Finnish and Icelandic artists are among those who have called for Israel to be banned from the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 over the ongoing Gaza War. But on Thursday the European Broadcasting Union re-iterated its position that Israel will be allowed to participate in Malmö.
In a statement the EBU director general, Noel Curran, said:
“The Eurovision Song Contest is a non-political music event and a competition between public service broadcasters who are members of the EBU. It is not a contest between governments.”
“Our governing bodies … did review the participants list for the 2024 contest and agreed that the Israeli public broadcaster Kan met all the competition rules for this year and can participate, as it has for the past 50 years.”
Eden Golan will represent Israel at the song contest. She won the right in February following a three-month national selection, HaKokhav HaBa. Critics of Israel’s participation have drawn comparisons to Russia’s expulsion following its invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. They say the EBU isn’t being consistent.
But, as the Agence France Press reports, Mr. Curran does not believe it’s the place of the EBU to compare wars.
“In the case of Russia, the Russian broadcasters themselves were suspended from the EBU due to their persistent breaches of membership obligations and the violation of public service values,” he said. “The relationship between Kan and the Israeli government is fundamentally different to the relationship that exists between those Russian members and the state, with the Israeli government in recent years threatening to close down the broadcaster.”
In January, more than 1,400 artists based in Finland signed a petition calling for Israel to be excluded from this year’s contest. Their petition said: “It is not in accordance with our values that a country that commits war crimes and continues a military occupation is given a public stage to polish its image in the name of music.”
“At the same time other participating countries end up giving their support to Israel’s policies.”
In February, 400 celebrities hit back with a letting supporting Israel’s participation.
Helen Mirren, Emmy Rossum, Mayam Bialik, and Scooter Braun were among those who signed the letter.
It said: “Music is a place for unity not division. It is a language that should always bring us together. Artists should never be discriminated against for who they are, who they love or where they’re born. These boycott efforts do nothing but distract from the uplifting and unifying power of music — something we need more than ever.”
This is nothing short of cowardice. Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, and is brutally dispossessing Palestinians in the West Bank. It should be made a pariah and should be shunned by the civilized world until they stop their barbaric murdering of innocents. If the world pressured South Africa to stop its apartheid, it can surely pressure Israel into dropping its apartheid rule against Palestinians
And israel is climbing the 3rd place in the odds..lol…when tge song will be out it will jump directly to tge first place, Eden Golen is in the house…israel haters are gonna be si mad cause Eden is thaaaat good…i dont think there was such a singer at eurovision since celine dyon and i am not joking…Go and win it girl??
Even winning the Eurovision won’t absolve Israel of its crimes. Israel is doing so much Artwashing and Pinkwashing because it sure has a lot of dirty laundry, doesn’t it?
EBU thinks mostly about financial benefits for themselves. Rest is not as important to them.
When Ukraine asked them to disqualify russian participation due to the war begin in 2022, EBU denied it. Then they had to do it after a few countries, worn to cancel their participation if Russia still would be part of the contest.
Eden will save eufivision from a disaster year…what happened to the songs this year? So for only italy and ukraine are ok, luxemburg as well imo…the rest are terrible
Worldwide the tides are shifting in Peoples their voices against the W @rcrimes Israel is commiting.
Today 100K’s of protesters globally took it to the streets of their cities demanding for Ceasefire NOW and Peace!!
In the meanwhile the machine is just going on. If nothing can stop their Destruction . but yeah ‘they started it first………………………”
But we will being embraced and be loved in the United by Music ESC24 bubble……………………..
How this looks like the 30’s again!!??
HOW For Gods sake
WHY???
Lol, go to sleep kid, no one cares about your radical muslims ter*rists…for sure not eurovision fans
You’re a Nazi, go away
Lol, if you have tge ckurage to tell a jew that he is a nazi it says everything abkut ,ou sc@m…say it in my face if you are so brave…i am willing to give you my address, little as& hole
Avada Kedavra, I speak to destroy
The feelings I have, I cannot avoid
Through twisted tongues, a hex deployed on you
That all the pretties in your bed
Escape your hands and make you sad
And all the things you wish you had, you lose
I stopped commenting here because of the facile, childish responses I received from a minority of readers. However, I find it hard to read some of the comments below. Too many people are being labelled anti-semitic because they criticise the Israeli government, so what I am about to write is not about Judaism, Jewish culture or individuals, it is about a government and an army which is not conducting a war but the slaughter of innocents. The attacks on Israel in October were horrific and should be condemned but 8,000 Gazan children did not carry out these attacks. To suggest… Read more »
There are still ways to protest this. You can turn off the stream during Israel’s performance, people in the arena can trun nheir back to the stage, they can boo Israel getting points like they did with Russia numerous times and we can keep talking about the unacceptable things that are happening to P. civilians and helping whichever way we can. May this be an opportunity to send a message, we can be d*mn sure Israel will try to do that for themselves through their song and performance.
We can try to prevent them from spreading propaganda, but what you suggest is really unfair for Eden
Eden agreed to represent Israel that is currently killing thousands of civilians, i do not feel sorry for her, she could have declined.
Exactly.
If I were a musician offered to sing under my country’s flag and that country was investigated for w4r cr1mes and almost unanimously condemned by the UN, I would not in good conscience find it justifiable in my heart to represent it. I’d find myself revolting.
Everyone should take tomatoes and throw them on stage during the Israeli performance
I will find your lovation, be carefull
You cant even find your own pants Hasbara bot
All the people complaining really don’t care about Pal- they simply want to be seen as saviours. If you truly cared you would donate to the cause to aid those that need it instead of whining about a song contest. Whether Israel participates or not won’t affect the lives of Pal- what will make a difference is donating to them and actively helping. But many Europeans simply want to look as performative activist when in reality eurovision and what’s going on have NOTHING in comm
Exactly. Just like the difference between those who throw food at art pieces in museums and those who just go out there to clean a river or something.
Some like being loud and seem as activists, some are literally active.
They are delus!onal, they believe boycotting Eurovision will magically have an effect in the conflict. It did not happen with Russia, why would it be any different now? This is a song contest not the committee of United Nations! Truth is, whether Israel takes part in the contest or not it won’t change what’s happening in that region, specially when the Israeli government and broadcast organisation are not linked. Anyone that votes politically in the contest will just be wasting money that could have been invested in helping those that really need it.
Again double standards, Ukraine won few times for political reason , what an hypocritical comment ,I’m amazed with you comment
BDS played a massive role in bringing down apartheid in South Africa. BDS works! People prioritising their own comfort over Palestinian suffering right now is shameful.
Every boycott is important because they draw attention to the issue
People will eventually ask “Why Israel wasn’t allowed?” and then find its because their country is drawing a genocidal campaign that has claimed the lives of thousands of innocent children.
Then let Russia participate too, the double standards of this response are massive
Israel has already won:
1. Israel participates despite all the hatred
2. There are 2 Israeli representatives in Eurovision this year
3. Israel pass Iceland in betting odds
4. Israel up in the odds when Israel doesn’t have a song yet
There are 3 Israeli representatives in Eurovision this year (Including Bashar from Iceland, he is Israeli and live in Israel) 🙂
Avada Kedavra, I speak to destroy
The feelings I have, I cannot avoid
Through twisted tongues, a hex deployed on you
That all the pretties in your bed
Escape your hands and make you sad
And all the things you wish you had, you lose
Im so done with the selective outrage. Where were all of u to boycott the UK during the invasion of Iraq? I ain’t hearing anyone about Azerbaijan anymore? It just screams of virtue signaling and clearly the EBU aint pandering to it, good for them. And if the artists don’t wanna go? Fine, then don’t. Stop the attention seeking of being a good humanitarian and just make the decision not to go then. First of all less people to be rude to/ignore Eden this year. And instead of windows whoever man we will get Paskana, sounds like a win/win to… Read more »
So you think calling out a gen0cide is virtue signaling? You think calling for repurcussions for said gen0cide is attention seeking?
If it truly is a gn0cide, how come the ICJ didn’t tell Israel to stop the war right now?
There’s a big difference between a war and a gen0cide, please choose your words carefully.
The ICJ have instructed Israel to avoid civilian casulaties whilst Israel are picking off women and children like its sport. I stand by my words.
You think that’s what Israel does, while in reality, they’re doing their best to hurt as few as possible.
Do you have a better way of doing so? Maybe a magic spell to hurt not even a single civilian? Everyone would like to hear.
The ICJ literally told Israel to just keep on doing the same – make sure to avoid civilian casualties and keep on providing humanitarian aid, as already happening.
Stand by your words when you got some support for them. Otherwise, stay open to learn more about the reality there.
Sebas, the average Wiwibloggs user was likely either not “on the internet”, a child or not even alive in 2003. We can only properly criticize the actions that are undertaken in the current day and digging up old crimes won’t advance anything. If we want the contest to advance peace and understanding between all, we should speak up on current events and learn from the past. That is not what is happening here currently if they get to participate despite how much suffering is being committed actively every single day and we are in our right to call it out.… Read more »
Melissa, I love your comment. Kudos to you.
The people crying about Palestine today would also be the first people to cry about European colonialism in the 15-20th century and slavery and how they need to apologize for it. So it’s kinda rich coming from them to talk about “old crimes”.
You keep addressing the criticism as from whom it comes , essentially avoiding to talk about it. That’s sad. Either say your arguments about the issue or don’t comment about it at all
They do know, we see flags on the screen, not the logos of broadcasters, don’t they?
Meanwhile, Azerbaijan is busy cleansing Armenians, and crickets from the EBU.
Give me a break!
It’s an absolute travesty. My heart goes out to Armenia as well as Pa1est1ne.
Shame on the EBU!!!! They are co-signing on Israel’s genoc!de by allowing them to participate!!!
Blame the Irish head of the EBU Noel Curran. He said last year ‘It Will Be Terrible if Israel Is Removed From Eurovision’
Shame on the EBU!!!! They are co-signing on Israel’s genocide by allowing them to participate!!!
Gosh people just can’t enjoy a song contest without the needless politics. Get a life already and stop bullying artists on social media weirdos.
“needless” politics?? Have you been living under a rock? This isn’t about some petty feud, it’s literally a question of our humanity.
Needless politics in a SONG contest. You help no one by harassing artists and pressuring them to withdraw from a song contest! Go be an activist where it matters instead of being a keyboard warrior. Gen Z is truly degenerate.
What makes you think I’m gen Z? lol
First of all, EVERYTHING in this world is political, that’s how society works and secondly, eurovision has ALWAYS been political. It’s not a song contest where you have random artists regardless of their background. You have one from each country, representing that country. Flying the flag of that country, showing the culture and values of that country/nation. Let’s not fool ourselves.
No, not everything is political. The contest worked just fine before twitter activists pushed politics onto it. Normal people just want to enjoy a song contest in peace. Leave us alone and go strike in G aza.
I doubt your love of Eurovision if you have watched it for years and never found anything political in it. Its very foundations are rooted in politics.
Th ICJ literally found Israel guilty of the worst crimes possible and somehow the EBU is comfortable running propaganda in their favor? Because make no mistake even if everyone keeps their mouth shut (they wont) there will be israeli flags at eurovision and no one permitted to speak for their victims. Shameful and disgusting. I love eurovision as much as anyone else here but if the options are endorsing this travesty and missing the show. I will miss the show. Boycott the EBU. Israel should not exist much less be alowed to compete.
The ICJ literally did NOT find Israel guilty. That would take YEARS. All they did was find that a case can be brought foward. Argue your point, but it only gets undermined when you are wrong about basic facts.
I struggle with this too. I think in the end I’ll still be watching Eurovision out of my love for it, but I won’t be watching Israel’s performance. I’ll turn the stream off for the 3 minutes. And I’ll fully support all kinds of protests against Israel in and outside of the arena.
Screw Finland and Iceland. Getting Zero Points from me in May.
Unlike Iceland, most Finns have no problem with Israel taking part
I doubt you know most Finns.
Considering we just elected an US ass-kisser as the president the countrys policy is probably going to become very pro-Israel in the coming years because he’s more than likely just going to mimic what Biden does.
As an israeli i dint thunk finland is like iceland…iceland and ireland are the countries that are famous for jews hatred, not finland
I actually feel sorry for her. Not a good place to be when the spotlight will not be about her.
In a way, yes. She isn’t the Israeli government. On the other hand, she can always say no to going. So…
Always gets me when a government plays victim during a raging war that they’re totally complicit in, yet STILL find the time and money to compete in an unimportant entertainment show.
Total waste of resources, they won’t win anyway.
Unimportant entertainment show, how dare you.
I have to wonder. Don’t people here get that the more they uproar and put Israel in the headlines the more hype Israel gets and therefore has higher chances of winning the whole thing? Trust me, there’s more than enough people who will vote for them purely due to empathy over your hatred. You’re basically achieving the opposite.
Now that the decision of Israel’s participation is finalized you might as well get over it and just enjoy the show. Or just don’t watch it.
I think a lot of us will just ignore Israel’s bizarre participation this year.
I wonder if you think the UK should also be banned this year, for attacking in Yemen
Speaking to Abba’s Björn Ulvaeus on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, for which the Swedish songwriter was acting as guest editor, Eurovision’s executive supervisor, Martin Österdahl, was asked if the decision to exclude Russia had been hard to make. He said: “It was, and it still is. How Europe feels very much affects the contest. “It is also that when you look back in time, you see that the Eurovision song contest is like a logbook of what has happened in Europe, what the trends have been in Europe. “But, also, what is the kind of mood and sentiment of… Read more »
Waterloo 2024, Avada Kedavra,
Just a light-hearted segue: I wonder who has the job of proofing all the ESC song’s lyrics for political content? (This is apparently an ESC regulation.)
P.S. I wasn’t asked. I might like the job in the future though.
Is Jiminy Cricket available?
I saw on Reddit that they did in fact reject Israel’s initial song for 2024. It had ‘political’ lyrics.
Please, give us the proof. Actual proof, not something you saw on Reddit.
As far as we know, the Israeli delegation is still choosing a song and making sure, of course, it ain’t political.
Some comments here make me nauseous. The world is completely fu cked up.
Fine. May they come and may they have an awful experience. They should feel unwelcome. And before someone comes at me with the idea that the performer shouldn’t suffer the consequences… By agreeing to go, they know what they are doing and who they are representing. Even the thought that this is their chance to showcase their music in front of a wide audience is laughable, since it is just as likely if not more that they will ruin their career. And if their 3 minutes under the spotlight mean more to them than tens of thousands of murd3red children,… Read more »
Tldr; f*** Israel and its representative. You’re welcome
Lol..Another “genius” that is also an army expert that want to teach israel how you fight ter*or organisation that hides among civilians, in hospitals, mosques and school and force its citizens go stay in dangerous areas while israel is warning them to evacuate to.
You talk like israel out of the blue to sttack g@za, like nothing happaned on october 7….like israel is not killing h@m@s ter*orists..only childeren… if you are that stupid at least dont share it with everyone…you are a ter*or supporter that aims to teach the jewish ehat is morality, the jews invented the morality you clown
Israel is the terrorist organization
No and No Ha**mas is the terror organization ..Israel is a state.
Idio******t.
And you are tge stupid girl on earth so?
I actually thought this comment was somewhat serious until that absolute parody of the last sentence haha
When you will read the whole torah you will understand its not a parody, until then its better to keep your opinion to yourself
Now ask me what is torah…lol
I would like to thank EBU director general Noel Curran for the clarification. KAN may well be a respectable member of the EBU, and that is good to know. However, the general viewing public will not see a broadcaster being presented on the stage. They will see a song title, Eden Golan’s name, and they will see the flag and the country name: Israel. Because of this representation of one’s country, the event can be seen an expression of patriotism. It is this expression that will be criticised, given the current circumstances. Moreover, rightly or wrongly, the event will likely… Read more »
Bucks Fizz had an armed police unit with them at all times back in Dublin 1981. There was a bomb scare in the arena right before the 1997 contest. Security threats are not new, and HOPEFULLY something the EBU has considered in this case.
I guess we’ll be going to Harrogate instead of Malmö then? 😀
Ou est Harrogate?
To be honest, it’s even worse. Both EBU and Kan are ready to risk the safety of 37 delegates, hundreds of media guests, and thousands of spectators for the sake of one: making sure the Israeli propaganda is heard loud and clear.
We haven’t heard the act, yet, so I don’t necessarily agree that simply turning up is propaganda… but yeah, the EBU have never cared about that issue. Baku 2012. Here is Putin himself literally wandering around in person at the 2009 contest, visiting the press centre. Not intimidating at all.
https://youtu.be/8iPQ5eoLBFg?si=uO8Ee7bvjCOysfHc
When yku surronder ti ter*or irganisations like h@m@s means that you invite them to do you the same, the mentality and madness in the middle east is not something you are familiar with…when you show weakness in the midfle east you are dead, thats why israel must win the war and win it big time..all the other muslim countries surrondung israel are watching the war and if they will feel weakness from israel response they will try to sttack israel as well…life is beatifull in europe? Well, do mind your own buisness and dont try to teach israel how you… Read more »
Israel dos not deserve to exist. It is a terrorist apartheid state. Its neighbors should dismantle it.
Hey guys, look, The daughther of hitler is still alive….
I hope you are activists human rights when it comes also to Israeli women being r*aped by terrorists.
Or for yemen arabs by ki*lled by terrorists, or the curdis being bombed and ki*lled by te*rror Turkey regime.
Someone forgot to disable the comment section lmao
William is no doubt watching us, with his finger on the “stop” button if we stray too far.
Jerusalem 2025
If Eden will not win its not because of her or the song, everone knows that she will be the best singer at eurovision by far
I hate mixing my favourite feel good moment of the year with politics. The world can be an ugly place but during these 3 tv shows I just enjoy the show and the music. I am not ignorant, I am not naive, not pro or anti, this war only has losers, but can we please refrain from politics as much as possible? And WiWibloggs, I am a big fan and understand and support free speech, but maybe turn off the comments section regarding this topic? I know, a slippery slope, but I feel this only makes the divide bigger without… Read more »
“How dare people being gen0cided prevent me from blissfully reveling in my sheltered privilege where I don’t have to fear for my life or starve to de4ath? I just want to enjoy my favorite show in peace!! Turn off the comments so I don’t have to be disturbed with this nonsense that shouldn’t affect me at all.”
Ok H4m4s enabler
You said the quiet part out loud. You want to be able to enjoy ESC without having to think about an ongoing genocide. How sad for you that a genocide is getting in the way of your good time. I suppose you’re the real victim here.
Everyone, no matter where you’re from – please reach out to your broadcasters and ask them to protest this decision. Protest does matter. That was the real reason Russia was banned, not any “technical violations.” If you don’t have a national broadcaster participating, reach out to the EBU and SVT.
EBU thinking this is a good move is baffling. It’s one thing to stay silent, its another to try to defend this again and again. It only looks uglier the more they talk. Everyone knows Russia was not banned for technical violations, or they would’ve been banned many, many years ago. They were banned because the other participating broadcasters protested the Ukraine invasion. Israel’s Kan, as many have pointed out, have a good amount of violations up their sleeve, from broadcasting war propaganda to censoring journalism they don’t like. Hell, Israel stops any journalist they don’t like from going into… Read more »
Complete and utter nonsense. Russia was not banned for any named violations, or they would have a long time ago. They were banned because of pressure from other broadcasters amid the Ukraine invasion. Plenty broadcasters break the rules. Israeli KAN has used its competition to broadcast both war propaganda and admitted that the Israeli entry will exist to make the country look good in these “difficult times”. For that matter, press freedom seems to be something the EBU cares about, yet the many deaths of journalists by the IDF and the way Israel censors news about the war and doesn’t… Read more »
AMEN
Thank you for showing
Wise words.
Excellently put!
As I recall, Russia withdrew from the EBU. It was Belarus that was banned. My recollection is never at 100%, however.
Russia is an aggressor, Israel is a victim. I can’t comprehend how can anyone even compare the two. Banning Israel would be like banning Ukraine. An utter nonsense.
You lose your right to call yourself victim after killling thousands of innocent children and women. There is no excuse. You can go after h2mas all you want, but not in exhange of 2 terrorists for 200 children etc.Its pure evil
The situation is messed up but its not as if H4m4s (G4z4 strip’s governing authority) cares about them either
hey Bro. Thank you for speaking out.
Use the phrace District G indicating the occupied territories.
Easy way avoiding a moderator block.
Right, so Palestini4ns aren’t victims. It’s funny how none of you confused pro-terrorism people mind Palestinians putting toddlers in oven, that’s quite alright in your world apparently.
Israel is restraining itself a lot, to fight this war in accordance with international law and reduce civilian casualties to the greatest extent possible.
Where do you get your numbers from? Just twisting reality…
There are thousands of H@mas people dead, don’t just take anything they say as holy.
An occupier is not a victim.
Amzigh people, Phoenicians, Kurds, Coptic Egyptians, Sudanese people and others agree with your comment
Occupiet? Lol…how can jewd be occupiers on the land if israel? Lol…what you are saying is that israel never had kingdoms on this land way before tge name palestine wad invented(btw by the romman empire that expeled the jews from their land)…like there is no bible that says clearly to whom tnis land belongs to…you are so dumb its embarracing, but i guess that its not that you dont know it, now go to sleep littler N@zi
There’s no occupation.
The fourth largest army in the world, backed by the US, UK and UN vs an indigenous resistance militia. Israel is absolutely not the victim. 75 years of occupation and apartheid is violence.
Rules for Russia but not for the Russian-Israeli
Israel did a massive mistake when they gave G@Z@ to the p@lestinians in 2005.. they need to return to G@Z@ asap and clean that area from terr0rists!
How many are still left?
Just wait a few weeks.
They could be done by than.
Just enough time marketing a nice Lala Love and Peace song on the ESC24 stage.
Could work?
I swear if they will send some kind of “peace” song like Polina did back in the day(that fooled so many, didnt fool me though),
i feel like throwing up even thinking about it
Cancel Eurowision Permently If Izrael Competed Or Make A New Eurowision Without Them
Shut up little hitler
Izrael Does Not Ewen Care For There Own Hostages . Shame EBU God Is Watching And Juging You For This Sin , Same To All Who Supoort This Evil Empire
The Majorty Of Peoples Have Brains And Harts And We Know The Evil Being Comited By Izrael . Izrael And Ukraine There The Same And Want To Destroy There Enemys Completly . Its Called GENOSIDE
Don’t compare Ukraine to Israel.
Israel is doing genocide in Palestine.
Ukraine is protecting their land from Russia who feels they will never have enough of land, Ukraine is fighting for many of us in eastern europe, cause we know once Ukraine is fallen we are next to be taken by Russia.
Don’t compare Ukraine to Izrael.
Izrael is doing genozide in Palestine.
Ukraine is protecting their land from Russia who feels they will never have enough of land, Ukraine is fighting for many of us in eastern europe, cause we know once Ukraine is fallen we are next to be taken by Russia.
100%
No brain, no worries its your definition
OMG! I read comments and I want to believe that they are not aware of what they write, which I already read in the last history but now from the other side and that really saddens the soul.
I heard interviews of Israelis, they want the war to continue until H@m@s is destroyed, they don’t care what the world thinks. And about Eurovision? They feel that they have won by the fact that they are even participating in this year’s contest despite all the attempts to ban Israel. 🙂
Israel can lose in world’s public opinion, but Israel cannot lose in the war against H@m@s, Israel’s enemies will see it as a weakness and attack it as well, and that’s why Israel prefers to lose in public opinion but not lose itself. There will always be hatred for Israel and the Jews anyway.
Are you having some kind of episode? You’ve posted 3 bizarre rants in a row screaming about Isreal not caring about what anyone thinks of their actions but you really seem to care an awful lot.
They don’t… but.. I care.. 🙂
It’s hard for you to read the truth.. I know.. that’s why I’m here..
If you don’t care what anyone thinks of Isreal’s actions and it’s just israel against the world and blah blah blah why do you keep commenting the same things again and again? Clearly you care a lot what Europe thinks about you.
I DO CARE… but they don’t 🙂
If they didn’t care they wouldn’t be pushing so hard to participate.
They are not “pushing”, they just don’t want be banned because of a war that they don’t even start.
If one has been planting a seed once.
Harvest could be expected sooner or later.
Even if the results are sour fruits or rotten.
Im wondering why Israel is also commiting raids, arrests and mayhem with the peoples on the West Bank, bombing targets in Syria, Iraq, Iran and Lebanon.
Do they have tunnels there as well?
Bebause h@m@s exist also there maybe?
Did you know that if there were elections in the west bank h@m@s would win?
Thats exactly why you dont have elections in the west bank…
This has nothing to do with jewish people and everything to do with israel’s crimes.
OMG! She is sooo stunning! Our ESC 2024 Winner!!! 🙂
She is AMAZING! On another level!! LOVE HER!!
Shes only waling and screening OOOOAAOO al the time. Israels song its bad
Lol…the song wasnt even released…and i am sorry for but Eden will be tge best singer at eurovision this year and by for…we are talking here on world wide star potensial, not just another singer..wait and see…
We need a new vision without an EBU reference group. If A can be banned or pushed into dismissal for murdering hundreds, so shall B be banned from participating in killing thousands. And I don’t even care if H*mas is using civilians as a shield. That’s simply not an excuse to kill thousands of children and women. Imagine Nazis saying, “We’re only killing those Jews who support terr0rists”, and then killing millions in the process. I mean, history will repeat itself despite us living in a digital era, mark my words.
You dont care about more than 1400 Israelis who murderd By Ham*as and the Israeli hostages taken by monsters.
We care and i dont care about your disgusting opinion.
Maybe the EBU should also ban pepole like you who support Terrori**sts like Ha**mas I**si**s
@devito
The EBU doesnt ban anyone quickly.
You must understand that by now I guess?
Flip that, and ask yourself do YOU care about the thousands of P alestinians m urdered by Israel and the P alestinian hostages taken by Israeli forces, held without trial.
Both are valid questions.
No i dont, becouse palestinian also praticipated and support Ham*as isi*is. They want to kill every jew and Israeli and destroy israel, thats their agenda.
I do care about innocent pepole and the IDF doing a lot to not attack innocents.
You are contradicting yourself.
Yeah, thats why there are 28.000 killed humans in District G after 4 months? Because they took care……………………..
They really do care isnt it?
Its a beautifull picknick in the park.
Hope the IDF can distributed portable radios to the displaced, hungry, sick and traumatized 1.000.000 + citizens in district G.
So they can listen to the United by Music Lalala Peace message of ESC 24.
Maybe that could turn them into better human?
So they can carry on their suffering with a more enlightened heart an soul.
Do you really believe H4m4s’s made up figures you clown?
No I dont believe figures published are made up? I dont understand your question?
And why calling me a clown? Did i call you names?
If you arent able having a decent talk with me. I wont use any more time reacting.
All the IOF do is attach innocents. All Israel wants do do is kill all arabs. The pal e stinian people only want to be allowed to live in their homes. You are a liar or a hypocrite but regardless history will revile you and yours. That is what you will have to live with you miserable piece of garbage.
they aren’t “P@lestinian hostages” they are criminals that did terror in Israel, that’s why they in jail.. but you right on on thing.. Israel need to kill all those terrorist next time and not let them live in their jail cells.
YEAH, bring back the Quillotines…………….
Ah yes all the imprisiond children held without trial. Guilty because you decided. Go f yourself
The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.
This excludes five people, among them four Israelis, still listed as missing by the prime minister’s office
source France24.com
The numbers are not relevent! If a country is attaced by terro*r group it should do everything to protect itself.
Like The U.S did after 09/11.
Ati, do you post here under any other names?
So confronted with official published numbers of the mortal victems on israeli side its suddenly not relevant? Those attacks were horrendous indeed and nothing or nobody can justify this by any means. The same applies for the 09/11 attacks. But as a matter of fact the numbers of innocent humans killed in both counterattacks dont lie either. There has been also global concerns amd outrage on the USA approch back than. And rightly so. So may onslaught has happenend for many years. USA pres. J Biden has stated in a speech recently about this period that he thought the USA… Read more »
You do know that most people would agree that the US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were a terrible idea now right?
Also, Iraq particularly had very little if anything at all to do with Sept 11. Bush Junior just used it as excuse to finish his father’s war from a decade earlier.
With morons like Tony Blair jumping aboard based on nothing but sympathy and goodwill. Rationale was irrelevant. We should be more like Chirac here.
The whole western geo politics back in that time has been proven truly attrocious. No wonder much more anti western sentiment have been risen in many areas across the planet. And gues who are stepping in?? Russia and China.
Indeed that’s messed up too, rxssia and chyna are as bad as the west was two decades ago
The Israeli people care about the hostages, but the government doesn’t, they could have them back tomorrow if they wanted, but then Bibi would have to give up his power over the emergency government.
Ask yourself that, why isn’t the government doing everything they can do get them back? Why are they continuing to bomb the areas they are held in?
Maybe if the israelis hadnt pushed all the natives of that land into concentration camps, they would not have been attacked? Just a thought
So you’re justifying the actions of H@mas on October 7th. Thanks for showing your true self.
Your comment show how ignorant you are.
You just suggest to give a prize to a terr**or group.
Please, stop calling people who react on what you post but are on the other side of your spectrum as dumb, ignorant, anti semtic or nasie.
Some more space in understanding even its a try in our differences, will help you beter in listening to the others.
Haters gonna hate has become a hollow (hehehe TY Don) One liner……………………!!
i don’t know why they are so insistent about this…
israel should just sit out this year, honestly. things are too tense and there will be security threats. stay out, it will be better for everyone
How about we condemn those who wish to harm the Israeli delegation instead of telling them to sit out?
What are you saying? We should tell women to stay home so they wouldn’t get assaulted by strangers? Come on…
They insist on it because Israel has no problem competing this year, that’s all.
But if I insist beating my wife, as she treated on me, my kids as they put my slippers out of sight.
Or hitting my dog as he pooped in the bedroom.
The whole neighbourhood is withness of this and speaking words about it.
I got their invitation of the their summerBBQ tho in my mailbox.
Only not many feel comfortable me having there.
What would be the most wise decision and solution in this case??
Just asking for a friend.
That’s a bit of victim blaming, isn’t it? If the Israeli delegation or even the whole event is threatened in Malmö, Sweden and the EBU should rather keep an eye on those who make these threats instead of giving in and letting violence win over democracy, right?
“victim blaming”
The chutzpah!
I want Israel to compete, I have no qualms or quarrels with them competing. However, if their competing puts others at risk due to security concerns then that’s an entirely different scenario that should be judged accordingly. My main concern is how this is going to be judged and voted upon, I don’t want people voting for the Israeli entry just because of October 7th. I want people to vote for Israel and for all countries competing based on the package presented to us on the Stage in Malmo, not predicating it beforehand based on domestic issues, strife, tragedies etc.… Read more »
Link to Assi Azar interview (If link doesn’t work) – Assi Azar: “Israel will win Eurovision 2024, as Ukraine won”! – Eurovision News | Music | Fun (eurovisionfun.com)
As an Israeli, thank you. I don’t want political votes. Not ignoring us because of the war and not voting for us because of the war. Unfortunately, I think you and I are a minority here, as people are ready to fight for their lives against Israel in the contest, as if it’s going to help anyone… I will say though, with how good Stefania is, it did win thanks to the war, and the proof is the huge televote score. Israel will not win this year, probably, and it’s ok, I just want people to remember that hating on… Read more »
I hope a lot of people will take the approach of just ignoring their participation. There is no need to target the artist, but simply turning around during the performance and meeting it with silence would be a more powerful message than abuse or booing.
How? It will do absolutely nothing.
It will only help the haters of Israel.
Why do you childishly dismiss any criticism of Isreal as coming from “haters”?
It sends the message “You are not welcome anymore, we will not engage with you”
I’m not saying anything is hatred, I’m saying that ignoring Israel in Eurovision will only benefit the haters.
It won’t help the Palestinians, for example.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
It would send the message to Palestinians that the world is not in the mood to celebrate Isreal – and we are not ignoring their suffering. Isreal is blocking most aid to them, so how are we supposed to take any other actions?
Hundreds of trucks with humanitarin aid are entering Gaza on a daily basis, what are you talking about?
Thank you for seeing this and look after yourself whether you are in Israel or not being one is incredibly dangerous right now, look after yourself and know you are loved.
We are all human, We all deserve the same respect, Israeli, Palestinian, everyone. We all have that right to be treated fairly.
Hear, hear!
Wise words, Liam.
Thanks from Israel
„I don’t want people voting for the Israeli entry just because of October 7th.“
I totally understand that. But don’t forget … RÚV is actively aiming for such pity votes in order to win, even despite having nothing to do with the conflict.
So … there’ll be a lot of political voting going this year anyway. But I don’t think it will determine the winner.
So Palestinians can’t even participate in national finals without being accused of trying to win “pity votes”? Nice.
I disagree with that. RUV are using Bashar Murad as a shock value contestant, it’s like a gimmick to them, a really selfish, incredibly poor inappropriate taste gimmick. The Icelandic broadcaster knew of the attacks and chose Bashar to compete in Songvakeppnin 2024 to make a big drama about it. RUV knew entirely the impact this would cause and is milking it for all its worth. I hope that Hera Bjork wins it as at least we will have a queen amongst the rabble. I do feel sorry for Bashar as his ethnicity is being used as a gimmick in… Read more »
The implication is that no Palestinian can compete in Eurovision this year because they just want “pity votes” – yet I don’t see people criticising Ukrainians competing to represent Sweden or Latvia, it’s just very selective outrage.
It is.
But hey they arent the ‘Chosen Ones”………………………………………
Funny that the EBU DG is married to a Eurovision winner, who won with a hugely political song. “Bring me your peace, and my wounds, they will heal…”
I wonder if SVT / EBU will have their canned applause and cheering ready to play over the boos from the audience in Malmo
OMG! This is a great idea!! 🙂
It’s a union of broadcasters, so let’s assess the broadcaster. Do they cover events accurately and fairly, with a healthy range of opinions? Does Bibi and his cabinet get the criticism they so richly deserve?
Actual question.
Even if the broadcaster operates independently of the government (which it doesn’t) Eurovision in reality is far from being a contest for broadcasters. Eden will perform in May with the word “Israel” in the bottom left corner of every viewer’s TV screen not the word “KAN”.
Right, but public service broadcast and press reportage, investigative journalism are a crucial part of a healthy democracy… punishing KAN might only serve to HELP Bibi and his cronies?
I have seen multiple cases of KAN propagandizing. There’s a whole account in Twitter devoted to publishing such instances. Even if they are against Bibi himself that doesn’t mean they don’t actively advocate in favour of exterminating the P@lestinians
And? Do you want Israel banned from the Olympics too for the same reasons?
Yes
Understandable now that you’ve explained it. What was your position about banning Serbia in the 90s? And how about Turkey after the invasion in Cyprus in the 70s? Or Russia after the invasion in Georgia in 2008? Or in Crimea in 2014? And these are just examples from Europe. I’m just curious to hear how you think.
Okay, my full opinion and it’s a long one: There have been many cases when citizens of a country have been (unjustly) harmed in a worldwide level because of the actions of their governments. This goes way back, but more recent examples include the impoverishment of Germany through the treaty of Versailles after World War I that led to the rise of N@zism and the horrific sanctions imposed on Iraq during and after the Gulf War that led to millions of indirect deaths and culminated with the disgusting invasion in 2003 that was one of the first events that triggered… Read more »
Great comment!
Thank you for the reply and mostly for the fact you have arguments. I tried a longer reply but it’s awaiting approval so to keep it shorter: I agree with how bans have more risks than benefits, so there’s a contradiction in your answer. If you are aware of the risks, I don’t understand how you think that isolating Israel will actually help P@lestinians (who’ve been unhelped for decades from all sides). Or in other words if you’re against isolation and bans: why Israel and why now? And why does the “West” need to impose the sanctions? Isn’t according to… Read more »
As I said, firstly it’s a matter of having or not having double standards. If we are to consider bans as a proper way to deal with countries that engage in criminal actions then that should be the case even for our allies. In all fairness, bans from such events are a symbolic way to show we are against what’s happening. Of course I am not talking about sanctions against people, like disruption of free trade or measures that could harm them like what happened in Iraq. But cutting off military aid that’s been given mostly by the US but… Read more »
I still can’t follow your rationale completely. On your previous message you explained how isolationism propagates extremism and revancism and now you’re requesting bans for symbolic reasons? Is it just a question of ethics or a real problem? And if we agree that it’s a real problem that no ban will ever solve, why is only the West responsible? Who armed H@mas? And for what purpose? Isn’t that double standards? Or are you then gonna defend Israel after being attacked? And having said double standards who are you comparing Israel with to call out double standards in the first place?… Read more »
H@mas isn’t being armed/supported by anyone from the West but Israel is. That’s the difference. And trust me, the West is already doing the best it can to eliminate H@mas. But not to stop Israel. That’s one more instance of double standards btw. The double standards that I was talking about in my first comment of course have to do with the West’s stance against Russia. We were all keen to impose sanctions and bans on them and way more serious ones than what I am proposing for Israel but now that Israel is the problem no one from the… Read more »
H@mas is armed mostly by Ir@n. And there is an agenda. H@mas was elected by the people in G@za, ousted Abb@s in 2007, split P@lestinian Authority in 2 and they have receiving money and military support since which they are spending not to improve the quality of life of P@lestinians but to serve a very certain agenda. Nobody is occupying G@za since 2006. Ir@n and Ham@s are responsible for the people of G@za and they have huge responsibilities for what’s happening now. But I guess you know all that. Or at least you should. I do not agree with what… Read more »
Having studied the entirety of the political history of the conflict I am fully aware of all the facts you mentioned more of them. Perhaps we have reached different conclusions from the facts. My personal conclusion is that G@za has for a long time been a concentration camp. The West Bank resembles an ap@rtheid regime. Israel has occupied lands that are not theirs by any means and have caused tremendous suffering through illegal settlements. Like every national people group on earth, P@lestinians want and are entitled to be free. H@mas was created during the 1987 uprising when the Arafat leaderships… Read more »
We agree 100% on West Bank, but we have a different perception about G@za, which is not a coincidence because it’s very difficult to visit G@za and both sides have a responsibility for that. The Israeli side will say it’s self-ruled and therefore responsible for themselves, while the P@lestinian side will say that they are cut off from the rest of the world. Both are true, and it’s not only the West to blame but also the supporters of H@mas like Ir@n (who have a certain agenda and they are responsible for funding and not creating H@mas – I agree… Read more »
Of course I am also fully against antisemitism and hate towards the Jews. This has nothing to do with Jewish people as a whole, it has to do with Z!onists and the policies of the state of Israel. People who find an excuse to be antisemitic because of the Palestine situation are also fully disgusting.
I am glad that you have been to such pro-P@lestine demonstrations. Thanks again for the discussion.
One of the reasons KAN were basically forced to produce ESC 2019 from their own budget was a way of Bibi to weaken them financially. So you can imagine that the relationship between KAN and Bibi is not great for a while now
Right, thank you. Bibi hates KAN, which makes me think they are good thing. EBU being a union of broadcasters, it makes sense they should support one of their own. That’s what unions are for.
Uhhh the Russian – Israeli singer… I wonder if Ukrainians will vote for her. Hmmm ?
Well, she was just a kid living in Russia and was even an outcast there.
We got plenty of Russians and Ukrainians in Israel and they get along perfectly because we’re also Jews, and we know how to separate people from governments.
She has nothing to do with the war and Putin, come on…
lol, the only problem in your comment is that she is half ukrainian and half latvian in her roots(still as jew)..and the fact that she supports ukraine and not russia…go to sleep clueless dude
She’s not even Russian…
I’m glad we can at least comment here 🙂 We couldn’t on her announcement as the entry for Israel but this topic is ok? welp… Anyway, the EBU can explain the differences and talk about facts all day long but people are here to deny facts. Israel isn’t Russia, everything is different here, people are just full of hatred and following trends. Most of all, the cheap use of the word gen0cide is saddening, as it’s an actual horrible thing that has happened and might be happening today in the world (I admit not knowing everything that’s happening right now)… Read more »
The war is called the “Israel-Hamas War”, so fighting against Hamas is totally understandable. It’s the callous disregard for all Palestinian life that is hard to grasp.
What are you basing your claim that Israel has “callous disregard for all Palest!n!an life” on? Are you aware of Israeli attempts to get Palestinian civilians away from harm, and H@m@s’ attempts to keep them from escaping? Are you aware that H@m@s is shooting m!ssiles from designated safe zones and keeps some Israeli h0stages there, in order to get Israel to operate there? Do you believe Israel should give H@m@s impunity for using its population as human sh!elds, and just live with their threat they pose? Are you aware that approximately 25% of m!ssiles fired from G@z@ at Israel by… Read more »
Well… I didn’t solely blame Israel for the callous disregard. H a m a s most definitely share it, or lead it. It’s the dead children that get me, and I’m sure you too. The sheer scale of the numbers. It seems as if Israeli lives are deemed more important, worth saving, but innocent P alestinians are not. H amas are evil scum and may well be using them as human shields, I just struggle to comprehend how this is the ONLY way forward.
Also, to answer your question, I am somewhat aware of attempts to get civilians to safety, but also aware of the juxtaposition of that in blocking humanitarian aid. There is so much emotive footage out there, and I understand the need to protect Israelis… but it’s a lot. It can seem like every one innocent Israeli is worth a thousand innocent P alestinians. The whole thing is horrible to digest.
Lastly, I know it is very easy for me to sit back and judge from the comfort of distance and safety.
I appreciate what you wrote and I value your introspection, it’s a rare commodity, especially in comment sections.
Using math is an awful way to make moral calls. The number of casualties in either side is not an indication of morality or regard for life.
You may not know this, but Israel evacuated hundreds of thousands of Israelis from town near the southern and northern border. On the other side of the border civilians are prevented from leaving by their leadership, used as human shields.
You say “Israeli lives are deemed more important, worth saving, but innocent P alestinians are not”. This is naive and detached from reality. I really don’t understand what you’re suggesting Israel should do. Just let the t3rrorists win because they use human shields, and just allow them to grow stronger and plot the next October 7th (which they themselves declared they intend to do again and again)? Would you accept this from your government if your country was in this situation? It’s quite incredible to me that you hold Israel accountable for w4r crimes committed by H@mas – use of… Read more »
As for what you wrote about humanitarian aid, Israel is allowing all humanitarian aid to enter after being inspected by Israel to ensure no weapons are being smuggled in. The inspection is very quick and efficient, in case you were wondering. What you’re probably referring to is the families of hostages trying to block aid trucks from entering G@za, and I can’t say I blame them. As long as aid keeps coming in their chances of seeing their loved ones again are not good, and their demand to allow aid in only in return for hostages is not unreasonable. Still,… Read more »
Thank you for helping me understand.
All I’m really talking about is perception, and not necesessarily even my own. I said it can SEEM like Israeli lives are deemed more important. I accept everything you say, and hope my comments at least serve to help you understand how levels of vitriol and protest are whipped up. I see so much coming from all angles, social media, television, newspapers etc. it can be hard to know what is real and what is not, who is being fair and who is not. Even reporters from reliable sources leave out a lot of detail. At least in my experience.… Read more »
I do not hold Israel accountable for w ar crimes committed by H a m a s.
Israeli lives are deemed more important – by whom? I don’t think I got your point. We’re seeing reports from foreign countries and to us it seems like the world has gone mad. Sometimes I even fear that the west is doomed, it seems that there’s so much ethnocentrism going around that people in the west, and in some cases even leaders, have no idea what we’re up against. It’s as if narratives are more significant than facts. I pray for all our sakes they will never have to realize what it actually means to face an enemy like H@mas.… Read more »
Isreal has acted very similarly to Russia in this situation. From Russia’s perspective they are invading Ukraine to protect their own security (I don’t agree with them) given the advancement of NATO and Russia’s claims that the Ukrainian government was full of N a z i s who were a danger to Russians, so they took the opportunity to invade. Why is that so different to what Israel is doing? I also think that the country that targeted and killed Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, and has a terrible record of persecuting journalists in general, should not have been allowed… Read more »
Ukraine didn’t invade Russia and killed over 1200 people, in horrible ways, destroyes cities (or kibbutisim here) and kidanpped over 200 people, from babies to elders. Russia’s interests are to conquer more land, Israel just want to get rid of H@mas, who already said they want to commit more October 7th attacks. As for Shireen, I don’t remember the details of the case so I won’t just talk about it blindly, but we can be sure that Israel isn’t targeting journalists, and we take responsibility when we make mistakes. 3 hostages managed to escape by themselves and we accidently shot… Read more »
From Russia’s perspective, Ukraine was not treating the Russian minority in the country as equal citizens, they felt justified to invade them because of this, obviously I don’t agree, but the reasoning is not so different than Isreal. Isreal has also made it very clear they intend to keep military control of g a za after the war, how is that any different? Shireen was killed several years before October 7th – so she was not in a “war zone” at the time she was purposefully targeted and killed by the IDF, Isreal never admitted fault in this case, and… Read more »
Israel wants to keep military control because it’s going to take years to ensure the safety of Israelis near the border (and further). However, a Palestinian body of some sort should be made so they can start getting the control over the strip slowly. None of us wants to control those people. Once again, we were invaded and attacked. You might choose not to see the difference, but it’s there. As for Shireen, it’s interesting how I’m here saying I don’t quite know the details so I won’t say things for certain while you, apparently, know everything and can declare… Read more »
That’s the exact same thing Russia argues about Ukraine, that they are “securing their borders”. You’re also talking of how Israel will get to decide on when to give the territory back to them – why should we believe you ever will while you’re still encouraging settlement on the West Bank where you’ve been told not to?
Yes there is proof they shot her intentionally. And there is proof that they tried to cover it up.
If you have the proof for it, show us.
As for the territory, it’s because we gave this land to them already, in 2005, and look what we got.
This time, we should stay there and make sure they are getting hold of themselves and not trying to hurt us.
You gave them the West Bank territory you are taking back? I must have missed that.
The timeline of exactly what happened is here if you’re interested to read it https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/mar/21/the-killing-of-shireen-abu-akleh-what-one-morning-in-the-west-bank-reveals-about-the-occupation
https://theintercept.com/2022/09/20/shireen-abu-akleh-killing-israel/
Some more information here,
“A new forensic analysis proves that an Israeli sniper could see that Shireen Abu Akleh was a journalist before firing the bullet that killed her.”
Russia wasn’t even banned, they suspended their own EBU membership… people really like to forget this fact
Russia was kicked out from the ESC and then left the EBU.