Remember the drama over Belarus and its Eurovision jury being dismissed? Well that incident continues to impact Eurovision 2019.
This afternoon the EBU was forced to issue a statement after learning that “human error” led it to use the incorrect aggregated result. This did not impact televoting, nor did it impact the overall winner and Top 4 songs. However, after that things do get a bit trickier.
Among other things, North Macedonia‘s Tamara Todevska won the jury vote over Sweden‘s John Lundvik. But the Swede had a bit of good news of his own. Under the revised results, he passed Norway to take fifth place overall.
Here is their statement in full.
“The Belarusian jury was dismissed following the reveal of their votes from the first Semi-Final which is contrary to the rules of the Eurovision Song Contest. In order to comply with the Contest’s voting regulations, the EBU worked with its voting partner digame to create a substitute aggregated result (calculated based on the results of other countries with similar voting records), which was approved by voting monitor Ernst & Young, to determine the Belarusian jury votes for the Grand Final.”
“The EBU can confirm, following standard review practices, we have discovered that due to a human error an incorrect aggregated result was used. This had no impact on the calculation of points derived from televoting across the 41 participating countries and the overall winner and Top 4 songs of the Contest remain unchanged.”
“To respect both the artists and EBU Members which took part, we wish to correct the final results in accordance with the rules. The correct jury points have now been added to the scoreboard and the revised totals for each participating broadcaster, and their country, have been published on eurovision.tv.”
“The EBU and its partners digame and Ernst & Young deeply regret that this error was not identified earlier and will review the processes and controls in place to prevent this from happening again.”
Long story short, Belarus’ jury points were incorrect, meaning that ten countries received points that they shouldn’t have, while ten others did not receive points that they should have. Rather than earning 12 points Israel actually earned zero. Rather than earning zero points, Malta, actually earned 12. You can see the changes below. It also means that North Macedonia won the jury vote.
This impacts rank ordinals as well. Norway drops to sixth position, while Sweden climbs to fifth. North Macedonia moves from eight position to seventh position. San Marino moves from 20th to 19th. Cyprus climbs two spots to 13th and more…
Corrected Eurovision 2019 Grand Final Results
- Netherlands (498 points) / +6 points
- Italy (472 points) / +7 points
- Russia (370 points) / +1 point
- Switzerland (364 points) / +4 points
- Sweden (334 points) / +2 points / +1 place
- Norway (331 points) / -7 points / -1 place
- North Macedonia (305 points) / +10 points / +1 place
- Azerbaijan (302 points) / + 5 points / -1 place
- Australia (284 points) / -1 point
- Iceland (232 points) / – 2 points
- Czech Republic (157 points)
- Denmark (120 points)
- Cyprus (109 points) / + 8 points / +2 places
- Malta (107 points) / + 12 points /+2 places
- Slovenia (105 points) / -2 places
- France (105 points) / -2 places
- Albania (90 points) / +1 place
- Serbia (89 points) / -3 points / -1 place
- San Marino (77 points) / – 4 points / +1 place
- Estonia (76 points) / -10 points / -1 place
- Greece (74 points) / +3 points
- Spain (54 points) / -6 points
- Israel (35 points) / – 12 points
- Belarus (31 points) / +1 place
- Germany (24 points) / -8 points / -1 place
- United Kingdom (11 points) / -5 points
What do you make of all this drama? Is this on par with Steve Harvey crowning Miss Colombia as Miss Universe? Let us know down below!
I wonder how they’ll get round this in the DVD? They won’t be able to cut and paste like they did last year with SuRie’s performance.
Hi Ebu welcome to Tel Aviv so I have very uncomfortable question to you, Belarus points are fake?
Ebu; Fake of course
Jamala: Ok..
LMAO. Verka and this Jamala mem are the best (and only) Ukrainian pieces in ESC.. With best wishes, from Lviv
Anyone who noticed Jon Ola Sand was not as clear this year as he use too. Ordinarily he says stuff like “I confirm that everything has gone according to procedures…” or likewise. I guess they wanted to change the appeal of what he says. But it’s ironically not everything was done alright the very same year.
He always scares me. He seems to struggle with saying just a few sentences. He only has to say them three times and they are practically all the same. We have a valid vote from the juries and now it’s time to take it away. He still stutters and messes up these few words. Has the guy had a charisma removal.
what’s the situation with the bookmakers? I had Norway to end up as top Skandi country and by Sunday morning I had won my bet. Now they are 6th, a place behind Sweden. No-one is asking for their money back! But if I had backed Sweden, then I would have won. Will Swedish backers get their money?
it seems like they are taking into account the results of the night
I backed Sweden for top 5, bookies are refusing to pay me.
DID NOT WIN!!!!! JEALOUSY, JEALOUSY!!!
Did not win the jury vote and what stinks (with a “k” honey) is your troll infantile and supramacist atitude. You are a racists and you should be institutionalised for being a menace to society and for giving your country a bad name.
Thank you for giving evidence on my point of you being a menace to society
Hanna! Tror vi ska hålla låg profil och inte skapa mer irritation inom ESC så fansen tycker vi är dryga och sedan blir de anti gentemot vår a artister … och låter bli att rösta,,. igen nästa är – bara för det är Sverige. ; )
Men…. tjohooo, Kul
Malin jag tror det är samma person som ibland kallar sig Eric och lite annat. Ett troll som är ute efter att skapa dålig stämning.
He or she also uses to alias Davve and can be very nasty at times
From what I see here, Norway ended up 1st in televote and 18th with jury??? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! This is all so fishy omg!
When will Faroe islands join the competition ?Or Canada ?
Next time, get your calculators out and follow the scores as they are announced. It is as simple as this: (1) Start with 58 points (12+10+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1). Multiply that by twice the number of countries in the contest. There were 4,756 points available (2,378 jury + 2,378 televote). With the jury roll-call done, you have only the televote scores to be revealed. (2) Listen for the scores and subtract as they go along. In the original announcement, it was all over when the Dutch got their televote score (261), because there were 151 points remaining; not enough for either N. Macedonia… Read more »
Perfectly right CookyMonzta, which is why I don’t like this type of vote presentation. Okay, we have to be a little obsessive to do all those subtractions (although some of us can do them in our head), but it should not be possible to work out what will happen. The contest shouldn’t pretend that countries might still win when we go past the point of arthitmetical possibility. That is patronising and fake. One day we’ll have a Tamara or John who will already know the results by the time the cameras are trained on him, regardless of what the presenters… Read more »
So, with Israel getting no points from the jury and Germany getting none from the public, it is fair (although dire) to say that it IS possible for a contender to come to the contest with a song and performance that no one agrees with, and end up getting zeroes across the board (jury AND televote), which has never happened. With the scores recalculated, what would the scorecard look like now, if the procedure from 2009 to 2015 were used? Before the recalculation, the Netherlands had 299 and the U.K. zero. With 6 points added to its score (now 498),… Read more »
So My question is:How can the Jury from Montenegro give 12 points to Greece in the semi(places 1,2,1,6,2 in each juror) and ZERO in the final with the same jurors putting them in places 25,7,25,26,25?? IT JUST SHOWS HOW FAKE THE JURIES ARE..
To be fair, most songs from SF1 did very badly: in the final top 10 songs, only 2 come from SF1 (Australia and Iceland). The rest were all SF2 and Italy.
So it’s entirely possible that a song does well in SF1 but drops out of the top 10 once all the songs are factored in.
From first to last?
North Macedonia ending high up was political: it was to reward Macedonia for changing its name to North Macedonia to remove Greek’s objection and therefore help draw it into NATO. The people of Macedonia boycotted the vote: the majority did not want the name change and the Prespa agreement and all it entailed. Also the juries are the most corrupt: 5 people having 50% of the vote is too much power/sway in the hands of too few. It is 10% of the vote per each member. Meanwhile the 10s or hundreds of thousands of individuals get closer to only 0.001%… Read more »
That’s ridiculously far-fetched.
My country’s name, Republic of Macedonia, is not changed, although there was an attempt to do so. However, I agree with the rest of your comment, not that Tamara wasn’t the best Icelandic vocalist and performer ever.
As for Macedonia, we had for example Kaliopi, an extraordinary vocalist, as everybody confirms, but she finished only thirteenth or fourteenth, I’m not sure, because at that time there wasn’t a criminal attempt to change our Constitutional name. In 2012 people respected our Constitutional name, although Eurovision didn’t.
stop being pathetic, IT IS CHANGED. FACTS ARE FACTS.
Oh well, if the facts are criminal, everybody knows where the perpetrators of crime should end up.
You have tried to join UN and EU a few times using the name ‘Macedonia’ and you were rejected. You cannot use a name officially when it is already a region in another country. I have followed this topic since last year and I do get what you mean by ‘the name hasn’t really changed’. It was in the news in various countries how the referendum happened etc. Since the people in both countries don’t want the deal, it is doomed to fail from the beginning.
Dont be ridiculous. Greece has No saying on macedonia.
However, you cannot possibly relate yourselves to Greece’s history and claim a bit of it as your own. It’s just ridiculous! Classical scholars from universities around the world are proving you wrong all the time. Even the Pope told you so in his recent visit to your country. You must try to create your own unique identity and stop trying to forge thousands of years of history.
If what you say were true, you wouldn’t be that bothered by the mere existence of Macedonia, You want to steal our name, not vice versa.
I’ll give you a mulligan on only one point: Maybe they need to have 10 jurors for every country.
I would make one additional proposal in this matter: Drop the high and the low, and take the middle 8 placings; or better yet, 6 if you drop 2 of the highest and 2 of the lowest placings.
I agree…perhaps there should be more judges. Even change every couple of years to keep them ‘fresh’. Considering there are 40+ countries participating….
Sorry but, except for Greece and North Macedonia, who cares about the name change? Also, then all the Russian jurors who voted for North Macedonia are supporting its accession to NATO? And how is a song relevant for a military alliance like NATO?
Look man, I’m already not sure what you conspiracy theorists are all smoking, but you also really need to brush up on current geopolitics… Your theory makes no sense at all, not even a little.
Eurovision is politikovison..
Jojo… Well most of my swedish friends that listen to the songs first time on the grand final wrote all good things on fb about North Macedonia. I dout that most knew about the change of the name. They liked tha song and so do I. I did’t vote for it because Arcade was ny nr 1 and Italy my nr two.. The song deserve high points from the jury in my opinion aswell as Sweden in my opinion – but I can see why North Macedonia and Sweden wasn’t the favourite among the public.
“it was to reward Macedonia for changing its name to North Macedonia to remove Greek’s objection and therefore help draw it into NATO”
Jojo, do you really think that was in the minds of the juries and televoters who voted for “Proud”?
So for the first time in 64 years, with all those web systems and “validations” going on, the wrong results were presented to 200 million people, the wrong jury winner was crowned (oh sweden, what a surprise) and the main focus of the comments on this website are trolls being happy for sweden being in top5, and trolls from north macedonia who tries to convince others that the name of their country (that their parliament agreed and also the referendum), is not their name. Keep ug guys, ebu is so happy that no one is focusing on its most suspicious… Read more »
If I had a dollar every time “Rasmus” “Eric” and “Martina” got downvoted I would be rich. Dont be bothered by them
Somebody mentioned me.
I think Putin should hire som swedes for his troll farms in St Petersburg.
Ivsnov I think they are from such a farm.,not Rasmus but the other two. They are not swedes.
Well, I don;t care for Putin, I don’t care for Trump. I care only for the R. Macedonia because they are accomplices in the crime.
As many other comments says, it’s not the first time that the wrong results were presented and that the EBU corrected them after the show – for instance, it occurred in 1997. I know this issue really is a shame and changes should be made so that doesn’t happen again, but don’t dramatize it even more…
I don’t understand how it is possible for the Greeks to know more about our name, referendum, parliament, history, than ourselves, that is, than the Macedonians themselves. The fact that not even one of us is fascinated with the amazing Icelandic female vocalist who sang for the country north of Macedonia, shows that injustice was done to Macedonia bigger than the missing Icelandic lady’s spotlight.
They’re all fake anyway, so the new set of points are just as invalid as Saturday night’s ones. There is no moral outrage to be had here…the ones I would be interested in knowing are how Belarus actually would have voted. Y’know, actual human people.
North Macedonia song is the most overrated pathetic crap ever.
Wow.. Well get over it lol
What if Sweden win the jury vote in 2020? It’s not a big if, they’re bound to have a quality entry. But after Benjamin and John, we all know what’s likely to happen at the end of the televote reveal.
This is why the jury vote is still important. The televoting public seem to have a bias against Sweden – diehard fans who don’t want to see Sweden host again so don’t vote for them – but quality entries should be rewarded.
I don’t think Sweden “only” came 9th in the televote because fans didn’t vote so they wouldn’t win. A lot of them just preferred other songs. And sometimes they’ve done better with the televote, like in 2010 when the juries cost them their place in the final.
Sure, I’m just saying that a large portion of the televoters are not your average viewer, they are diehard fanatics – if you read some of the comments about Sweden here, it seems that they are not in a hurry for Sweden to win again. I’m just speculating that this may a be one of the causes of their “low” televote score over the last couple of years.
The people on here are the minority. And I admit to feeling annoyed at first when the juries rated Sweden in the top again, though this year’s song was definitely heaps better than last year’s. So, sorry about that. Maybe if the jury and televote scores weren’t presented separately, it wouldn’t be such an issue. I still don’t think it affects how people vote or if it does, the effect is negligible.
You may be right, like I said, it’s just a theory. The discrepancy between jury and televote two years in a row is a little bizarre, though…
you’re joking, right ? the general public couldn’t care less bout how ‘overrated’ sweden can be, they have no idea. diehard eurovision fans are like 0.1% of the total viewers in the final and have little impact on the outcome. maybe sweden’s songs haven’t been good enough to win lately ? they still placed top 10 in the televoting seven out of nine years this decade.
Nah, I’m not joking. How many viewers do you think actually vote? Most casual viewers do not vote at all. The contest in unusual in that you can not even vote for the act you actually want to win – your own country. Even if regular viewers do vote, they vote once or maybe twice. They don’t spam the lines with 20 votes like the diehards.
The jury vote is the most corrupt and political. Having only 5 members get 50% of the say/vote is not right. Too much power in the hands of so few leads to corruption.
Jury vote should go down to 25 or 20% of they need to more than double the number of jury members.
When they go opposite of the people’s vote they are not properly representing the country.
They’re not supposed to represent the viewers at home – that’s what the televote is for. They’re there to reward quality based on their own opinions.
They’re bound to send the usual safe crap entry. No quality there.
In my opinion, ‘Too Late For Late’ wasn’t a quality entry. It should have stayed in the semifinal. Romania, Austria, Croatia & Lithuania all had better songs. It’s not a fact that Sweden brings quality entries every year. It’s not granted Sweden will bring a quality entry next year.
I felt this should be stated.
In other words, if they reveal the televote scores the same way, and Sweden is #1 after the jury roll-call, you can pretty much call it a wrap for whoever leads in total points once the next-to-last country gets its televote score; yes?
I was thinking the same thing, after Tamara got her televote score, leaving only John to get his. I knew he’d get more than Benjamin Ingrosso (21) the year before, but I didn’t think he’d get 254 (before the scores were recalculated) to beat Duncan by 1.
Exactly CookyMonzta. Even Graham Norton has cottoned on to this now.
OK.
So all countries except for two (Czechia and Denmark) were somewhat affected by the blunder? Mistake? I don’t know what to call it.
I am waiting for an official statement on POLAND.
I wonder what EBU is going to do to make it up to Poland – if they can do anything. Poland didn’t go to the final when they should have. That’s a rather uncomfortable situation.
They’ll award Poland with a pimp slot in the running order next year.
Eric are you even Swedish? Are you here to bring on more anti-Swedish propaganda?
I don’t think he’s a vey good ambassador for your country. But he does get a lot of attention.
Lisa I don’t think he even speaks Swedish
f. the televote, f. Belarus jury. Sweden is the real winner !
pathetic swedish trolls getting together
Jesnne they are not Swedes why do you think so?. They are trolls trying to creste more anti-Swedish feelings.
Couldn’t they have noticed during the show? They should’ve corrected them after Israel voted. This, the fake San Marino televote and inverse jury voting are ruining Eurovision.
EBU knew it from the beginning and they could have fixed it, but they wanted to keep the mystery and to favor Sweden, to seem it’s the juries’ darling. Well, middle fingers to Sweden and to the miserable juries and kudos to the televoters, who gave Sweden what it deserved: lesser points
Which nasty pedigree are you.
How did that favor sweden? It only embarrassed John
Are you dumb or are you dumb? They didn’t know about the blunder until a couple of days later and with the new system intact it only makes sense to make sweden get some more exposure due to the fact that that could’ve been a winning moment
As new to Eurovision as I am I would have thought that the results would have been tabulated by a computer . Is there a poor soul sitting in a room with a pocket protector and an espresso coffee and a calculator trying to add things up in a short period of time .Sounds a bit odd to me this human error business. How do we know that these are the true results and not results made up because that’s how it looks to everyone. It was an incredibly sloppy way of doing things . How do we know that… Read more »
These are actually not, in fact, the “true” results. They are computer generated. They are as fake as the ones read out on Saturday night. This is not a secret, or a conspiracy theory – the real ones are the ones the jury would have given, but we’ll never know what they would have been.
It took us name change to finish seventh in Eurovision. I guess it’ll take cantonization or federalization of Macedonia to win Eurovision. Meh.
This year you had a great song, accompanied by an amazing vocal and even staging was good. North Macedonia is my biggest grower since the show. You deserved jury win and every accolade you got.
If she had performed for Macedonia and not for some Northern state, we would have won. Like this all the credit for her amazing vocals goes north, maybe to Iceland, which is the first northern country that crops up to my mind. You see we are in the south of Europe, and as one of the states with the largest number of sunny days in the year, we have the sun on our flag, which is also the symbol of Macedonia. So If Eurovision hadn’t failed in geography by misplacing a southern country in the north, then it’s CONGRATULATIONS ICELAND… Read more »
The symbol of Macedonia (Greece) is the Vergina Star. What you have on your flag is something else. Just a kind little correction.
You must be blind. because the sun is shining bright on our flag.
BTW. The owl is your symbol.
i have some news for you: you had a referendum in your country, and your parliament also decided to change the name of the country. Go cry
The majority of the people boycotted the referendum. It was forced through. The people did not want the name change and the Prespa agreement.
North Macedonia has a puppet government of traitors. It takes orders from the U.S. which has been meddling very hard in Macedonia for years.
thats your opinion. you should respect democrasy and diplomacy and accept the small change in your name. Greeks did it and it was more difficult for them.
The majority of Greek people don’t want the Prespa Agreement either. There was no referendum for them to vote although millions around the world protested. This agreement is doomed to fail from the beginning. Because nobody really wants it.
Good point, at least when it comes to Macedonia and Greece, but there’s one who wants it USA, NATO. 😉
@ Martina Yep! This is how Eurovision works. Per year only 3 or 4 countries are in the running for the victory. The others, it doesn’t matter if they have great songs or not, they won’t win. Why do you think Sweden ends in the TOP5 every year? Is it because of the ‘quality’ of their songs? No, some of the Swedish songs are really lousy. But Sweden can afford to host the contest and is willing to host it more often than other well-off countries. So that’s why Sweden needs to be around the TOP every year in case… Read more »
And then you have the betting odds going ‘the favorite, the favorite’ and things are leaning towards the direction you have described.
If it’s three or four countries in the running every year, how do you explain Portugal 2017, when a country that has never won in 60 years wins? Or The Netherlands winning after a 44 year gap? Or Austria 2014, first win since 1966 or Finland 2006: first and only win? Just because Sweden ends up in the top 5 doesn’t mean that the winner’s spot isn’t open to a newcomer…..
Perhaps Madonna should now call herself North Madonna
Maybe Maceddona, no North though.
Wow! That’s what you call a fiasco. So, the last (and most important) 45 minutes of this year’s broadcast are a huge mistake and its footage now irrelevant. Sweden was not supposed to be called a jury winner, no interview to Jon should have been made, an interview to Tamara should have taken place instead, Sweden’s public vote should not have been announced last, that last split-screen should have been between Duncan and Tamara. So embarrassing..
Remember that moment when the Belarusian jury announced: Israel 12 points. And then Assi Azar reacted: what a great way to start getting points. Do you remember? That moment never happened. Erase it from your head!
What’s the whole point of always showing Jon Ola Sand verifying the results if they apparently didn’t even bother looking at them?
😀
Ola Sands and maths : Israel has received 0 points from Russia, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan but it’s normal that after making an aggregated combined result from these countries Israel comes 1st LOL.
Who knows what has really happened?
euro_bruno did a pretty good job. Someone read a list in the wrong direction
Seriously this years voting is a joke….
How this can be called a serious contest…
I think this deserves an official apology to North Macedonia for missing the spotlight as the jury winner! True, Norway also missed the spotlight of being recognized as televoting winner, but at least that was “according to the rules” – and in case of North Macedonia a completely wrong country was recognized as jury winner and got the spotlight. In the next year’s edition this should be corrected somehow – the injustice done towards North Macedonia should be at least mentioned. Furthermore, I see no reason why the viewers shouldn’t see briefly at least the top 5 of both jury… Read more »
Macedonia only, thank you.
Sorry, we are North Macedonia now. Maybe we are not living in the same country. Get over it you political puppet.
Hehehe, you must be a wannabe Macedonian Greek. No Macedonian would say what you said. 😉
I suggest Keiino opening semi 1, Tamara opening semi 2 and Duncan opening the finals in 2020. Tulia should be invited as an interval act. Their statuses as last year’s televote winner, jury winner and qualifier should be publically addressed by the broadcaster.
Why? It wasn’t the Dutch broadcaster who made a mess of things.
It was the EBU’s mess, however. They could have let NPO broadcast but Eurovision will still be EBU’s franchise and they should still be responsible over these mishaps.
And EBU take over the decision over the opening and interval acts? No way. The Netherlands won according to the rules of the contest, everyone agreed about those rules before participating. I am not against Keiino or Tamara having a role in the 2020 edition, but only if the Dutch broadcaster makes that decision.
Sweden ESC songs are like IKEA furniture.
Good, decent, you know what you get, but never extraordinary or outstanding.
I wouldn’t say good neither decent.
…and put together using an instruction manual.
And once deassembled it can never work again
No they’re not, they are spot on
Is this all that you can say?… Poor soul
I sincerely apologise on the behalf of he who I share my name with. I thought this joke was funny.
Love to you all
Erik
Sweden ESC songs are like IKEA furniture.
Good, decent, you know what you get, but never extraordinary or outstanding.
North won, Macedonia didn’t participate.
nana banana, messi babasi
Good to know, a mediterranian citizen!
justice for Tamara of Macedonia’s
Justice for Macedonia!
It’s North Macedonia, ok? Let’s not stir things up now….
Nope, it’s Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia.
You really ought to research this topic deeper. The name has now changed.
Macedonia is a region in Greece. Kindly do not provoke in this Forum.
The word Republic differentiates our state from your region.
The word ‘North’ differentiates it sweetie.
Nope, incompatible with a southern country.
hey psycho, i know reality sucks but you are officially the republic of north macedonia. Trying to convince us that you are called something else just makes you more pathetic.
Nope, we are not. What is illegal is not official. THE MACEDONIANS BOYCOTTED THE NAME CHANGE REFERENDUM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW MERCENARY NORTHERNERS WHO HAVE BEEN TROLLING NOW THE POST HERE, BUT THEY ARE PAID. THE MACEDONIAN PEOPLE IS NOT PAID A ND SAYS REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA, NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
your constitution refers to severna macedonia. just accept reality and stop provoking.
There was a criminal attempt to change the Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia by means of bribery, coercion, blackmail, even by releasing from prison MPs on the day of voting in order to vote for constitutional changes. All that is neatly recorded and soon when we remove from power the junta that has currently been ruling Macedonia, we will declare void all the criminal agreements.
Ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
I carried it, carried it,caried it home
Please, carry me, carry me, carry me home
Oh-oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh-oh
All I know, all I know
Hahahaha who vote for this??? And this is better then Italy? No way
Not sure what your point is! NL scored higher than Italy in both the jury and televote.
Marco, Arcade is a beautiful song and nobody says it didn’t deserve, but I think that if Mahmood had done a complete performance in a semi final, things would, maybe, have gone in a different way.
And also you can’t deny the blogs, press and the houses of bets showed Arcade as the almost announced winner, when instead the distance with Italy was finally very close… all these stuffs were very annoying.
Both Arcade and Soldi are wonderful songs with completely different style, so for a lot of us , who prefer Soldi, Mahmood is our winner.
Calling a song the favorite would make people believe that it is indeed. It gets repeated so many times and those who are undecided would probably end up voting for it. That’s why I never care for betting odds and concentrate on the song I do like.
That’s how it happens with elections or a best selling product etc.
How is that different from
come va, come va, come va,
adesso come va, come va
soldi, soldi, clap, clap, soldi, soldi, clap clap 🙂
Soldi has deep meaning and it is modern song, Arcade is just ooh-ooh ooh-ooh boring Ikea song
Soldi has deep meaning???? HAHAHAHA lmao…. The best won this year and you can’t change anything about it my dear. Try again next year I would say 🙂
ABBA is only good music from North countries. Where are North countries in Europe music scene? All European like Spain,France,Greek,British music….but who like this Scandinavien music? Why are you always in the top 10 on ESC? Because you vote for each other. All the good music nations are on the last places on ESC
Moldova & Romania, Cyprus & Greece, Serbia & Montenegro, Russia & Azerbaijan. It happens everywhere. Also, Scandinavia only consists of 3 countries so it doesn’t really make a difference. They’re not like Russia who will get points by almost all of the ex-Soviet countries just because it’s Russia.
dude nordic countries are always voting for each other…Iceland, Denmark Norway Sweden and Finland…its embarrassing…
I don’t understand why so many points move someone can explain to me?
Fake votes like always
Belarus votes were based on a measure of juries from vontries that usually votes similar to them. This was because their real juries was speaking in public about the songs they like before their votes should have been revealed. When EBU calculated their jury points they did so from the wrong end.. The least favorite, Israel, got 12 points etc. This made belarus jury vote for all contries in the right half. But that was all wrong. So the bottom countries get really affected by this, because they have low scones in total and were close to one other in… Read more »
Juries please, stop babying Sweden! They do send good entries, on an average (Dance you off was pretty lame), but they don’t deserve that much attention.
Anyway…
My cousin, another big ESC fan, says that he thinks that they would keep the voting system for at least another year, but if there’s another fallout, like this year or 2016, they’ll change it again. What do you think?
A matter of taste – I liked the Russian scream fest, and I’m generally not a fan of Russian ESC entries (nor do I support block voting, I always vote outside my “block”).
No you don’t.
Why don’t you shut up, Davve… It’s not by multiplying yourself that you’ll defend better your country. Can you not get enough from the fact that Sweden was lucky enough to come 5th, for the song it was?…
Pathetic
all of this goes in favor of sweden – they resulted as the jury winners on the show, and they climbed into the top five in the official results. this is clownery y’all
a jury-inflated success lately, italy can’t relate
a powerhouse that won in 2015 thanks to juries while it came third on the televote. Tell us more felicia
And let’s not remember how Carola won back in 1991. Which will always stay a red stain in snow-white pure as f*ck Sweden ESC history.
Carola won accordingly with the rules. Both Sweden and France had the same amount of points and the same number of twelves, but Sweden had the most ten points.
So sweden won all accordingly with the rules. The rule system was like this because they didn’t want to repeat what happened in 1969 with four winners. Using the old rules Sweden and France would have shared the victory.
Well, there was one good thing that Sweden “won” the jury voting. His reaction on getting 93 points 😀
he laughed when macedonia got 58 points, he THOUGHT he could win… and then… a clown !
Okay so I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. He’s a big headed bastard.
what else do u expect from someone who thinks there’s nothing wrong in white ppl using the N-word ?
can u stop trolling lmfao u ain’t even swedish
He was getting so cocky for that win, I’m so glad the public disagreed, just for his reaction alone.
Also Belarus got more votes.
Sigh….. nostalgic of the days that ESC was just a Western European event! Bloc or diaspora voting simply didn’t exist back then. Songs won, not countries!
The decision to let Eastern European countries join ESC around the turn of the millennium has made everything so unnecessarily political. The result is that we get caught up in endless and pointless discussions like these every single year.
The reason why ESC used to be only one half of Europe is because the other half was behind the Iron curtain, suffering under communism. That’s nothing to be nostalgic about. And block voting did exist – the Nordic countries voted for each other to a greater extent then than they do now, and, Cyprus and Greece exchanged 12 points just like they do now.
Greece and Cyprus are by no means western! They are eastern orthodox, and Greece is a balkan country.
Greece has been a NATO member since 1952 and an EU (former EEC) member since 1981 (that’s earlier than Spain, Portugal or Sweden). Albeit its geographical position, it has a political history of decades-long democratic governance (and no communist past), a long tradition of parliamentarism and of constitutionally protected civil liberties and human rights: all the above classify it socio-politically in the western world. Geographically it can be said that it belongs to Southern or South-eastern Europe. The term “balkan” is mostly reserved for its northern regions. Calling Greece an eastern european country (a term used for post-communist countries) is… Read more »
Yes, western is a constructed word used to describe “developed” contries. The origin was do distinguish this group of contries from two other groups, the communist states and the “third world”. The world is not like this at all today. Most contries are not in extreme poverty but in average wealth. Even in Europe the terms use is to speak of good and bad. Being part of “western” Europe is associated with a developed country, good economy, good values, whatever you put into that. The terms are all putting yourself in the good perspective and the others are lesser valued.… Read more »
What you are talking about ???!!! Greek and other Balkan countries are the cradle of culture. Learn a little history. During that time you were still wild and uncultured in the North. We must be proud to born in Balcan. All this gay sado mazo pedophilia and other bad things come from North
Any point you might have (and I think you did) was lost by your last sentence. Gay sado mazo pedophilia are all the same to you? And of course Ancient Greece did not have a socially sanctioned form of pedophilia. Nor any gays. To this day the whole balkans are a gay-free area and hence feel the need to be more homophobic than the North of Europe? Hell I’m not even from either bloc of countries and as far as the ESC voting goes both Nordic and Balkan countries are guilty of bloc voting every year. Leaving countries like mine… Read more »
I just told you Pitagora, Aristotel , Tesla…this is your bad Balkan? And no we not vote for each other like North countries, thats lie. Only Cyprus-Greek, the other not in good relationship in voting. Try to find me proof if I lie.
Hope you’re just joking…
I feel your frustration French guy, but I don’t think this discussion is pointless. If the problem hadn’t been identified on sites like this one, the “human error” might never have been rectified. Also if the same countries always only voted for the same countries, then we wouldn’t have had 18 different ones winning in the last 20 years.
the televote top 3 this year is entirely western countries, try again french guy !
>Scandinavian countries giving points to each other every year
>”block or diaspora voting simply didn’t exist”
Hahaha, that was a good joke.
Besides, you know that many “diaspora points” come surely from your country? 😉 Think about all the turkish votes for San Marino ^^
One hidden victim of this “human error” is Michela Pace, was was denied her single “12 points” announcement. That on top of being kept until last before she knew she made the final, and also being put on screen to react to her moderate televote score. The EBU, you owe her one.
Omg she did miss her 12 points moment! That’s upsetting
And North Macedonia missed being confirmed a jury winner! That’s even more upsetting!
And instead the host country received the “12 points”. What a pure human error and coincidence.
it was perhaps because Belarus would sue ebu because Belarus did not give Russia any jury points that made them change the result.
what do you think?
Sweden is always saved by the juries and once again the public were much more apathetic towards it. The juries were far too harsh on Norway. It was an upbeat song with a touch of ethnic cheese. I much preferred this to Swedens entry which seemed to be too bland and soulless. Just a further point how come this song fared so much better than the UK entry yet it was written by the same person and wasn’t that much better in quality.
Soulless and clueless. The singing during the interviews were ridiculous.
I’m sure that if John sang “Bigger than us” and Micheal “Too late for love” the results would still be the same.
I beg to differ. Before Eurovision You Decide, Micheal wasn’t a fan-favourite, but he won over people’s hearts with his voice and live performance. John won only because this year Mello was really poor quality-wise.
Is this seriously your counter-argument? You really have no other proof to back your standpoint? Don’t wonder why people hate so much Sweden at Eurovision if their fans can’t even hold a productive conversation. My meds are called “objectivity”.
Funny how you say Mello was poor THIS year, when many people (me included) says this year was an improvement from last year. I agree on Joik deserving it’s place in music. But I don’t agree on the quality of Norway’s song. Sweden was never my top entry, perhaps top ten or something. But Norway’s song did not speak to me. But obviously it spoke to most of the televotes.
I didn’t watch last year’s Mello, so I don’t know whether this year was better or not. But I agree about Norway. Personally it wasn’t the best song of the night, but that’s only my opinion.
“the jury groups diminishes the block voting”
Then the EBU should ban you f. country that blockvotes every yeah. You must like the idea.
From your country – certainly there is.
From which part of Sweden you come from?
Hack he is not Swedish he must be some kind of troll.
I am happy for North Macedonia, but sad because Italy didnt win (but winner in Croatia from jury and public). I hope my country Croatia will compete next year, but there are small chances for that, we dont have enough money to competition with other contries,because now importants are parties before,presentation,video….everything more important then music
Macedonia only, thank you.
Macedonia was really great
Are you an idiot? The country is called north Macedonia
While it was that FYROM thing I always called it Macedonia, I’ll still call it that. Let’s see how long this “North” nomenclature keeps the Greeks happy for that alone will determine how long it lasts which is betond belief but as understandable as anything else in Greek.. Balkan.. OK in politics imbued with this degree of paranoia.
The name has now changed erga omnes. There is no country anywhere in the world called ‘Macedonia’. FYROM tried to join the EU and the UN using the name ‘Macedonia’ and they were rejected a few times. They were not allowed to use the name since Macedonia is a region in Greece (and part of its culture and history for thousands of years).
I have followed this topic for a few months now and learned a lot about it….I thought I’d let you know.
Except for there WAS a country named Macedonia that is now known as North Macedonia.
Dear Jill,
apart from an ignorant f*ing a-hole please try to follow the news. I just stated facts. The country agreed and signed to be called North macedonia.
So Italy were only 26 points behind, not 27. Give it a few more weeks, Mahmood. You’ll win it.
Fatima, Italys time will come, You have good songs most years in my opinion. 2016 Italy was my favourite and second this year. You can be so proud. I think Italy had the most modern song this year. You might be upset now but a wish Italy got the best coreografs and coaches in Europe. Don’t be to proud. You have fantastic songs that Europe love when we stream them and watch the video on YouTube. But when it comes to live performance it isn’t on the same high level. Hope we in Sweden could find a song as good… Read more »
WtfI?! Italy performance was atractive, Netherland was boring and win?! Why?! If only song is important Italy must win!
Yes Fatima but it was sufficient, imo, that Mahmood could do the complete performance in the semifinal, instead of the brief clip recorded: he was damaged by the rule that the big 5 go directly in the final. And while Mahmood was in Italy doing his tour the majority of the blogs, press and the betting houses were excessively “promoting” Arcade and without that I’m sure Italy would have won; just 26 points of difference while the odds had put for Arcade the 50% of probability of winning the contest! There is something wrong in this: Duncan was the winner… Read more »
Duncan win only because people dont want to lose money which they put on betting, betting make favourites and decide who will win.
I agree with you Korin, the press the blogs and the houses of bets put Arcade as the announced and sure winner and that was very annoying because Soldi was at least at the same level; it is logical people who bet for Arcade following this prediction, would then vote for him independently from the performance of him or of Italy…
Well Karin and Anna. I am from Sweden. Sweden was between two and four in odds last weak – and off course I want Sweden to win! But I voted on Arcade because it was the best song in my opinion. Better than Sweden and Italy was my Nr two.
I know mistakes happen, but Norway and North Macedonia were really damaged by what happened. Keiino didn’t get an equal opportunity as every other performer during the jury night and Tamara was robbed of the spotlight she rightfully deserved.
If the news about Czech juror is ever confirmed, Tulia should be rightfully pissed.
I hope this matter is resolved, one way or another, as Polish fans deserve the truth.
Why people from other parts of Europe dont like Slavic people? And why always North countries are in top 10 when Slavic and Mediterrian countries has better music? If this will continue only North countries will participate on ESC.
Yesss!
Your comment is telling me that my opinion is really true. So sad because of that. Mediterranean and Slavic countries only has good music
LOL!!! I was empathically agreeing with you.
Only good from this Scandinavian countries is Sweden ( because of ABBA and Loreen ), the other have awful songs but always are in top 10
I don’t think ABBA has participated the last couple of years… ?
No, but ABBA is only good music from North countries. Where are North countries in Europe music scene? All European like Spain,France,Greek,British music….but who like this Scandinavien music? Why are you always in the top 10 on ESC? Because you vote for each other. All the good music nations are on the last places on ESC
No, nor were they so superb at ESC, before and after (particularly after) they had much better songs than Waterloo. Loreen is the only Swedish winner which had a great song and performed it superbly. Even then there are some pretty weird lyrics in Euphoria that make little sense in English but I guess Sweden has given up on ever singing in Swedish again (despite having won with songs in Swedish in the past).
Come on! The boring and amateurish kindergarten from Denmark above the bangers of Cyprus, Malta or even Belarus??? Everybody will remember Replay and Chameleon!
Actually… I think Cyprus and Malta kind of sound like the harmless safe kind of thing Sweden produces/”composes”… Much better than Sweden’s own entry? Yes. Same boring production? Obviously.
1. Why don’t people from other parts of Europe like Slavic people? 2. Slavic and mediterran countries has better music. Well, who has said either of your statements are true? Although I like many of the victories in the 2010’s, I also like the victories in the 2000’s. Turkeys first victory. Really wanted both Ruslana and Elena Paparizou to win and they did. I was not even a teenager at this time and was perhaps not mature enough for “Molitva”. But I’d say it’s completely fair for countries across Europe to win that has not won yet. And I think… Read more »
Listen, mistakes can happen and the fact that the EBU has admitted their mistakes and has corrected it now is adamant to the EBU’s integrity. Secondly, that jury votes are disregarded is the fault of the Belarusian Jury and very unfortunate. To all people complaining about the aggregate vote system, I would like to ask what they would suggest would be a fair way to obtain or construct the jury voting in an alternative method. However, having said that, it is very suspicious that this was not picked up during the contest, in particular as the show would have shown… Read more »
I think your “suspicious” point is the main one. It’s very odd that an error with an EBU-generated ranking was not spotted before it was too late. This, and the prolonged false pretence that Sweden could get 253 televote points rather spoiled the contest for me. So it should have been Tamara Todevska in the final split screen with Duncan Lawrence, with Erez saying “If North Macedonia can get 252 points …”
….it will be a mathematical impossibility!
I don’t understand the need to have an aggregate fake vote for Belarus. The Belarusian jury was disqualified? Then, let’s have 40 jury votes & 41 televoting results.
It happened before something similar, In 2015.
https://wiwibloggs.com/2015/05/24/voting-scandal-jury-votes-for-fyr-macedonia-and-montenegro-excluded/