Germany revealed the six finalists for their national final show Germany 12 Points during a press conference on February 10th. And ever since then fans have been voicing their opinions, which frequently skew to the negative. Among the biggest disappointment for some fans was that, against most people’s expectations, the German band Eskimo Callboy did not make the cut. Fans soon started a petition, which, at the time of writing this post, had amassed more than 44,000 signatures. 

The band were probably the most famous of all applicants in this year’s German selection, boasting more than 400,000 subscribers on YouTube. News that they’d applied had already sent shockwaves through the fandom. It seems their exclusion from the final has sent a series of secondary tremors. 

During the Germany 12 Points press conference, Alexandra Wolfslast, the German head of delegation, revealed that the band made it to the final selection round together with 29 other acts.

However, the jury – consisting of Alexandra as well as six representatives from German radio stations – didn’t choose the four-piece in the end. On the day of the press conference, the band uploaded a sarcastic video to their YouTube channel saying they’d been rejected. It amassed more than a quarter of a million views within 24 hours.

The Change.org petition calls for NDR to let the “We Got The Moves” hitmakers compete as a seventh finalist in the national final. Among the upset fans are influencers like FreshTorge, who has over 3.5 million followers on YouTube, and HandOfBlood with over 2.3 million followers.

The author of the petition has also sent an open letter to NDR.

Writing on their official Facebook page, eurovision.de (the official web site of Germany at Eurovision) stated in the comments section that it is definitely okay to critizise the selection, but that it won’t support the petition. We should underline that eurovision.de does not have any say in the selection process in any way, though, so who knows what could happen…

The band wanted to represent Germany at this year’s Eurovision Song Contest and applied with two different songs: “Pump it”, which has over 8 million views on YouTube, and “We Got the Moves”, which has over 12 million. They describe themselves as follows: “With freshly styled mullets and moustaches, the guys put the pedal to the metal and celebrate a colorful metalcore party. This is funfair, this is cotton candy, this is roller coaster – great ride here, be there!”

Do you think the group should be added as a seventh finalist in Germany’s selection? Let us know your opinion in the comment section below!

Editor’s note: The band has previously stated that their name is not meant to offend anyone. But, as the New York Times explains, “it is considered derogatory by many who associate it with racist, non-Native colonizers who settled in the Arctic and used the term.” You can read more on the Alaska Native Language Center web site.

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9nails
9nails
4 months ago

Seems more political then fan based. Let them in!

Angy
4 months ago

And loose like every time?! We want more selection. It’s not only about EC. They give us 6 songs to vote out of 944. They told us about the diversity of genre this time. Sorry, this 6 aren’t in no way bad. But there is nothing divers about it. They are all smooth pop to hear while driving in your car. We have more in Germany than this. If they were diverse And good, nobody would say anything against it. The petition has 80.000 votes and counting. That’s not all EC fans. The statements of the delegation are lame.

Matty
Matty
4 months ago

This stupid petition didn’t change the mind of NDR. There will be no wildcard for this bunch called “Eskimo Callboy”! It doesn’t get a special treatment!

Diane
Diane
4 months ago

Uk would be giving Germany douze points if Eskimo Callboy represented. Bad move

Geale de Vries
Geale de Vries
4 months ago

Having heard the six selected songs, I must say I agree with the jury. This is just not good enough. It is never a good idea to send an artist/artists that are popular only in their own country to ESC with a mediocre song. Norway tried last year with Tix, and it didn’t work (even though that song was way better than Eskimo Callboy’s song).

Ness
Ness
4 months ago
Reply to  Geale de Vries

They aren’t only popular in their country though! They have an international fan base. I’m Aussie, I have EC merch, and I meet other fans all the time when I wear it. YouTube is completely obsessed with them.

Thomas
Thomas
4 months ago
Reply to  Geale de Vries

They are about to start a tour through Europe soon. With shows in Paris, London, Antwerp, Vienna, Prague, Krakow, Graz, Milan, Amsterdam. All the named shows are sold out. A tour in Russia and a tour in France also is scheduled. Well…

sklev
sklev
4 months ago

They can`t enter them in the finals. Because they would win the whole thing with a large margin.

esc_fl
esc_fl
4 months ago

No one remembers the last time NDR invited a seventh finalist to their national selection? I’m sorry…0 points?

Nicolas
Nicolas
4 months ago

I don’t feel hate… I just feel sorry for Germany for missing such an opportunity of a big televote appeal. But still Germany null points for that selection.

Izzy Lamb
4 months ago

To be honest, I find it really hard to sympathise, considering they have a slur in the title of their band…

SchleezyMcSqueezy
SchleezyMcSqueezy
4 months ago
Reply to  Izzy Lamb

Just for the record, they are aware of it and already talking about changing their group’s name. Even prior to the recent events.

Izzy Lamb
4 months ago

When you realise your band has a literal slur in its name, it really shouldn’t take long to change it. It should be immediate.

Izzy Lamb
4 months ago
Reply to  Izzy Lamb

Like literally, why would you enter a multinational competition about bringing peoples together when you have an offensive word in your title? Change that before you enter. Madness.

Emkay
Emkay
4 months ago
Reply to  Izzy Lamb

They have been posting videos on their youtube detailing learning why the name is offensive, rather than just changing the name to run away from the controversy and not put in any work to learn why what they did was wrong.
If they just immediately changed the name put an apology on their social media, it would look a lot less honest than what they are currently doing.

Hikaru
Hikaru
4 months ago

I really want to see Eskimo Callboy at Eurovision 2022!

Elisabeth Frenzel
Elisabeth Frenzel
4 months ago
Reply to  Hikaru

Sie hätten zumindest mal eine große Chance für Deutschland sein können.

Doma
Doma
4 months ago

With your overall political correctness you are merely focussing on minor things and ignore the rest. Like… this band is just creative, daring, energetic, fun… come on, can’t you see that?

Azaad
Azaad
4 months ago

I feel like these fans aren’t actually engaging with the national final in good faith, because Anxiety is a legitimately good song. It manages to sound like a credible piece of pop music with good lyrics about an important theme that’s not preachy. Plus, the potential for interesting staging is there.

Flochjan
Flochjan
4 months ago
Reply to  Azaad

I think “Anxiety” sounds like a Lena leftover. It’s not a bad song, but I can’t see it going anywhere at Eurovision in 2022.

Whisker
Whisker
4 months ago

How about the broadcaster generously and respectfully give their place in the Grand Final to the entry that makes it 11th in SF2?

Doma
Doma
4 months ago

It’s ridiculous to ban the band because of their name! Shall they change their name in “Inuit Loveworkers” or what do you want?? EC is great and it would have been fresh, funny, very entertaining and maybe even successful for Germany to have them performing in the ESC. But they did not even get a chance to participate in the national final.What a loss…

Karl
Karl
4 months ago
Reply to  Doma

Because it’s a racist slur. That’s why.

Doma
Doma
4 months ago
Reply to  Karl

This band is not racist at all. Eskimo has been a normal word in usage as a collective word for indigenous peoples. Many still use it without any bad intention or idea that this could be racist, But today it’s obviously enough that some people are shouting „racist“! at any occasion and that’s it. Really sad.

Brittany
4 months ago
Reply to  Doma

Eskimo kisses are very rascist don’t we all know by now

Errret
Errret
4 months ago

I’m so confused, weren’t majority of you all against them at first because of their name and now want them? Plus, you really think the German broadcaster would send someone with a controversial name?

meliris
meliris
4 months ago
Reply to  Errret

They were willing to change it, were thinking about how and made youtube vids about that process.

Last edited 4 months ago by meliris
Errret
Errret
4 months ago
Reply to  meliris

Oh ok

Whisker
Whisker
4 months ago
Reply to  meliris

Are they still willing to do it?

Emkay
Emkay
4 months ago
Reply to  Whisker

They’re literally in the process of doing it, but doing the work and educating themselves on why the name is offensive so they and their fans can have a clear understanding. Instead of just changing the name and sweeping the controversy under the rug.

Doma
Doma
4 months ago
Reply to  meliris

It won’t change a thing if they changed their name. Germany has to be presented a a certain way. This ignorance has nothing to do with diversity in the field of music that exists in Germany today.

Doma
Doma
4 months ago
Reply to  Errret

No, they would not. They are determined to present Germany in a harmless, boring, radiofriendly way. And they won’t stop.

Anita
Anita
4 months ago
Reply to  Errret

The German broadcaster has let them sing infront of a jury and compete with two songs against 24 other acts. So they invited them to Berlin!

Briekimchi
Briekimchi
4 months ago

Of course they should be in. It would’ve gotten Germany a result that wasn’t last place. “Soap” is in the selection and is the definition of a German last place song at Eurovision.
If your actual job is to put the best potential ESC songs in front of the public for a national final vote, then Germany just failed.

Hannah
Hannah
4 months ago
Reply to  Briekimchi

“”Soap” is in the selection and is the definition of a German last place song at Eurovision.”
That comment is spot on!

vogue
vogue
4 months ago

This song would make Germany reach bottom AGAIN. I’m glad that did not qualify.

Zlatko
4 months ago

The German version of Muškar?ina

Emkay
Emkay
4 months ago

Honestly I think the fans overhyped themselves on possibly seeing them and are now mad that they are out. This situation definitely isn’t new, it’s not the first petition for this type of situation that we have seen, and it probably won’t be the last.

Besides, the guys in the band seem to be doing pretty well focusing on themselves if their recent youtube videos are any indication.

Emkay
Emkay
4 months ago
Reply to  Emkay

lol seriously with the blind downvoting?

Emkay
Emkay
4 months ago
Reply to  Emkay

lol I’m a fan of these guys and I didn’t even insult them but I’m getting downvoted. This is so immature. Get over it.

Eurovision fan
Eurovision fan
4 months ago

If there was clear TOP 10 potential song they would have involved it, so obviously lack of interest for Eurovision. I heard several songs of this group and I like none.

Markus
Markus
4 months ago
Reply to  Eurovision fan

I Heard several Songs from Eurovision and i Like None. Maybe lordi was fine. But i Like Eskimo Callboy Songs.

Bella
Bella
4 months ago

Never heard of them before, but this “Pump it” song is quintessential eurotrash… Not sure how this is any better than the selected songs so far. If they end up running in the German selection (and I doubt they will anyway), hopefully they step up their game.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago

Is the song they entered with as horribly misogynist as “Pump It”?

Maybe that explains it.

Mia
Mia
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Oh look at you little snowflake

Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago

Look, I’ll be very long with this message but I hope I am clear; These petitions have in 99% of the cases helped nothing. The Germans should instead boycott the whole show in March and this is how the NDR will start losing money. All you need is unity to boycott. The problem which people also seem to ignore is also that, these promising artists that have been chosen, have been chosen out of the joke, and this is very disrespectful to them. Because when you see how NDR says PUBLICLY that they do not want to win, and also… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaiser

You can’t boycott the NDR. They’ll get their money anyway. And there will always be desperate artists that think “i can be as successful as Maneskin if i get to represent my country at Eurovision”.

But you are absolutely right. When i saw Ann-Sophie this year at “The Voice of Germany” and when she talked about the nil point at Eurovision 2015 almost destroyed her mentally i was shocked and i thought about Jamie-Lee, Levina and all the others that were just used by the NDR for cheap labour basically.

Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

I meant “boycott” as in don’t watch the show at all and don’t vote for the winner at all. They will get the money, but will they get as much if there is no exposure and support at all? Because they said that they will play the songs on radios “to appeal the young audience.” And they probably have ZERO ideas what the youth wants anyway. The best the public can do is just boycott the show and show no interest. But as I said there has to be a lot of support from all sides and not just people’s… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
Ifty
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

@euromeuro – Maneskin weren’t desperate artists thinking that “they can be successful” if they manage to be discovered at Eurovision. They had a chart topping album, were runnerups on X Factor- Italy, and won Sanremo Festivel, which is considered a badge of honor and high credential simply to be allowed to participate in. @Kaiser – Your base premise is that Germany doesn’t want to win and that these were the worst songs for several reasons. 1) This is now how the worst songs out of nearly 1000 songs sound like. They are all “fine” milktoast, and they all sound the… Read more »

Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Ifty

@iftyy, I have seen some guys here on social media claiming that they got hands of *FEW* of the snippets which were rejected by the NDR and according to them they were qualitatively much better than the ones which were chosen. I think that all of us are very curious to see which great songs have been rejected there. But my theory is also that EC might have made it to the top 30 “not to piss them off”, if you know what I mean. I think the juries might have seen that they have exposure but they told them… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
Ifty
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaiser

@Kaiser you should look at some of the shows that start with 20+ acts or just watch snippets of the Moldovan selection to see how the worst of 900+ acts MIGHT look like. Surely the 6 acts chosen were far from the best other than under very weird criteria (for example if the only thing they care about is being radio friendly and nothing else), but that’s REALLY far away from how a worst 6 out of 1000 look like. Just think about how the worst 6 songs at Eurovision look like and that’s usually after rigirous selection processes. I… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Ifty
Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Ifty

I dont think you have any idea what I mean anyway. And you should not even compare Moldova with Germany. Moldova always sends joke entries. The comparison should not be made with other countries selections but with inside. I did not say that these 6 are the worst, but if the broadcaster says they dont want to win it means they want to do bad in ESC, and how can you do bad in ESC? It’s simple, pick the worst songs. And that is why these competing artists should question that thought. As I said, I sympathize with them, but… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
Alex
Alex
4 months ago

I feel sorry for the participants of the German national final, they are completely overshadowed by this drama and some fans are very insulting to them as well.

We don’t know their criteria or age groups but i thought they would be easily selected because of the hype. Plus, their music stands out whether we like it or not.

I think their song would bring a lot of interest (high viewing rates in DE and ofc a good televoting result).

esc1234
esc1234
4 months ago
Reply to  Alex

But NDR doesnt want public interest clearly

Last edited 4 months ago by esc1234
riley
riley
4 months ago

No matter how good they are, sending a band with a slur in their name to Eurovision would be a terrible idea

Ell
Ell
4 months ago
Reply to  riley

Yes, but you know what, i found out that the word eskimo is offensive when I turned out that the eskimo callboy wanted to change it. They founded their band 10 years ago. The times were different. Besides, I’m from Poland and my child has a puzzle and there is a man signed eskimo. I don’t know where you are from, but in this part of Europe, knowledge of the word eskimo is not common. You can see on their you tube channel film about this topic. I think if EC went to Italy, they would change the name

Ifty
4 months ago
Reply to  riley

Pretty sure that Eskimo is a brand name for Ice Pops by a German Unilever subsidiary or something and that that’s what the name means (Ice-pop selling callboy). It makes a lot more sense considering the music and brand they actually produce instead of being related in any way shape or form to a sexual referance to Inuit people in North-America… and it produced 0 issues in their hype so far. Also, it means that assuming that they are racist because you think it’s a racial slur is about the same as believing that the Japanese are Nazis because they… Read more »

Alex
Alex
4 months ago
Reply to  Ifty

The Buddhist sign is distiguishable from the Swastika clearly from not only being mirrored but also straight instead of skewed… Incomparable.

Izzy Lamb
4 months ago
Reply to  Ifty

Regardless of where the pulled the term from, I don’t think anyone should be surprised that some people are upset over the name. Unless you know that specific brand (which arguably shouldn’t have used the term either?!), people are obviously going to have a reaction to seeing the word.

Also – that example about the swastika literally isn’t valid, because the Germans took that symbol FROM Eurasian cultures. Buddhists and Hindus are allowed to reclaim it. Whereas no one needs to reclaim a word like “eskimo” – it’s literally just a slur.

Izzy Lamb
4 months ago
Reply to  riley

Exactly!! Especially coming from modern day Germany – of course they want to distance themselves from slurs. They should have changed the band name BEFORE they entered a competition about celebrating cultures!

Max
Max
4 months ago

This selection show is a disaster already. It is a waste of time and money. The responsiblity for the selection process needs to be taken away from NDR as soon as possible.

Im so fab
Im so fab
4 months ago

I’m happy German fans still care about Eurovision, even after many bad results. The exact opposite of UK.

euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago
Reply to  Im so fab

Thats because Germany also had successful Eurovision entries in the last 10 years. Lena won in 2010 and brought the competetion to Düsseldorf. There she came 10th. One year later Roman Lob came 8th. Then Cascada represented us – she didn’t do well but the fact that she went to Eurovision was a big deal. And in 2018 we somehow ended up 4th with Michael Schulte. People really love the show here and we know that Germany has so much potential and there are established artists that could give as another good result. It’s just the broadcaster who kills this… Read more »

Pearli
Pearli
4 months ago

Don’t get why these people still play safe when Germany have been at the bottom almost every year. Haven’t they heard what people want throughout the years? Go brave or go home. Those songs they have selected will never do well with the televote and that’s a fact.

Ifty
4 months ago
Reply to  Pearli

Do you think their choice last year was playing it safe?

ete sech
ete sech
4 months ago
Reply to  Pearli

It’s deliberate, they don’t want Germany to win. But still they could send something better at least :/

Ravencrow Neversmiles
Ravencrow Neversmiles
4 months ago

I was disappointed too that they didn’t get to take part in the NF. They could have been the televote winners this year. Even though I would like to see Eskimo callboy in Eurovision it’s probably too late to add them to the lineup. I hope they are still interested to be in Eurovision next year and that the broadcaster comes to their senses and chooses them after seeing how much people want them.

euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago

As a German Eurovision fan, I can only say the following: We all know that in our country we actually have a lot of musical talent. We have a lot of artists who would do anything to take part in Eurovision or the preselection show. But in Germany, Eurovision and the actual music industry, artists and songwriters are completely disconnected from each other. It’s not like Ukraine, Sweden, Italy or Greece where the TV channels, labels, artists are really working towards the best result. Eurovision is treated just like any other music show that runs once a year and that… Read more »

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

Thanks for everything, you couldn’t have said it any better.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Nils

You really think pro-Europe politics has anything to do with it?

Some people really do blame the EU for everything, even this.

euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Nope that’s not what i’m trying to say. There are many people that suggested that Germany should just withdraw from Eurovision if they don’t take it seriously or if they don’t want to win. But that would be a problem for NDR because Eurovision is a show that thankfully unites Europe every year. A german withdraw from Eurovision would create a lot of questions. Thats why NDR tries to take part by sending mediocre songs that won’t win so the broadcaster won’t have to host it.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

Sorry for misunderstanding. I still don’t believe that any more than I believe your anti-hetero woke theory from yesterday. It could be that the people responsible just aren’t that interested and not up to the job.

Ifty
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Do you have it in more rude? Not sure if you’re being rude enough. Can still go further.

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

‘The public broadcaster is just corrupt und won’t really answer anything. They will continue to send mediocre bullsh*t and that’s why more and more people are losing interest in it. It’s all in the interest of the public broadcaster. The fans are completely irrelevant to the NDR.’ Please, everyone on here, help us and the quality of the ESC in general and sign this petition. I’m neither a metalhead, nor a fan of the band. But it’s no longer just about Eskimo Callboy, but the greater cause. We demand to finally be heard. We demand for a real variety of… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Nils
Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Nils

You dont need petitions. They will change nothing. All you need is action. Boycott the show in March and see what happens.

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaiser

I’ll definitely do for the first in 22 years If NDR really chooses to ignore the petition. Unfortunately, it looks like they’ll do just that.

ete sech
ete sech
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

Thanks for putting us into context, buddy! 🙂

Ana Karenina
Ana Karenina
4 months ago

Good on NDR for not giving the green light to a band with such a racist name.

This is most likely the reason they didn’t make the cut, and I applaud the broadcaster for it.

who carss
who carss
4 months ago
Reply to  Ana Karenina

The band is chaining their name. they are taking into consideration that their name offends people, and they didnt know it was a racist name.

Kosey
Kosey
4 months ago

So this year’s theme of the few deciding what the masses deserve to hear continues……

Juries will eventually destroy Eurovision.

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Kosey

They’ll need those juries for those German NFs. Pretty soon nobody will bother picking up their phones because there’s nothing worth voting for.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Kosey

Juries saved the contest. The all-televote 2000s is what nearly destroyed it.

Kosey
Kosey
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

It’ll go full circle soon enough

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Kosey

I think both of you are right. At first, it helped. But now it hurts. We see televoters do vote for quality sometimes. Italy, Ukraine and France as top 3 last year was impeccable. Juries have arguably become less impeccable, imo

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

Top 4 with Finland! The televoters were on fire!

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

The juries stopped Philipp Kirkorov from winning in 2016, I don’t want them going anywhere.

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

well maybe if he did win that one time, he would leave us alone now. Ofc I also don’t want Captain Kirk to win but I wasn’t crazy about Jamala winning either. Armenia was the closest thing to a winner for me. Neither televoters, nor juries did a good job that year, as far as I am concerned.

Briekimchi
Briekimchi
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

They also gave us “Heroes” over “Grande Amore” so don’t pull at that thread too hard.

Last edited 4 months ago by Briekimchi
Jake
Jake
4 months ago

I am guessing that the songs were voted on by just listening to the tracks and the jury did not have context of who the artists were. Which is why you get generic choices as “safer” songs don’t get downvoted by being polarizing.

Angy
4 months ago
Reply to  Jake

There was(in case of the German jury) an audition of the best 30 acts. EC were there but they didn’t choose them, cause they aren’t playable in Radio

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  Jake

Nope, they had to perform in front of the jury. It really all just comes down to ‘But they don’t fit to our radio stations’, although there’s no correlation whatsoever between radio airplay and success at the ESC.

Philip Holmgren
Philip Holmgren
4 months ago

Even if I didn’t like their songs that much, the thing that really upset me about Germany this year is how they seem to have been doing a “U.K. National Final”, and only picked 6 “Safe Entries” as their finalists. Out of the 6 songs they almost to me feel like they could be part of one album for the same artist, with very little seperating them all. I wouldn’t be surprised if Germany ends up Second To Last this year also, since for many years now they really doesn’t seem willing to take any risks. (And I did actually… Read more »

meri
meri
4 months ago

I am shocked by the fact that they were not selected!! Both of their songs (especially “We got the moves”) are very good and deserve to take part in Eurovision 2022!!!

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago

My theory is that NDR just couldn’t take this band seriously, and were afraid of making the same mistake as they did with Jendrik. I don’t believe they are deliberately sending a bad song to avoid winning.

Antonio G
Antonio G
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Well, I think they should know that EC are such a popular band.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Antonio G

Another theory is that maybe the jury just found them to be a horrible band, with horrible lyrics, and didn’t care how popular they were.

Kieran
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Or the jury is crap at their job and should be fired

Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Antonio G

Nah I disagree. When you check who were in the jury panel you’d see that it was mostly old people who pretend to know everything about what the youth listens. And from what I have heard, EC have had some controversial, explicit lyrics plus add to that the supposedly “racist” band name. Perhaps that is why the jury refused them, HOWEVER, I am pretty sure that is not entirely a reason when you see how many submissions there have been. As a young man who has listened and still listens to a lot of German artists this is the first… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Kaiser

Old people don’t need to care what young people listen to. Their own opinions are just as important and just as valid. The contest is for everybody.

Kaiser
Kaiser
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Of course but the purpose of this whole so called selection was to appeal the youth right?! At least that’s what the head of the German delegation said a while ago. So I am saying it is very obvious that the bunch in jury just have no idea what the youth listens. If they rejected EC because of their controversies, fine, but their reasoning to do so would have seemed more genuine and ‘understandable’ if they had chosen other acts that could have been like 100x better than the current acts and if there was diversity in the songs (rock,… Read more »

Last edited 4 months ago by Kaiser
Voilà monsieur
Voilà monsieur
4 months ago

It’s hard to believe that a country with one of the largest music exports in the world can resort to such average and inoffensive songs. I can’t see any of the songs in their NF getting above 20th place.

NDR seriously needs to get their act together!

Last edited 4 months ago by Voilà monsieur
euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago

Let me tell you one thing: These kind of songs don’t represent the actual german music industry at all. The broadcaster just doesn’t want a german win. Because winning means hosting it and hosting it means spending money. But this money is already planned for other shows. Germany is not like Sweden where the local music industry has close links to Eurovision. In Germany Eurovision is treated like a joke – but on purpose.

HarpyDarper
HarpyDarper
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

But surely a big country like Germany can afford to host? And hosting a contest is very lucrative and profitable?

Do the German public see it as a joke? Are they not suprised about getting two 0 points in a row (televoting wise)

euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago
Reply to  HarpyDarper

In order to answer this question well, I would now have to explain to you how the German media and, above all, our public television works. Of course, Germany could host Eurovison. Our public broadcaster has an unbelievable amount of money. They could build a stage out of gold, but they just don’t want to because they don’t care about hosting Eurovision. They just want to put the money into some boring movie-productions and tv shows only people older than 50 actually watch. Besides that in german public television there is no innovation, no ideas, no departure and no thinking… Read more »

HarpyDarper
HarpyDarper
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

That’s what seems to be the case with the BBC too- it’s relatively cheap and simple to enter ESC, so why bother too hard?

Joseph Mendy
Joseph Mendy
4 months ago
Reply to  HarpyDarper

I was gonna say the same thing about the BBC, though I do think most of their focus is on daytime programmes as well as the likes of EastEnders & Strictly Come Dancing.

UK media hasn’t helped either in terms of promoting Eurovision.

Antonio G
Antonio G
4 months ago

YES, they should be. Period.

Lolek
Lolek
4 months ago

I was VERY surprised to hear that they weren’t selected. I would very much like to hear the rationale as to why they weren’t included in the lineup. Im truthfully not being snide when I ask this, but is it possible NDR doesn’t want to run the risk of having to host Eurovision next year for some reason? I would think that EC Cowboy would have a very real chance of winning…

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  Lolek

Yep, you’ve nailed it. Frank Beckmann, program director at NDR even ‘jokingly’ confirmed that in an interview in October.

Zisk
Zisk
4 months ago

Surely if you put the effort to put a national final on TV, you put in the effort to pick the biggest acts that will put on the best songs and get the most people watching? Isn’t that the point of television? I can’t understand why they were snubbed with a bigger fanbase than probably all other 900 artists who applied combined.

Sasha
Sasha
4 months ago

I cant Even

Ignonito
Ignonito
4 months ago

Do a sisters thing Germeny but with Ekimo Callboy

Fabio
Fabio
4 months ago

No matter what, “Pump It” sucks. I’m glad it didn’t make the line up.

Kieran
4 months ago
Reply to  Fabio

You’re literally the only person in the world that thinks that. Get a therapist.

Frisian esc
Frisian esc
4 months ago

It’s hard to imagine that the best Germany (population 83 million) could come up with was a song about soap and ‘hallo Welt’.

I’ve got a feeling NDR will give in to the pressure and let them compete. When you think of it they really do mess it up almost every year. The ann sophie accident. S!sters last minute inclusion, that time they picked xavier naidoo and then had to drop him for racist and ignorant statements.

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JJK
JJK
4 months ago

It just seems so stupid to only include radio station representatives to the jury. The current selection makes it clear why that’s a problem. The entry for Germany should represent the music taste of Germany and since the uproar is so big, NDR should listen to us I would say.

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Aria
Aria
4 months ago

Germany is deliberately being the worst, right? Last year a bad joke, this year a joke NF, the people in charge can’t possibly be that stupid. This is actively wanting to fail, isn’t it? I don’t really get it though. I remember Germany being eager to host and also talk about Germany hosting in case Australia wins. Truthfully, Germany was good for 3 years only. 2010-2012. By now, it’s like those years never happened. I thought new people are in charge and that Schreiber guy was the problem. But he always seemed to want to do well, just too dumb… Read more »

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

Seriously though, if anyone knows more than the obvious assumptions, do share.

euromeuro
euromeuro
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

Eurovision has a completely different status in Germany than in other countries like Sweden or Ukraine. The interest is not nearly as great as in other countries. The success of 2010-2012 can be explained by the fact that NDR (or ARD), together with the private broadcaster Pro7 and Stefan Raab, started a new selection process back then. There, for the first time in German ESC history, the right artists with the right songs were carefully sought. Lena was discovered in 2010 and Roman Lob in 2012.. At some point, however, this was too time-consuming and expensive for those responsible. In… Read more »

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  euromeuro

Indeed, the public broadcaster is a corrupt 24/7 sh i t show.

Jonas
Jonas
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

I think “evil” might be a bit strong.

Aria
Aria
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

probably, I couldn’t think of a proper word. As it goes beyond incompetence. It has to. A country of over 80 million and they picked Jendrik. And the NF title Germany 12 points is just cynical. What’s a word between incompetent and evil?

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  Aria

It couldn’t even be more cynical. Four out of the last six German acts failed to get 12 points in total. I mean … can you believe it?

And of course that’s not just bad luck.

Kieran
4 months ago
Reply to  Jonas

Have you seen the songs they’re sending instead

Karl
Karl
4 months ago

I don’t care if their music is good or not. I haven’t bothered to listen to them. I just don’t want an act with a blatantly racist name in Eurovision. Downvote all want, but it would fly in the face of the spirit of inclusivity and togetherness of the contest. Imagine having a band with the n-word in their name. It’s not acceptable and neither should it be to have this band with this name in the contest. It would be okay if they change their name, like how the Dixie Chicks became The Chicks, and Lady Antebellum became Lady… Read more »

JJK
JJK
4 months ago
Reply to  Karl

I feel like you should look into the topic before writing half an essay. Eskimo Callboy said that the will be changing their name. Back when they decided to choose that name there was no bad intention but they soon realised that a new name would be suitable.

Karl
Karl
4 months ago
Reply to  JJK

Fantastic! I would support them going to Eurovision under a new name.

Why haven’t they changed their name already, regardless of whether they’re going to Eurovision or not?

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Ellie
Ellie
4 months ago
Reply to  JJK

Keep looking into the topic. There is a whole lot more that was wrong with them than just their name. They are a book accurately reflected by its cover. Their lyrics to Is Anyone Up?, which is the name of a revenge p-rn site they were affiliated with, didn’t bother them until Eurovision crowned a rock band and EC saw an avenue for themselves. And there’s much more.

Germany produces far better music than what was selected, but neither should this band have been chosen.

JJK
JJK
4 months ago
Reply to  Ellie

Well I thought we were talking about their name but if you want to talk about controversies we can do that too I guess. They are aware of what they have done in the past. They were asked about it in interviews and they have repeatedly apologised for provoking lyrics and their name, there is even an Instagram post about it: https://www.instagram.com/p/CXy5Si6LjQj/ Show me the one who is within sin. Just because they sing about something (or in your case, sung about something 10 (!) years ago) doesn’t mean that they advocate it. Being purposely controversial isn’t something new here… Read more »

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Ellie
Ellie
4 months ago
Reply to  JJK

You cannot say this creates discussion and helps society to evolve while also calling this unneeded drama so as not to discuss it. Do you think if they went to Eurovision it wouldn’t blow up even more? They still sang that song (a song not about a vague “something” but about s-xual videos taken/uploaded without the victim’s consent and for which the site’s owner was sent to prison) on their last tour just before the pandemic. They were educated about their band name multiple times over the last few years, especially in 2020, and have only defended it. I haven’t… Read more »

JJK
JJK
4 months ago
Reply to  Ellie

This right now doesn’t create help in the evolution of society since the sole purpose of your comments are ‘They sang about that and that makes them bad!’. Rammstein (I’m not really trying to put them and Rammstein on one level, but the genre is somewhat similar and the topic is fitting) sang about much much worse things. It’s not about what they sing but rather about what they mean and what message they want to spread. I’m not sure where you are from, but this exact discussion was held about one and a half decade ago about Rammstein. There… Read more »

Ellie
Ellie
4 months ago
Reply to  JJK

The purpose of my comments is to request that Eurovision and Eurofans not give this band a platform. I am making no comment on preventing the spread of their songs in general. They can make their music under whatever name they want and with whatever lyrics they want and bear the criticism they will warrant, but going in front of 180 million+ people representing Germany in what is meant to be a contest that promotes inclusivity and tolerance is an entirely different matter. You and I both know Rammstein is not an apt comparison. EC is a party band that… Read more »

JJK
JJK
4 months ago
Reply to  Ellie

I feel like you analyse their songs but not the person behind. There were several interviews (even before they considered to enter Eurovision!) about this topic. They have removed these songs from their playlists and they apologised several times for making bad jokes – they wanted to adapt a gangster image in the past and realised that these things are not really ok (compared to the rap scene where it’s totally fine) and are now officially distancing themselves from their past. Talking about something from over a decade ago as if it was done recently is just stupid, I’m sorry.… Read more »

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Pearli
Pearli
4 months ago
Reply to  Karl

This is Europe not USA, sis. They don’t have many politically correct leftists trying to justify everything. Just calm down.

John Smiles
John Smiles
4 months ago

it would be such a waste to not let them in the selection for real.

Jack
Jack
4 months ago

They deserved to be in the line up but at this point I think let them choose whatever, somebody needs to come last and NDR deserves it

Nils
Nils
4 months ago
Reply to  Jack

The problem is, last places don’t even bother NDR. They rather seem to love them.