Another Eurovision complete, and another set of results to analyse and scrutinise. The EBU has revealed the full break-down of all the point distributions, giving us a chance to see who the jury/televote helped and hindered.
And there’s a lot to digest! Many fans knew that this year’s contest would be one of the most unpredictable yet. But the split semi-final results reveal that there were considerable differences between the juries and televoting public throughout the contest.
The rankings below reveal the combined and split-results for semi-final two.
Eurovision 2019 semi-final two results
- Netherlands: Duncan Laurence “Arcade” (280 points)
- North Macedonia: Tamara Todevska “Proud” (239 points)
- Sweden: John Lundvik “Too Late for Love” (238 points)
- Switzerland: Luca Hänni “She Got Me” (232 points)
- Azerbaijan: Chingiz “Truth” (224 points)
- Russia: Sergey Lazarev “Scream” (217 points)
- Norway: KEiiNO “Spirit in the Sky” (210 points)
- Malta: Michela “Chameleon” (157 points)
- Albania: Jonida Maliqi “Ktheju tokës” (96 points)
- Denmark: Leonora “Love Is Forever” (94 points)
- Lithuania: Jurij Veklenko “Run with the Lions” (93 points)
- Moldova: Anna Odobescu “Stay” (85 points)
- Romania: Ester Peony “On a Sunday” (71 points)
- Croatia: Roko “The Dream” (64 points)
- Latvia: Carousel “That Night” (50 points)
- Armenia: Srbuk “Walking Out” (49 points)
- Austria: PÆNDA “Limits” (21 points)
- Ireland: Sarah McTernan “22” (16 points)
Eurovision 2019 semi-final two split results
Televote | Jury | |
1. | Norway (170 points) | North Macedonia (155 points) |
2. | Netherlands (140 points) | Sweden (150 points) |
3. | Switzerland (137 points) | Netherlands (140 points) |
4. | Russia (124 points) | Malta (107 points) |
5. | Azerbaijan (121 points) | Azerbaijan (105 points) |
6. | Sweden (88 points) | Switzerland (95 points) |
7. | North Macedonia (84 points) | Russia (93 points) |
8. | Lithuania (77 points) | Moldova (58 points) |
9. | Albania (58 points) | Denmark (53 points) |
10. | Malta (50 points) | Romania (47 points) |
11. | Denmark (41 points) | Norway (40 points) |
12. | Croatia (38 points) | Albania (48 points) |
13. | Moldova (27 points) | Latvia (37 points) |
14. | Romania (24 points) | Croatia (26 points) |
15. | Armenia (23 points) | Armenia (26 points) |
16. | Latvia (13 points) | Austria (21 points) |
17. | Ireland (3 points) | Lithuania (16 points) |
18. | Austria (0 points) | Ireland (13 points) |
Norway came out on top of the televote, but the juries didn’t even rank KEiiNO amongst its qualifiers, placing them 11th. Instead, the music professionals rowed behind North Macedonia.
However, once both constituencies were combined, the Netherlands emerged victorious, having finished second with the public and third with the juries — just like Australia in semi-final one.
The public and juries disagreed on multiple entries. If it were entirely up to the televote, Lithuania would have qualified ahead of Denmark. Meanwhile, the juries backed Moldova and Romania over Norway and Albania. In the combined scores, Denmark beat out Lithuania by a single point.
At the lower end of the scoreboard, Austria got a big fat duck egg from the public — nul points. Ireland came last with the juries and last overall.
What do you think of the rankings? Are you surprised by how the public and juries voted? Who got robbed and who was overrated? Let us know in the comments below.
Photo: EBU/Eurovision.tv
Interesting to see seven countries getting more than 200 points…
An Ikea lamp won the competition.
No, the best song in Eurovision in years! But will will off course visit IKEA and search for the lamp here in Sweden!
It’s already quite expected Norway will do bad in the jury voting. In MGP only 1 out of 10 international juries gave the highest 12 points to them, and in addition to the mess during the jury show, it’s basically over for them.
Also, juries don’t really like “ethnic” entries, especially those sent by the Nordics, as in 2018 Denmark was 20th in jury voting, but was 5th in televoting. In Melfest this year Jon Henrik also placed last in international jury voting.
Agree. Maby the juries represent record companies and artist with an other orientation. More comersial and focus on a taste that is in line with different charts? Perhaps?
If they are voting for N Macedonia then i dont’t think so…
None of those songs are ethnic though. Just because it had elements doesn’t mean it is ethnic . If you heard real ethnic music from Sami groups you would see why this travesty isn’t ethnic. It’s a fun novelty song, nothing more.
And nothing about the Danish entry last year was ethnic.
That’s why I added the “” to the ethnic word (for Eurofans it is), but this still doesn’t change my argument, as countries like Sweden sends radio-friendly entries almost every year and does well with the juries
I think we should have a juror system like in Ice skating where the jurors give points for preset qualities. Then the speculations would be less. I think they should judge1) the quality and originality of the song ( more points if it was written by the Singer her- or himself) , the vocal ability of the artist on stage, the overall artistic quality of the staging. Then it would be clear why they vote different from the public. Like Norway who is weak in no 1 and 3 strong i no 2, mahmood extremly strong in no 1 weaker… Read more »
I wonder if it’s possible to get info about how many it was that was voting from different countries?
The jury placed Norway in 11th! I truly think the jury should be retired
I am over the moon, finally after 44 years we’ve won again. I still don’t have the words to describe how happy I am and I think the best song won this year. GO DUNCAN
It shouldn’t be 50/50. The artist ain’t singing for the judges, but for the people out there. They’re trying to reach the people. Keiino even said that. I feel like the judges always hype up Sweden just because it’s Sweden. Idk, in my opinion, it should be 25/75. Let the people have more power. If you think about it, it’s all about friends. Of course, Portugal is gonna give Spain 12 points. Like you can see it from a mile away. The competition is way too political these days too. Something needs to happen. The jury needs to actually sit… Read more »
Actually if you look at the breakdown of the results the Portuguese jury never gave Spain any points, the televote gave them 12. The jury gave 12 points to Czech in the semi and 10 in the final so that was pretty consistent.
Imo 50/50 is the fairest way possible . 50/50 could prevent the huge influence of bloc voting brought by the televote while also preventing juries to vote for the same genre of songs.
The most effective way is to increase the number of jury members and the versatility of the jury members (e.g. lower the average age by adding more younger juries to represent the overall taste of different age groups in terms of music professionals since the average age of juries were relatively high in the recent years)
I think it should depend on how many that are voting I a country. I think it’s good whith a jury if there are a small group from the country that vote.
I am very surprised North Macedonia did that well with the juries. It wasn’t actually one of my favorite songs because I perceived it as a MFSS type of song (message first, song second). Well, in the end, North Macedonia got its first ever top ten placing (8th) so congrats to them.
https://youtu.be/EL0pTo9Z_XU
Listen this song, Jamie Woon Night air and you will see how Netherland is orginal song ? Arcade is just bad copy
I was just looking at the results pages for various countries and Igor Gulyaev (from Russia) gave Azerbaijan last place in the semi final and Denmark his first place – followed by Denmark coming last in his finale vote and putting Azerbaijan first? Is this another case of someone ranking their entries wrongly or is he just not taking the jury seriously? How is this fair conduct?
He got a call from putin and mr. B.
Well it’s official, voting in the ESC is completely and utterly messed up.
1) If juries think Moldova had a better song than Norway then they are seriously out-of-touch and need to go. What a disgrace.
2) The Eurovision app is a terrible idea. How many casual fans have the app or would get it? How many hardcore Eurovision fans DON’T have it? It has completely changed the voting pool for the televote and explains why songs like San Marino and Norway can do so much better than expected.
Geez despite all, would have preferred Lithuania over Denmark. Nothing against the countries, but the truth is that Nordic countries start with an advantage over some other countries. A winning song will stand out but for qualifications and other middle of the table places it makes a huge difference. Not everyone starts from the same starting line lol
They should come up with a new system for the jury voting. Each act should be judged based on the quality of the song and the vocal capabilities of the artist, without knowing which country the artist represents. I feel that the main purpose of the professional juries is overshadowed by the political voting. They are supposed to give high-quality songs the recognition they deserve, but instead loads of them seem to give their points to their neighbours, which causes (quite understandably) massive backlash from the viewers. Although the idea of judging acts blindly sounds reasonable, it would create some… Read more »
That’s impossible to achieve.
That is funny. Many countries sing in their original language, so…
Actually, a vast majority of the songs are in English (32 this year, for example)
But I don’t think an ordinary juror would know which languages they are
Can you tell Sebi is in Slovene if you do not know the language?
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Oh poor Ireland! I feel like the choreo and props for 22 were way out of Sarah’s comfort zone. I feel like they should’ve stripped things back like Hungary 2013. Still I have to commend their team for putting effort in the staging.
Man’s had his stick man, Jamala had her tree Sarah gets a couple of knickerbocker Glorys, honest to god you couldn’t make it up
Bad song+bad lyirics+bad performance+bad voice = formula to win ESC 2019
Re assuring to know that the juries and the televoters are on their own planets and anybody can win as long as they have 150 million hits on YouTube before Eurovision begins …
Big news, when you look at the average of the placings of songs from the semis this one was the strongest in the history, with the average of 8.0 (while the SF 1 from 2018 had an average of 9.8)!
Off topic but does anyone else think that although Israel’s organization was a mess, the show was spectacular? I mean they had it all, the former eurovision stars, Madonna, gal gadot. Also the hosts were great and funny. I really enjoyed the show.
Not quite. Though I don’t want Sweden to win, I must acknowledge that Sweden is really the best host in recent years.
Don’t mention Madonna.. she could have stayed at home. I hope she donated the money she got to people who needs and deserves them more.
Hosts were funny? Which planet do you live on?
Her performance was shaky, but I’m still disappointed about how the juries treated Paenda here (the televote was even worst, but we always knew the song it was maybe too understated for Eurovision). Especially when they really fell for Modova’s attempt to camouflage a weak song. At least they managed to avoid Lithuania to make to the final with the most bland entry of the whole contest. But they could also had ruined Norway’s qualification if their televote results weren’t so fantastic. So this semi shows how combined results are necessary, but also why the juries need to change.
Lithuania actually scored poorly with the jury. The only reason it ended up missing out on the final by 1 point(!) was down to the televote.
I actually said this, but I tried to say a lot in a single comment and I admit it got a little confusing. My bad! My point is that the juries did a lot of questionable choices, but stopping Lithuania from qualifying it’s a proof of how they are useful to balance things out. The problem is that they still need A LOT of improvement. There’s still too much calculated voting (not just to help friends, but also to harm enemies and strong competitors) and an exaggerated obsession with radiofriendly tracks.
I’d rather see Lithuania in the final than Estonia.
After I heard “Arcade” , “Flying on the wings of love” isnt the worst ESC song for me any more. But it is one good thing with “Arcade” , when I heard this song I can easy go to toilet not need laxative
What happened to all the people who thought Portugal barely missed the final? 12th in the televote and LAST in the juries = 15th out of 17. It wasn’t even close. How could so many people here who be out of touch?
I refuse to believe that Austria finished second to last. I refuse. That amazing delivery with great staging and song to begin with was DEAD LAST with the televote?
What is even more shocking to me is the lack of jury support. I kinda expexted a low televote for austria but the fact that ir came third to last with the juries is surprising
Crazy how N.Macedonia won the jury and I would of predicted them to rank, either 7th or 8, and Norway winning the televote, and I would of thought they would of came 5th or 6th, and the Netherlands not winning either jury or televote, is weird.
Day 1 after Eurovision ended, and I don’t know how to cope or what to until 2020 comes, Helppp
Uh no. That dated song wouldn’t even qualify. Kudos to Jonida for making it to qualify from this year’s semifinal of death.
Btw how is everyone coping with PED (post Eurovision depression)
I’m already wanting news on the 2020 contest !!
It’s at least comforting to know others feel the PED too!
I’m ok because I’m excited for another Eurovision next year in Netherlands!
But I am gonna miss Eurovision here in Israel but it’s ok, i’m happy we got to have that experience
I am glad I can experience Eurovision in my country next year. I think lots of news will come up in the coming months regarding the host city. A few cities have stated they want to organise it. I’m holding on to that news so I keep the Eurovision mood alive!
Ireland (rte) need a wake up call in their approach to Eurovision .. total amateur approach .. disgraceful waste of time and money ..
find some decent singer/songwriter who have a story and a point of view to show with their music
Completely agree—there must be good singer-songwriters in Ireland wanting an opportunity like this.
Juries really preferred the bland Moldova over Albania. Says a lot about their credibility this year.
I’m sorry but how is Albania 12th with the juries when they clearly have more points (48) than Norway (40-11th), and Romania (47-10th) ??
Its a mistake. Albania had 38 points 🙂
Albania actually has 38 points, I think it is a typo 🙂
Interesting to see that the Netherlands didn’t get a single 12 from the televote in the semi.
I personally never thought Netherlands sounded like a winning song. It seems that my feeling about this was somewhat reflected in the final results even though the song won. It did not win either the televote or jury vote in the final. And you made an interesting point about it not getting any 12 points in the semi. But the song is a worthy winner.
That’s because televoters are a certain age group and the Netherlands song appeals to another age group
While I understand that music is subjective, I can’t see any charm in Norwegian entry to own televotes all way long. I wasn’t shocked when they got placed low by juries as I was with Poland 2016 and Italy 2018.
The juries that didn’t back Norway and Albania in semi 2 are deaf as f*** and don’t know sh*t about music! The same goes to those juries who didn’t back them in the final!!
Know about music? There are thousands of genres. Music is subjective. On what basis can you objectively state one song is better than another? Music is subjective.
Lithuania and Albania were only top 10 in televote in the semi thanks to their diaspora
No need to downvote the facts lol.
Lithuania – 43 diaspora points
Albania – 36 diaspora points
Lithuania not qualifying even with that much diaspora in the semi is really telling… Monika would easily be top 5 in the semi, with both songs. Not surprised about Albania at all, Eurovision fans overrate them every year for whatever reason, same will happen next year no matter what they send. It was obvious no one but diaspora would vote for that song.
Every country has his own diaspora that vote. Some on top of that are also voted from their neighbors, like former Soviet countries, nordic countries, former Yugoslavia etc. Albania was clearly liked and voted by many viewers, because she couldn’t have made it only by diaspora. If our diaspora was that strong we would qualify every year. Our neighbors didn’t show much love as usual. In many countries Albania was 11th – 13th in the televoting in the finals.
Actually, countries like Norway and Estonia have little to no diaspora, mostly in denmark and sweden (for norway) and finland (for estonia) so shut up 🙂
Eurovision fans overrate Albania? Ok sis stop the drugs you’re using.
Not every country with diaspora communities benefit from having such. Albania had not qualified between 2013-2017. Lithuania didn’t qualify in 2017 after two successful runs. Romania recently broke its qualification streak, likewise for Hungary this year.
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Been saying this for years. I absolutely hate the bbc with a passion for many reasons. Give it to ITV , Simon Cowell or Channel four All in EBU.
You are absolutely right, that’s why I hope with some luck and some wishing, Next year the BBC are let go, and another broadcaster can represent the UK, and we can turn it around into a great result.
ITV dropped JESC after only three years. How sure are you that they would do a better job taking care of the adult contest if they discontinued taking part in the junior edition ever since?
We could’ve chosen Kerrie-Ann and had a respectable entry. We instead chose the absolutely terrible BIGGER. Don’t blame the BBC, blame the Great British public.
Blame both, tbh
And I do trust me lmaooo.
Yeah absolutely and I’m not just saying this, but I was rooting for Kerrie Anne from the beginning, because I thought she would of delivered and got a better result, but vocally they went with someone who would be the safer option, who sounded good, but the song didn’t match his vocals.
I will bet 1 million that next year if we in Sweden send a super great song in swedish with a woman: we will come 26th in the final with 0 points from the public. Im really sad to read all idiotic comments and im sad for our artist in 2020 :(. Its not fair
But you can’t really argue with a televote if people didn’t take to it in a big way so be it. You can’t make people like or vote for a song. I can’t remember the last time I heard a great sounding Swedish language song in Melodifestivalen. They are usually dreadful sounding and sung by some old duffer just there making up the numbers. Less of the slick pretty boys singing generic sounding pop and you could easily win it again with something original. Plus I think fans expect a lot more from Sweden than most countries based on Swedens… Read more »
Time to maybe send an act like Jon Henryk something more authentically Swedish
Not sure about the jury’s but yeah Fjallgren would have lapped up the televote no bother. Just make sure Norway don’t send anything sami related that year as it will split the vote.
Im never biased. I knew we would not win. i wanted Neterlands. im happy wiht 6th. But im unhappy with the hate against us and Christer Björkman. He was in hopspital and missed the final and we swedes love ESC and mello and dont deserve hate like this 🙁
Rasmus, tror tyvärr vi svenska fans delvis bidragit till att vi blivit illa omtyckta. Många har varit arroganta och uppblåsta och hånat andra länder och andra från andra kulturer med annan smak än oss. Tror att vi måste vara goda ambassadörer och lyfta fram vad vi tycker andra gör bra och kunna vara mer ödmjuka. Tror våra artister tjänar på att vi tänker oss för. Men fan vad förbannad och leden man blir ibland. Då pyser det ut även från mig ibland. Men eftersom jag är så kass på engelska blir det ofta en arg harang på svenska då ;… Read more »
Tror också det är avundsjuka. Folk är avundsjuka på att det går bra för oss och att andra länder vill ha svensk hjälp. Varför de inte blir sura på länderna som ber om svensk hjälp är en annan fråga. När ens eget land går dåligt så skyller man på andra. På nåt vis har det blivit Sveriges fel att typ Armenien eller andra inte får poäng. Då blir det lätt att man sitter där och öppet hånar när Sverige inte får poäng, trots att vi faktist fick 9 högsta av tittarna. Men det är inte viktigt liksom
Dette har ingenting med «avundsjuka» å gjøre, kjære dere. Dere svensker må rett og slett jekke dere ned noen hakk. Sangen dere sendte var rett og slett for kjedelig og polert i år, og gikk derfor ikke hjem hos folket. Juryen derimot gir Sverige høye poengsummer rett og slett fordi dere er Sverige – hvilket har resultert i et stort gap mellom jurystemmene og folkestemmene både i fjor og i år.
Denis, visst spelar avund in i vissa fall men tror inte det är en höjdare att skriva folk på näsan om det. Bättre att ignorera … när man kan om man inte exploderar… vilket ju kan hända : /
Keith Masson ->Me dream would be Jon-Henrik and Loren together! Think about the magic! Her voice, his joik
You mean not black?
Cause for sure of this song was sung by a white man you wouldn’t have said this. So pathetic that you have 10 upvotes to this post. Really sad to see how many racist people there are out there.
That is exactly the opposite of what would happen. If Sweden had the guts to send something authentic for once, like Norway this year, then maybe the televote would respect you and you could stop relying on your jury connections ????
Norway wasn’t authentic though. Just because it featured elements doesn’t make it authentic. If it truly went all authentic and Sami no one would have liked it.
What do you mean authentic? Should they include meatballs and Ikea furniture on stage with guys wearing viking helmets? Seriously, get a grip.
Besides, we’re 2019, not 1950.
Seriously… Norway first??? eew :S
After Lisa Ajax who gave top marks in their friends, another prestigious jury member, Lina Hedlund from Sweden, placed the Netherlands LAST in the semi but in the final she placed Duncan FIRST. If she was part of the Belarusian jury she would be thrown out, but she is a member of “precious Sweden” so everything is perfect
We don’t need more proof that the EBU is corrupt. When other countries play dirty, they get scolded, but when Sweden does it, they say: “Way to go, overlords”. Disgusting.
And televoters placed San Maroino 10th in the final. Yes both juries and televoters have their flaws so good they are counted together.
No
She actually made a mistake bc she put her SF scores the wrong way around, meaning her favorite in the bottom and worst in top.
Think he did diserve to win although I thought he would take the jury vote with ease and then be 2/3 in the televote, quality song but hardly the upbeat and fun /wacky kinda stuff a lot of folk tune into eurovision for on a Saturday night. But he was the only act who came top3 in both so kinda a compromise winner if u like, But seriously that show was far to long an hour interval was a bit much.
So weird that the split and final results were so extremely weird and all over the place but the 10 qualifiers were quite good and justified (but it must really suck to be Jurij Veklenko right now XD). This semi was so extremely strong that we just had to lose entries that would’ve qualified in other semi’s- but Armenia 16th (behid Roko!!!) was a crime in itself. North Macedonia second in a semi is just amazing- it’s the first time in both ESC and JESC that the country got usch a high result in a show. And of course the… Read more »
Seriously? 16th place for Armenia ?
Who designed her staging? She looked all alone on an empty stage. Huge stage little woman, where her dancers? She had too many Dancers in the video, at least two could have made a lot of different. Surprised at Armenia they usually get it right. I felt very sad for her she looked crushed when she didn’t get through. Good song and great voice. Someone let her team down badly
The person who came up with the staging needs to be fired. They wasted such a good song on a mediocre staging.
Interestingly enough Duncan wasn’t the outright favourite everybody thought he was. The odds had him out as some sort of Rybak/Euphoria type of win, a landslide win with a huge gap to the runner up. In the end it turns out the difference was 30 something points and the lowest amount of scores since format change. He wasn’t even the favourite with any of the voting groups
No shade towards Duncan though, it is a great song and a worthy winner. I thought he at least would win the tele voting..
Wouldn’t be surprised if having to perform in the first half did actually hurt him a little. It might very well have been much more of a landslide win if he’d performed in the second half.
On one hand sure, it can be a factor, but Norway won the televoting in the final performing just 3 songs later, I don´t think it made that much of a difference.
In the semi he started late and still didn’t win it. I think running order isn’t that important any-more.
Of course Moldova places higher than Romania lmao.
I am very surprised that Norway did so poorly with the juries. Their voices were perfect. I understand that it doesn’t have to be everyone’s favorite but still there were much worse entries.
Having a good voice is not enough. having a song that is not a complete recykling from Rednex is also important. By the waynThe best voice in the final was by far Sergey Lazarev.
Sergey song, Duncan song, Lucas song, Tamtas song… They all sound like many songs that have come before and its natural that the Norwegian song also sounds like something that has come before. But you have never heard a dance song with a Joik before.
Guyss it’s been a great eurovision season.. many good songs, events etc. Hope everybody had a good time as I did… But unfortunately it’s time for the Post-Eurovision deppresion to begin…
actually this year esc was quite weak.. the production was horrible.. camera work, lights, sound.. the songs were quite average..
Tell me about it. Post-Eurovision depression has started.
Gosh, I’m glad Latvia wasn’t last this year. <3
Moldova in with the juries and Lithuania in with the televote…Are you kidding??…this proves sometimes we really need combined results
i love combined results
Boo to the jury votes for Norway. But KEiiNO did get the recognition they deserved, topping the televote and coming 5th in the GF is a GREAT accomplishment !! I am surprised Lithuania got so close, surprised in a nice way for sure. I don’t dig NM’s song but I am happy it qualified because of the message. Ireland’s performance was so not ok from any point of view (my points of view. Romania,coming 10th with the jury is ok, yet, I wonder why the many romanians in countries that voted in SF2 didn’t voted for them, especially those in… Read more »
Hello people from Slovakia! Congratulations to The Netherlands and Italy! They were the best! But I have so many negative thoughts about Eurovision ! Where to start from? So Norway was 1st in the televote but juries had them in 11th place of the Semi final? Seriously? Also They give so much power to juries in order to vote to neighbours or based on political criteria. Sweden again and again was so high in juries . I am mean first place? Was a good song but not the best! Also I can’t understand why people BOO Greece and Cyprus for… Read more »
It seems like Lina was afraid of a Swedish NQ, her ranking is bananas.
WOW this is really intersting! and what a shame for EBU?! can anybody please put all this data together, or make a deep analysis of the voting to show everybody what’s going on? This really is shocking
Lina ranked all her votes backwards. The lowest points should have had the highest and so on. She messed it up and missunderstood how to do it correctly. As a Swede I’m not happy with that. It’s embarrassing to not be sure how to do it right!
Tasteless juries trying to make Moldova’s thing work, instead of rewarding great songs such as Ktheju Tokës. In this case, they wanted to ELIMINATE Albania. Horrible!
The 10 qualifiers deserved their spot in the final, Lithuania got overrated by their diaspora. Fair play here at least.