Rowling is just saying the truth. Y’all should stop hearing about her from other people and actually think with your brain. 🙂
Anouk also uses N word while responding a black person criticizing her transphoic views
Rowling is a bastard
I hate to admit it, but a part of me really hopes they will withdraw. After what happened this year, I feel like still coming back next year just gives off the message that the EBU can mess things up to the nth degree and everyone will just politely turn up next year anyway. It gives the EBU less incentive to make substantial changes.
The more people want the Netherlands to drop out, the more the EBU will persuade the tulip country’s broadcaster to continue participating. The more people say 2024 is the final year for the Eurovision Song Contest, the more they have to deal with the fact that the 2025 edition is on the EBU’s schedule.
I’d be suprised if Netherlands didnt withdraw.
For me, the Netherlands dropping out will prevent them from repeating Duncan Laurence’s success in 2019.
The next year they organized the best Eurovision of all times so penny wise, pound foolish.
Joost 2025 or nothing…
Should the Netherlands confirm ESC 2025 participation, you have to be okay with whoever represents the country of tulips.
100% agree
I’d rather see us stay away from Eurovision than have Anouk represent us. I really dislike her.
Don’t be a jerk, okay? Anouk sings just fine (better than me in fact), “Birds” is nostalgic, and the Netherlands is considering 2025 participation, but has yet to make a final decision. Should Anouk represent the Netherlands at Eurovision 2025, you’ll have to deal with. If the Netherlands is represented by another famous Dutch singer or a non-Dutch recording artist of Dutch decent, such as Grace VanderWaal or Anneliese van der Pol, then there’s nothing to worry about.
You don’t know why she’s so unpopular nowadays, right?
If no: She’s a terf.
Why on Earth would Anouk want to return? She is against what Eurovision stands for